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I am kicking myself right now. Rising Star week 9, the math, grammar, and leadership guide. They went over "Supervison of Police Personnel" by Iannone and Bernstein...I've scanned the following from their intro. If I could go back 2 weeks....
The subject of leadership has been an increasingly discussed topic over the years in organizations. Many years ago, promotional exam writers utilized leadership concepts to test promotional candidates ability to understand basic supervisory roles in the police department. On recent examinations, several questions have again surfaced that did not specifically relate to any particular patrol guide procedure however, it asked the test taker to make a determination on a proper action for a supervisor to take when faced with some type of conflict where the best practices of leadership would determine the correct response. In this regard, the book "
Supervision of Police Personnel", written by N.F. Iannone, M.D. Iannone, and J. Bernstein (7th
ed., 2009), is considered by many to be the bible of police supervision. Rising Star has utilized the material in this book to develop the questions in this section and deliver the focal learning concepts.
-- Edited by jill72 on Sunday 30th of October 2011 02:15:01 PM
You've got it! That's why "A" is the correct choice. Just remember this for the exam and you will be OK.
With regard to your question about why we went "overboard" with Grammar, Math, and Police Supervison, we do feel that based on the past captain exam you might be seeing more subjective questions--questions that may even seem to contradict the patrol guide. In reality, though, these questions will be hard to protest because they come from a book entitled "Supervison of Police Personnel" by Iannone and Bernstein. Many departments use this book, and New York City is the only one that hasn't...until recently. It's a quick read, and I strongly recommend you get it (or at least go over the sections we've included in our material). Also, with grammar, you will see more grammar/reading comprehension questions on lieutenant and captain exams, this is the reason why we are also including more of it.
Good luck!
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-- Edited by jill72 on Sunday 30th of October 2011 02:28:28 PM
Jill, I agree. Rising Star nailed it, unlike the other schools. However, who could've imagined THAT MANY questions?
The Key had one or two of these fughazy questions mixed into their material, and also said the same thing as the Rising Star, that it's possible you'll see a question. But nobody expected this nonsense.
Did the other school's actually dedicate a section of their material to nothing but leadership/judgement like Rising Star did? It's one thing to "throw" a few questions into the mix, and another to actually go in depth on the subject and even recommend the book used on the subject - kudos to Rising Star.....too bad I glossed over that section though.....
Those questions were GROUND BALLS. Any idiot can memorize the patrol guide. In the past, promotional exams have included questions on the size of the "NYPD" letters on a bicycle and other trivial and useless facts from the patrol guide. These tests should be based more on leadership and management skills rather than nonsense procedures that, if you didn't know them at the time, could easily be looked up. Honestly, what lieutenant needs to know how big the decals on a bike are? The guy responsible for putting the decals on the bike probably doesn't even need to know that.
I have to agree.....the only PG procedures that should be tested are those that a supervisor would need to know immediately on the spot (i.e., turning off power in transit, hostage/barricaded, etc.). Other than that, you can always look up the procedure - so why test it? The leadership decision making ability is what is sorely lacking on this job and should be tested. I just don't understand what body of knowledge DCAS will point to in order to defend protests on these questions. Other schools: take the lead from Rising Star - they were slightly ahead of the curve on this test, and we all shoulda listened!
Yea, Rising Star was the closest to this exam. I was critical of Rising Star questions bc I thought they were too petty and went went the format "least correct" or "incorrect" too frequently, but on this test they did that a lot and were extremely petty. Also RS did have some notes on judgement too where other classes just told you to challenge those if they are not following PG rules.
This is very sad it really is. Of all the promotional exams to try a experimental exam on they choose to pick the one that is the most competetive, and the one that hasnt come around in the longest time. I wouldnt want to see what happened to us on any other canditate rank on this job but they had to choose this one? This was a experimental exam, there was noway anybody could see this coming. Only half of the questions were from patrol guide material. As a experimental exam, I truly hope that this list will never see the light of day.
Not to knock rising star, but the only reason they "nailed" it is because of their kitchen sink approach. The gave you everything they could throw at you, just to cover themselves. risings star also covered operations orders, the crime classification guide, they had a question for every single pg procedure and interim order, math, grammer, principles of supervsion, etc and tons of crap that wasnt even on the test.
