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Zoo-Peon can say whatever he wants, everyone here knows he's full of you know what.
Side note anyone hear Bloomy's comments on pension reform during his State of the City Address? Any opinions on how that can effect us? As unborn Sgt.'s?
As far as those of us on the job, I believe that the only thing that can effect us directly is increased contributions to medical and pension plans. However, it is the unborn that is going to get gutted by Bloomys plan. No variable, a cap on OT for retirement, ITHP OR 50%, not both, 25 years in and 50 yrs old for retirement.
Another thing that I think would effect us down the road is Bloomy's plan to take a knife to civil service testing. As of now, the list is based on your score, the top scorer being number 1, the second being number two, and so on. If Bloomy has his way, there will be "Testing Bands". Example, anyone that scores between 100 and 90 will be weighed the same and may be the first band. The second band might be from 89-80.... etc. Now as per bloomys plan, he can cherry pick people in the first band. Example, I got a 100 and you got a 90. But because you are buddies with him and dating his daughter, you will be picked for promotion and I won't, even though I have the higher score, but our grades are still within that range. That would suck, and that woud be patronage all over again.
Also, for those looking to make a difference, Bloomy wants to classify certain positions as "Manager". (Read it in The Chief.) They would include Precinct Commanders, Asst. Fire Chiefs, and Principals. What that means is he could hire a civilian to become Commanding Officer of the 19th pct for example. Managers serve at the pleasure of the Mayor, which means the Mayor would have even more control of the NYPD than he does now. Imagine Al Sharpton as Commanding Officer of Central Park Precinct. Goodbye Civil Service, Hello Patronage. Before anyone says that can't happen, the Director of Support Services Bureau is a civilian where the position was formerly held by an Assistant Chief. Also, Chancellor Black has NO experience in schools, yet she is in charge of the largest school system in the nation.
Anyways, hope that helps. Take care and good luck to you in the future.
-- Edited by boyblue on Friday 21st of January 2011 12:29:33 AM
The unions would fight against this with everything they have. Not just the pba but every union in the state that falls under civil service. Most of this stuff will not happen but reform seems to be inevitable and the final decision will more then likely happen in collective bargaining
Chronic sick, excessive ccrbs, and force monitoring usually get u a date with Inspector J lol. If ur not chronic and the others don't apply then dont worry about it. As a result of her constant drilling of prospective supervisors (and I believe someone made some type of allegation against her) it is now required for a third party to be in d room when she's conducting her interview lol.
i already went once and i gotta go back next week.. i have too many ccrbs and she drilled me for 40 mins and analyzed everything from summonses to sick to ccrbs to collar history..she has sgt assistant in the room with you...
I went to see her a few weeks before i went to bmoc. i had 2-3 sicks every yea,r never chronic. Her first words were " officer, you could never work for me". Then she drilled me about my sicks, "lack of collars" and asked me why i even took the job". Think she was waiting for me to stand up and go ballistic. But i held my tongue,and got promoted a few weeks later. Yes she has a female Sgt sit in on the interview as a witness cause of the allegations a few years ago. If the job doesn't want you to go sick they shouldn't let you go sick 4 times before you go chronic. F*** the job, where else do you work Christmas and midnights and miss half your life because you can't get the day off. And to those who are so eager to get promoted, not so fast. They really do throw you into the fire. There is no "Training". I don't care if you worked 4x12 in the 67 for the past ten years, its a lot of responsibility and a lot of paperwork. and you're coming in on your own time before the tour to bang out a roll call. Not fun in the beginning. I'm sure it will get better after 6 months. Like I said, go sick, take some 28's and enjoy yourself for a while, you ain't gonna be able to do that for a long time.
-- Edited by gnfnr on Friday 21st of January 2011 03:37:17 AM
GNFNR, What in the world are you talking about. In what command do sgts come on their own time to bang out roll call. do you know a sgt tour start about 10-15 prior to a cop tour. That's why they eraned more chart days. Even that in my command they show up at 1500 hrs if they work the 3rd platoon. She was right drilling you about collars. how the hell with at least 5 years on the job you only dont have enough collars. 4 collars a year is about 20 collars for 5 years. If a boss don't know Patrol with all its realted functions You shouldn't be a PATROL SURPERVISOR.
