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Jimmy McNulty · Senior Member

MASTER KEY

funnymoney · Member

IF THIS IS EVEN CLOSE TO ACCURATE I WOULD BE HAPPY

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

Same here, I would have 18-22 wrong, depending on which way the double answers go. I also get 2.5 points for seniority/medals, so I would be in it and have at least a shot at getting promoted maybe...

So assuming I make the list and you know what they say about people who ASSUME, I am looking at a 80.5 to a 84.5 based on this very early and possibly innacurrate "master key". Who knows, I still think I may have failed, so lets see more people who really studied either post or PM the poster comprising these answer keys to get a better idea.

-- Edited by PatrolGuideismyBible on Monday 31st of October 2011 01:26:50 PM

NextLtTest · Senior Member

Failed! LOL
68! Or............. If those double answers are correct 72! 5 pts seniority 2.5 veterans........ 79.5!!!!!! LOL!!!!!! I cannot wait to see this list.

-- Edited by NextLtTest on Monday 31st of October 2011 12:01:53 PM

Bmoc09 · Senior Member

If this key is anywhere near accurate then I failed with a 60. Damn

bha78 · Senior Member

If this key is accurate then I will get an 82. Couple of points for seniority and medals, this may not be so bad. Hopefully there are a few throwouts too.

bigkay1016 · Newbie

Ok this might be a stupid question but did some of the scantrons go across??

LateRiser · Senior Member

yes they had diff ones dont know which way they went

NYG37 · Senior Member

I'm screwed

I'm getting according to this 67 with one answer left that can go either way.

unborn · Guru

My personal opinion - the in-basket and most of the answers from 70+ will match up with the final answer key.

The PG questions were so tricky and open to interpretation that it could be 10 points either way.

-- Edited by unborn on Monday 31st of October 2011 12:55:30 PM

E D · Senior Member

74, we'll see......

NYG37 · Senior Member

was typing on the phone. Unborn what are you getting according to this posted list?

-- Edited by NYG37 on Monday 31st of October 2011 02:39:13 PM

unborn · Guru

NYG37 wrote:
Unborn what are you getting acting to thus? P
g questions could go either way.

-- Edited by NYG37 on Monday 31st of October 2011 01:05:26 PM

if dcas read this message, they would deduct 15 points from your score.

Phil Atio · Senior Member

if #90 is wrong then the whole answer key is garbage

Gamblor · Senior Member

This key gives me a 72 if I lose on all of the double answers. A 76 if I get them. Add a few points for seniority and I would finish a little over 78. Sounds like a list number of under 100 with this test. :)

LateRiser · Senior Member

Q 100 its either A or C. any1 remembers the Q?

unborn · Guru

26 - this was definitely not C (the nursing home question)
52 - tattoo/hair clip question - very debatable A vs B
90 - definitely B

MN50 · Senior Member

This is going to be a long five weeks

NYG37 · Senior Member

-- Edited by NYG37 on Monday 31st of October 2011 03:05:46 PM

NYPD231 · Senior Member

21 wrong. Hopefully this is close!!!

Tommy Salami · Senior Member

21 wrong for me as well

RICH-PD · Senior Member

I got B for 21... Who the hell knows

Phil Atio · Senior Member

was the hair clip question asking which was good or which was bad?

one was brown hair clip on a brunette
one was tatoos with a note from co in personnel folder
one was short sleeve shirt with open button and trousers with 1 1/4" braid
and one other choice i cant remember right now

RICH-PD · Senior Member

It was which of the following officers do you NOT have to reprimand... Which means who is okay

fodx · Guru

I match 69 answers with this key. I didnt even think I got THAT many right. I guess there's hope afterall.

RumorMill · Veteran Member

I need five thrown out. Hope I can pull this off.

Tommy Salami · Senior Member

sorry rumormill, you got the uniform question wrong

18and1 · Senior Member

I think the uniform question was asking which was bad. I can't remember the 4th answer but I'm pretty sure it was within proper uniform guidelines.

