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question on cims ?


There is a little conflict. It has to do with 220. Its a basic question.

What can operations section chief open up ?  Fast track says only groups/sectors, branches but NOT units.

 

The key has a chart ( inluded below) and says it can open all 3.  The patrol guide i was only able to find where it said it could open group/sectors, branches.  Anyone shed light on this ? check out the images below for what i am talking about.

 

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I just know what key is teaching as 220 is the only PG section I don't read and just go by the key notes/CDs/ classes.
I know they teach Op can open all 3.

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go what the patrol guide says........when it comes down to protests and stuff, it's only what is written in the patrol guide that matters



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I sent Key an E-mail, I'll let you know if they reply, otherwise I'm going to class on Monday I'll def ask. From what I see, it looks like you are right though, no units.

-- Edited by Bx Bomber on Sunday 16th of October 2011 01:46:57 AM

-- Edited by Bx Bomber on Sunday 16th of October 2011 01:47:56 AM

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thanks, let me know what they say

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according to Fast track... No units... sectors, branches and groups

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Did you ever get an answer?

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Here is the reply to my E-mail:

Yeah, that's a bad choice of words. We put "Yes" in the column marked "Units" which is a technical term in CIMS for subordinate teams. In that box there is an italicized note saying that the 'units' are not specifically named. For the Operations Section Chief, who runs almost the entire detail on the street and has most of the (uniforms) people assigned to him, naturally has 'ground level' units. However, the technical term "units" is not used for those 'ground level' subordinate units, instead they use the term "teams" and "resources," not units. Thanks for pointing that out.

So no units for OP sec chief.
 

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Thanks for clearing that up.

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thank you very much

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I got a question on financial restrictions. I've tried to reach out to the key but they didn't get back to me yet. It says that we cannot have a position or ownership interest when dealing with the department no exceptions. Ownership is defined as more than 5% or 32000 or more. Than technically if you have 5% or less than 32k you're not in violation and can have a position. anyone else define this differently?

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That's how I understand it

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Than same applies to both city and department as long as you don't violate the ownership interest.

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You can have OI in company that has dealings with city if it's publicly traded.
That is the exception tnat doesn't exist if the Comapany does business with the Dept.

-- Edited by E D on Saturday 22nd of October 2011 12:50:53 PM

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The way I interpret that is I don't need to abide by oi when dealing with city if the company is publicly traded. I can have a millions in it. But if its not publicly traded than oi comes into the play.

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You may NEVER have an interest in a company that has business with the DEPARTMENT


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Not true according to how owneship interest is defined


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3. In addition to the prohibitions outlined above, a Department employee may not have an ownership interest in a firm that is engaged in business dealings with the Department or have an ownership interest in a firm whose shares are not publicly traded, that is engaged in business dealings with the City.

-- Edited by RISING IDIOT on Saturday 22nd of October 2011 03:03:01 PM

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A position with a firm with dealings with the city is NG, unless publicly traded
An "ownership interest" (defined as >5% or $32k) is NG - unless publicly traded

So, if Snapple was publicly traded and had dealing with the city but not the department, you could own 90% of it. You could also have a position with them.

 

A position with a firm with dealings with the department is NG
An "ownership interest" (defined as >5% or $32k) is NG - so less than that is ok

But if the PC and CIRB approve, you can violate these rules.



-- Edited by unborn on Saturday 22nd of October 2011 03:10:55 PM

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Exactly. When it comes to the a firm doing business with the department publicly traded or not it's no good. The patrol guide as usual is misleading and confusing. The step I posted really should be broken down into two separate statements.

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Thanks unborn we are on the same page.

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unborn is correct

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NYG37... My apologies. I misunderstood your original question. I think we are all in agreement with the answer, we just have a different way of getting there.

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No problem. can't stand 203 with all the exceptions.

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Haha. I hear ya bro. Let's hope it's like 2006 with only 2 questions

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