I had @ 80 collars in 9 yrs on patrol. Thats why I wrote not enough collars in "in parentheses ". And by way, you do stay on your own time before and after. just wait til you get promoted know it all.
80 collars in 9 years. thats why its bull**** when you go to see her. she didnt like my sick record and then harped on anything else she could find. And another thing, when youre new to a command it takes 20-25 minutes to figure out a roll call, and get the crv rmp out in time so the ****ing capt or inspector doesnt flip out. These are real occurances, not just making it up. Im sure it gets better, but im just giving you an experience when youre new and dont know any of the ****ing cops names and who went to court. If you got promoted already you wouldnt be saying this. And dont tell me about being a patrol supervisor, until you get promoted and they throw you out there on your own the first day.
Yes, you do come in a couple minutes before your tour, it gives you time to bang out the roll call and suit up, or it allows you to relieve the desk on the previos tour early so they can have a little more admin time. Does everyone do it? No, especially the four bys like someone mentioned, most cops and bosses on that tour are hairbags, they show up late constantly, at least in my command. Like anything else on this job its all about repetition. After a couple months you do the roll call pretty quickly and command log entries are imprinted in your brain.
Gnfnr, do you want someone to hold your hand? Get a cop with some time on and half a brain and you'll be alright. You're the boss now figure things out for yourself. And it makes a world of difference if you came from a command like the 67 or the 111 as a cop. If you've never dealt with a shooting as a cop you're not going to know how to deal with it as a boss. And the patrol guide is not the end all be all, you need common sense and street smarts. Of course things are rough when you first get there, you're a stranger, soon enough things will be easier, unless you're a retard and a jack off.
Booohooo MCD. I can care less whether I will be there by myself or with a squad of cops. It's is what it's, gotta roll with the punches. Go and tell those stories to retarded sergeants that just got reassigned from police academy to impact)) I don't know where you worked before taking this job. I did supervise people before and I did tons of admin work. Not this bull**** admin crap where you have calculate annual evaluations, 49, or some other laughable nonsense, but actual power point presentations, sweet-talk clients, preparing reports on emerging markets etc etc etc. Some of my buddies in Bk North on impact get more OT than they got while they were cops. I don't why you not getting it. Maybe you need get off patrol and play around with rookies
Listen Kid, Your Boohooing the wrong guy. I guarentee Ive got more street time and balls than you ever had in your entire life. Im just saying to guys like you that your going to have to take your mama's t*t out of your mouth if you actually get promoted and dont think its a walk in the park. You will be cluless at first and nobody will hold your hand. I took charge and learned what I need to know fast and used all my resources and im doing fine. Knowing the stuff isnt the problem, its multi tasking twenty diffrent things at once and having the precinct explode at the same time. You better know everything going on at all times. I have numerous years of supervising in the military under stressfull situations and have probably twice your time on the job so you can take your door to door salessman additude and your powerpoints, if you call that experience, "complete Joke", and put it where the sun dont shine. Try learning from someone who is already there and stop speculating on what you think it might be like when your promoted. Impact sergeants and not getting major OT, maybe 2hrs on a 49 for shooting or stabbing and a little here and there for arrest supervising. If you want OT go to transit. Friend of mine is getting 35hrs per month.
Gnfnr, The reason why it takes up to 25 minutes to finilized a roll call is beacuse of too many unnecessary changes, like X and Y cannot be sector A, lets put them in sector F. So so is my favorite he/she should not be on that foot post. Trust me when i make boss unless i have to make up a sector due to lost time or any order reason, the roll call will stay the same.
Cut the Bull ****... Changing the roll call for no reason. Come to work on time like 15 minutes as per your tour I think you should be fine.