RICH-PD · Senior Member

Nope it said which of the following officers do you not have to reprimand....
A) hired in 2010 with a note from his CO and he states it's in his folder because of his assignment
B) female officer with a brown plastic hair clip securing her hair. She is a brunette
C) the cop with the braid size thing
D) something obvious

NYPD231 · Senior Member

RICH-PD wrote:
Nope it said which of the following officers do you not have to reprimand....
A) hired in 2010 with a note from his CO and he states it's in his folder because of his assignment
B) female officer with a brown plastic hair clip securing her hair. She is a brunette
C) the cop with the braid size thing
D) something obvious

I think the last one had to do with a necklace being visible in uniform.

RICH-PD · Senior Member

Yeah that's it obviously out of uniform with visible jewelry ... Only okay cop was tattoos choice A.

-- Edited by RICH-PD on Monday 31st of October 2011 04:46:04 PM

Tommy Salami · Senior Member

Rich, I know I said this before but I'll say it again. Regarding the uniform question, the only cop who does not require a reprimand is the female cop with a brown clip in her hair. Totally acceptable in PG world.

Remember the fact pattern stated the cops were going to a uniformed detail. PG says a "limited exception" may be granted by the member's CO, due to the NATURE OF THE MEMBERS ASSIGNMENT. Think about it. You don't want a cop or detective, acting in the capacity of a UC or a ghost, covering their tattoos with an ace bandage, it will blow their cover.

Since the fact pattern states all the cops are in uniform going to a uniformed detail, the "limited exception" does not apply here, at all.

RICH-PD · Senior Member

So by that argument your saying that any cop that has a goatee but is in uniform is wrong if he had permission and a note from his CO that it directly says will be carried on he member whenever he is in uniform then...and u are wrong ... PG says for him to carry goatee letter in his pocket from his CO because of his assignment ...how is he engaging in these assignments if we go by what ur saying?

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

unborn wrote:
26 - this was definitely not C (the nursing home question)
52 - tattoo/hair clip question - very debatable A vs B
90 - definitely B

What was 90?

If 26 was the nursing home choker, it was do an aided card.

The tatoo or hair clip question could go either way, but I think the female is most correct since they mentioned that your CO told you to inspect them and report back to him, if the cop was claiming he had an exception wouldn't you have to report him as out of uniform ro ask the CO about it. So the only cop you would not have to report to the CO was the brunette female with brown hair clip. They asked who you would not have to report to the CO as being out of uniform. The female was def not out of uniform by any interpretation. Maybe I read too much into it?

RISING IDIOT · Senior Member

PatrolGuideismyBible wrote:
unborn wrote:
26 - this was definitely not C (the nursing home question)
52 - tattoo/hair clip question - very debatable A vs B
90 - definitely B
What was 90?
If 26 was the nursing home choker, it was do an aided card.
The tatoo or hair clip question could go either way, but I think the female is most correct since they mentioned that your CO told you to inspect them and report back to him, if the cop was claiming he had an exception wouldn't you have to report him as out of uniform ro ask the CO about it. So the only cop you would not have to report to the CO was the brunette female with brown hair clip. They asked who you would not have to report to the CO as being out of uniform. The female was def not out of uniform by any interpretation. Maybe I read too much into it?

It was not do an aided card because it said "do an aided and give it to the d.o." I believe 216-01 says cop submits the aided card to the command clerk

wereinbacklog · Guru

PatrolGuideismyBible wrote:
unborn wrote:
26 - this was definitely not C (the nursing home question)
52 - tattoo/hair clip question - very debatable A vs B
90 - definitely B
What was 90?
If 26 was the nursing home choker, it was do an aided card.
The tatoo or hair clip question could go either way, but I think the female is most correct since they mentioned that your CO told you to inspect them and report back to him, if the cop was claiming he had an exception wouldn't you have to report him as out of uniform ro ask the CO about it. So the only cop you would not have to report to the CO was the brunette female with brown hair clip. They asked who you would not have to report to the CO as being out of uniform. The female was def not out of uniform by any interpretation. Maybe I read too much into it?

That aided card answer choice depends on whether it stated to notify D/O or give it to D/O. I believe it said give to D/O that's why I chose Activily log entry with ACR #.

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

I could be wrong, but I don't remember the DO being mentioned with the Aided Card? I just remember them telling you to do an Aided Card?