Not to knock rising star, but the only reason they "nailed" it is because of their kitchen sink approach. The gave you everything they could throw at you, just to cover themselves. risings star also covered operations orders, the crime classification guide, they had a question for every single pg procedure and interim order, math, grammer, principles of supervsion, etc and tons of crap that wasnt even on the test.
I don't think that this is neccesarily a bad thing
a school should do more analysis. THe other schools actually tell you where exam writers have tested from in the past and the likelihood of a particular procedure appearing, something rising star did not do.
Again, I didn't take this exam, but I guess my criticism lies in these test schools treating promotitional exams like compstat.
If you didn't take this exam 43cpop, than you shouldn't be too critical of the schools or the students/test takers. This exam had only about 50-60 actual PG type questions and most of them where petty and cheap, a good number were also extremely vague and up for interpretation also.
The schools tell you "They will ask CCRB, moving complaint continous event, EEO, CED, dept vehicle accidents, Missings, go heavy on 202 Duties and Responsibilities since that is where many Lt specific duties are, have about 5 CIMS, etc." This test did have a few of those things, but not all of them. And instead of asking things pertinent to the procedures they asked things that either had a debatable gray area or wouldn't be done by a Lt at all.
There were quite a few straight PG questions that intentionally put conflicts in the PG in it, which I would have to imagine can be protested. Why would you write questions where there are conflicts in the book, do they like having their questions protested? Also the questions were very petty yet chock full og their own errors either in understanding the procedure or even typos!
Really the people who wrote this have no business writing exams for anything and I have to wonder if they are even knowledgeable supervisors bc it seems like they didn't even understand what they were writing?
Yeah guys, in all fairness the schools never could have seen this one coming. If rising star mentioned it, good for them. I don't know how they figured some $100 subjective book written in the 70's would have been on the test. The key and fast track are just as pissed as we are
a school should do more analysis. THe other schools actually tell you where exam writers have tested from in the past and the likelihood of a particular procedure appearing, something rising star did not do.
Again, I didn't take this exam, but I guess my criticism lies in these test schools treating promotitional exams like compstat.
Great observation "43" - I really need to know what was tested in the past??? You see how far that woulda got you on this test. You're an idiot who shouldn't speak about a test you didn't take. If Rising Star covered it, they did it for a reason - which we now understand. The other schools can keep analysing historical test data from the past - I wanna know what's on MY test now, not what's on past exams - THANK YOU Rising Star.
a school should do more analysis. THe other schools actually tell you where exam writers have tested from in the past and the likelihood of a particular procedure appearing, something rising star did not do.
Again, I didn't take this exam, but I guess my criticism lies in these test schools treating promotitional exams like compstat.
Great observation "43" - I really need to know what was tested in the past??? You see how far that woulda got you on this test. You're an idiot who shouldn't speak about a test you didn't take. If Rising Star covered it, they did it for a reason - which we now understand. The other schools can keep analysing historical test data from the past - I wanna know what's on MY test now, not what's on past exams - THANK YOU Rising Star.
Analysis is worthless. Exams aren't given frequently enough for trends to be meaningful.
Great observation "43" - I really need to know what was tested in the past??? You see how far that woulda got you on this test. You're an idiot who shouldn't speak about a test you didn't take. If Rising Star covered it, they did it for a reason - which we now understand. The other schools can keep analysing historical test data from the past - I wanna know what's on MY test now, not what's on past exams - THANK YOU Rising Star.
Not to get into a pissing match with you JCA, but again, this is not compstat. The rising star people treat it as such, even proclaiming that 71% of their students made the 2006 lieutenants list. Who cares! This is not a numbers game. All these guyss care about is improving their stats.
-- Edited by 43cpop on Thursday 3rd of November 2011 10:37:24 AM
Not to get into a pissing match with you JCA, but again, this is not compstat. The rising star people treat it as such, even proclaiming that 71% of their students made the 2006 lieutenants list. Who cares! This is not a numbers game. All these guyss care about is improving their stats.
-- Edited by 43cpop on Thursday 3rd of November 2011 10:37:24 AM
"Improving their stats" means more of thier students get on the list. And this is bad, HOW? If Rising Star wants to improve their stats by getting out in front of what's on an exam, I don't have a problem with that. 43cpop is an idiot of monumentous proporsions.......