You sound like a winner, im sure they will love you wherever you end. You obviously haven't done patrol and have no idea how it functions. First off roll call is never right, the paa always screws it up. Second, seniority and steady sectors. One set of cops may be steady sector A in squad one but squad three swings in and the senior guys in that squad have A as their steady sector. You're telling me you're not going to change it even though that's how its been done this whole time, because you don't feel like changing it. A word of advice whenever it is you get promoted, go with the flow. You already sound like a total douche
MN50, Douche is not even the word for you. Listen to yourself" go with the flow" the way i see it, the flow is leading the department the wrong way. You, with your theory sh...t roll down hill. So now it's always the paa's fault. Steady sector, for the 9 years i've been on Patrol i was never a steady sector. Never seen a steady sector, i've seen steady partners. By the way where have you been, don't you realize seniority doesn't matter anymore. LEt's see, senior guys can't get detail like AC conditions, most AC cops and condtions have 2 or 3 years on. THe 5 year wonder doesn't like old timers on patrol guest what with your seniority, you b transposrting perps to bookings and assigned to hospitolized perps, that's what take so long to bang out the roll call. 5 year wonder sgts spent too much time changing what the paas are doing as it used to be done. Do your homework then come back with some strong replies. No disrespect, But maybe you should read my post again let me paste it for you, analyze it if you CAN then criticize it. Later
You're a retard and you have no idea what you are talking about. Try speaking english and sp elling correctly and maybe I would have an idea as to what you're trying to say. Who's talking about senior guys going to details, and how many senior guys do you see trying to get into details like conditions or crime, most stay away from that. We are talking about patrol. And you are telling me a paa has never messed up anything? You always got your notifications in a timely manner? Let me guess, you want to reinvent the wheel and do things differently because you're the boss. A few bosses have come and gone in my command who didnt want to "go with the flow," and guess what? They were hated by cops and the other bosses, and were the biggest f-ups, because they didnt want to listen to advice and they wanted to do their own things since they were the "boss" now and knew eveything. Maybe you never had a steady sector because you're bosses didn't trust you since you sound like a complete idiot. Ask around champ, im sure you'll come across someone who was a steady sector. I've been doing my "homework" for close to three years buddy so I have a better understanding than you how things go. Here's my analyzation of your post, you sound like an uneducated twit, and you don't know what you're talking about.
I work in a big command and it takes about 15-20 minutes to do the roll call, and there still winds up being changes. Let's see... mandatory fixers, flying guys out, trying to do the right thing by your squad, respecting seniority while not screwing the same junior guy for the 9th day in the row, half the platoon is at AAB for some reason, not having enough RMP's to even put out sectors, and my favorite, the roll call is ALWAYS screwed up.. there are people listed on the front page AND on the back page as out sick, how is that possible???
Hey aa MCD "I took charge guy" I don't give 10 f... how much time you got on the job. And WTF with that statement about balls? What do you have a ballsomoter at your disposal? The biggest accomplishment in your life, obviously is the time thing. Well let me tell you something I got a boss in my cmd who has 16 years before he got made and guess what? he is freaking clueless despite having solely patrol experience. And then I got 5 year wonder who has been aces from day 1. Nothing but the gentleman So you became a boss right? Then why are here? Move on with your life unless you have sources in magic places to provide us some useful info. none of us need to hear this **** about how confusing is to be a boss for the first 6 month. We are all going to get there and see it for ourselves. I am 140 names away with 8years on and cant wait to get the f...away from patrol cuz I am sick of this ****!!! And FYI , I was in service too, combat vet with 2 tours nco in infantry battalion. Tell your stories to zoo- master
Its good to have time on, its experience, but seniority isn't the only thing that makes a good cop or boss. Im sure everyone has known a few cops or bosses with time on that had no idea what they were doing. And these promotional exams are not created to gauge how smart a person is, just how many pointless and obscure facts you can remember until the day of the test. That's why there are a bunch of dopes walking around as bosses, because they have a good memory.