RISING IDIOT · Senior Member

Yeah it said give it to the d.o. which is why i picked a/l with acr#...which i didn't like either

Tommy Salami · Senior Member

RICH-PD wrote:
So by that argument your saying that any cop that has a goatee but is in uniform is wrong if he had permission and a note from his CO that it directly says will be carried on he member whenever he is in uniform then...and u are wrong ... PG says for him to carry goatee letter in his pocket from his CO because of his assignment ...how is he engaging in these assignments if we go by what ur saying?

Rich,

I understand your point. But think, a goatee is different than a coy fish that covers a cop's forearm. It's apples and oranges. Both of these exceptions are based on the member's permanent assignment, but for completely different reasons.

You aren't going to make a squad detective shave off his goatee for an 8 hour parade detail. But you would make a narco guy cover his tats in the same situation, since he is not engaging in plainclothes enforcement.

Moreover, how would you cover a goatee? A ski mask?

The goatee exception explicity states that when the cop is IN UNIFORM, he must carry the letter on his/her person. Whereas, the tattoo exception states that the cop's letter will be filed in his personnel folder, due to the nature of the member's assignment. Think about how that applies.

NYG37 · Senior Member

A was the correct choice. Was that question number 26 for sure?

-- Edited by NYG37 on Monday 31st of October 2011 05:27:41 PM

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

RISING IDIOT wrote:
Yeah it said give it to the d.o. which is why i picked a/l with acr#...which i didn't like either

Well then I might have gotten that one wrong, talk about more petty nonsense...

RICH-PD · Senior Member

You can shave a goatee it will grow back in a week... It's not a medical condition, shave it off for this detail

nycop80 · Guru

if this is correct i got 22 wrong plus the 3 double answers.

RISING IDIOT · Senior Member

what was question 100. i got (a)

big guy · Senior Member

What is the accuracy of this key though?? Who are the people that submitted the keys hardcore studiers or what?? Cant rely on this too much anyway due to so many questions dont have solid right or wrong answers...

Mes018 · Senior Member

203-07: NOTE: Members of the service who are hired on or after January 1, 2007, must cover any visible tattoos by either regulation uniform, proper business attire, or a neutral colored skin covering such a sports wrap or bandage. Such covering must resemble the skin tone of the member and must cover the entire tattoo. This includes but is not limited to any tattoo visible above the shirt collar, below the sleeve ends of any shirt, or on a visible area of the leg, ankle or foot. A limited exception may be granted by the member's commanding officer in writing due to the nature of the member's assignment. Such approval must be filed in the member's personnel folder.

Hired on or after 1/1/2007 then tattoos must be covered by uniform, business attire or bandage. I went with the tattoo guy as the only one not needing to be reported to the c.o. There is no mention of needing the note in your possession just because you are in uniform for a detail. Although I can also see the argument that brown is similar to a brunettes natural hair color.

stiggityone · Guru

22 wrong out of the 96 posted. 2.4 seniority, 2.0 fit incentive, .6 in medals......83 if i get the 50/50's, 79 if i don't...more than happy with that. If you told me I got a 79 final score a week ago I would've been ready to jump out of a window, now i'm ecstatic. What a difference a week makes.

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

We need more answer keys though, 12 is not a good sample. I am one of the 12 answer keys and I can tell you right now by discussing some of the questions on here I now know I dropped a lot of petty questions. I got the aided wrong bc you don't give it to the DO, so AL entry has to be right. I got the druggie cop wrong, I got the ECB return date wrong, I got the suspended visit wrong, I got the pregnant female question wrong, I got the graffiti question wrong, there are a lot of others I am still not sure about even after looking them up!!!

So I got between 18-22 wrong depending on double answers, but is my key worthy of being one of the 12? I will say I did take two classes and studied for 6 months, but I am very uncertain on a lot of questions since I am still not sure what they were asking in a lot of them. Lets get answer key of 50-100 people that actually studied. More studiers have to post their keys or I guess inbox it to which ever poster is making the "master key". I think it was Jimmy McNulty, but who know if he or anyone else for that matter even wants to bother combining more keys, it is a lot of work...

RumorMill · Veteran Member

thought I put the girl with the clip in her hair was OK. Which # was that?

RumorMill · Veteran Member

The clip matched her hair color. Right out of the P.G.