TThe knuckleheads that are talking crap haven't been promoted yet and are in for a rude awakening when they show up to there new commands with that attitude. Like I said before, I had bosses come through in my command with that attitude and they had problems with cops and bosses the entire time they were there. Why you ask? Because they were douche bags
MN50, I am going to forgive you because it is not your fault to react like that. It is caused by some personality disorders that you suffer from, acting in co morbidity. I can just list a few like, narcissistic personality disorder, Histrionic personality Disorder etc... I like your advice to try speaking and spelling English correctly this will be to my benefit. I have good news for you. I went and did that below are the results. Let me start by correcting your fragmented post. "You're a retard and you have no idea what you are talking about." It should be written: Youre a retard and have no idea of what you are talking about. Moreover, even a first grader knows the difference between a question and a sentence. Who's talking about senior guys going to details, and how many senior guys do you see trying to get into details like conditions or crime, most stay away from that. Was that a question? This was just a run-on sentence. You wrote: . Try speaking english and spelling correctly and maybe I would have an idea as to what you're trying to say. Let me fix that for you. If you try to speak English, try to spell correctly then I may have an idea of what youre trying to say. By The way did you invent the word ANALYZATION? Is that one of the word I should try to learn to speak English properly? FYI it doesnt exist. More corrections because they didnt want to listen to advice fix that its didnt. eveything let me spell it for you. E V E R Y T H I N G. The point is you no better than anybody else so stop thinking that you are. If you are a SGT already its ashamed to have you as a boss. Again I forgive you its not your fault. I blame it on your personality disorders. I will not take offense when you call me an IDIOT.
Seriously, Nobody gives two Sh*#s about your ideas or problems with this job. Unless you have relevant promotional info, log on to the rant and express your retarded views and job related opinions there. Let's go Jets!!!
I think I touched a sore spot. Well, I still have friends on this sight and Im just telling it like it is. The Job is good and being a boss is busy. I just dont want people having false hopes of what they think it will be like when they are promoted. Bmoc does not prepare you for anything. You and eveyone else will learn as you go when you get to your new home. There is no whinning or complaining, Im telling you and eveyone else what to expect so you dont go in being mentally unprepared. Being a boss is great in some aspects but you will work as much, if not more than you did before. Not everyone knows everything so remain teachable. Im not going to continue with name calling and this is not about a time thing but when a cop has not seen all aspects of the job because he has little or no patrol experience than how the hell do you think that same guy is going to make a decision. Good luck, its only an opinion and not a fact so dont take it to heart. Like i said again, im just looking at this sight to see the progress of some of my buddies and thats all. You will be there in about three to four months, maybe six at the most so good luck and enjoy. Hey remember we are still all on the same job. Im not here to pic a verbal fight.
I was a steady patrol guy my whole life in a busy house and was just itching for the day to make sgt. I kept thinking 'the sgts dont do anything. I cant wait!'
Well, reality hits after promotion.
You will be amazed at how much paperwork and things you have to multi task at once.
There is nothing you can say or think about how to be a sgt and what needs to be done until after you get promoted. And there is nothing in bmoc that teaches you anything too.
I would like to see a new boss come in 15 mins before rollcall and think he can bang it out.
Oops, forgot to assign defibs. Oops those rmps are in a shop. Oops those rmps are being used by the detail. Cops in aab. Cops with change of tours that are on rollcall. Cops at training or out sick that are on rollcall. Special posts. Relief in a hospital. CRV that needs a car and needs to be shipped out asap. PAAs screwing up rollcall. Oops finding out the color and return. Assigning directeds and community visits. Thinking up quick instructions for your rollcall. Cops calling in late. Lt telling you hes missing a radiation pager. Random cop is asking for lost time. Random cop is telling you hes feeling sick and wants to be inside. Random cop says he has vacation next week and needs to go out. PAA is sick and a TS needs to be assigned. All the while where you cant even put half the cops names to faces on the rollcall.
Try doing that in 15 mins.
-- Edited by brooklynbacon on Sunday 23rd of January 2011 07:08:24 AM
I feel bad for the people who studied and took the test thinking to themselves " I just want to be a boss and do nothing "... because thats just not how it is.. and if anyone looks at it like that then you will probably be miserable wherever you land..
Being promoted isnt about getting paid more to do less, it should be about furthering your career and bettering yourself.. any other motives will result in a serious let down..
brooklyn bacon hit the nail on the head , lets not forget about the random communications you might get which as a cop you probably know nothing about and still dont, or the cop who falls in the parking lot and wants to go LOD , or the walk in ccrb
brooklyn bacon hit the nail on the head , lets not forget about the random communications you might get which as a cop you probably know nothing about and still dont, or the cop who falls in the parking lot and wants to go LOD , or the walk in ccrb
Dont forget those f**king self inspections and the LT's that have you do the dirty work so you look like the bad guy! and that's the same LT that wont give you a meal!
Maybe I'm missing the point to everything on this job..perhaps the gallery will be willing to lend me an ear. I thought that when I took this job that no matter how different our views were on things that we were all "BLUE" and would respect one another in both opinions and actions..what might not be good for one would be good for someone else but all were respected as "COPS".. the name calling and out and out disrespect for each other is the real reason why this job is the way it is and why nobody respects us..I think that it's high time we pull it together and reconigze each other as brothers and sisters in blue. I don't have to agree or hold a kum by ya hand holding session but I WILL respect the other persons way of looking at life..we all view things differently..I may not like the other person but I will wish them well in thier travels..thoughts?
I didn't read every single post but I will say that I didn't think there was THAT much stuff to do when you get promoted but at first it really is. When you are new you don't know any cops and if you work in a big command, especially if you come from a smaller one, there's so many cops, plus different units, etc that it is tough to bang out a roll call in 10 minutes. The desk on a daytour is insane at times, mostly because everyone going to court, cops from all 3 tours there, not enough rmp's etc. The PAA's forget to put limited or restricted sometimes so its not easy to just leave it as it is. In fact, there have been 0 times so far I have left the roll call exactly as it was. I do midnights now so it is easier but you have to learn steady partners etc.
I understand both viewpoints, but for those who haven't got promoted, just wait and you will see its not as easy as you think. Eventually you get the hang of it, but then you realize that cops don't give a sh*t about anything your responsible for. You give out the property log and then get it back and missing like 8 vouchers, the index typed wrong, and when certain duty captains come in, or for anyone in the Bronx who knows "Eddie" they go through that and bitch about anything and everything. I don't think anyone above including myself are looking for sympathy, but you will realize quickly you are responsible for everything now, and will probably get more CD's as a boss than a cop.
I didn't really have anyone to help me much, I kinda learned it on my own, but when someone new comes to my command, I will help them because it really makes a world of a difference.
ID RATHER HEAR ZOO-MASTER TALK ABOUT BOBITTO THAN THESE LITTLE BITCHES GO BACK AND FORTH WITH EACH OTHER......AT LEAST ZOO MASTER IS FUNNY AND HAS SOME FACTUAL TRUTHS TO HIS RANTS.
The last few post have been some of the best post i have read on here. They kind of put things in perspective for those that have not been promoted. The patrol guide and In-basket are one thing when we took the exam but all that stuff is not real world. I appreciate the input and never really looked at it from the real world view point.
Thanks for understanding. The only reason we have shared our experiences as newly promoted bosses is because we have shared on this site with the people waiting to get promoted for the last two years. we all waited together and now we are just passing it on like it is. We are not bitching, just clearly passing on good info on what to expect when everyone here gets promoted eventually. I had a great day as a boss yesterday but not all days go smoothly and thats just the way it is. A new sergeant is the dumping ground for everyone else and thats just the way it is when your new. I have no complaints, this will eventually pass and everything will get easier in time so its not all bad. Its great when you have more than two bosses in at one time. But anyway, its a step you have to take to get to where you want to go and its a great step, but it is a lot of new things and new responsabilities. I have no complaints just be aware that its not easy at first and you will work your ass off at first untill you get to know everyone and their personalities. For anyone who doesn't care to hear this, well, you'll be the same guy shaking your head wondering why nobody will help you when your stuck out there alone with your thumb up your ass.
I was speaking to a friend...Said that they are implementing a new procedure for promotions, which i think is so so..If you are chronic, have a schedule B (within 6 months), pattern sick, or have excessive CCRB's...you are subject to a promotion interview.
I think that zoo master guy had some truth to it but he made it sound like everyones promotions are at risk.
I guess the best thing to do is lay low for a while and things will work out
-- Edited by SATCOM on Tuesday 25th of January 2011 06:17:57 PM
I was speaking to a friend...Said that they are implementing a new procedure for promotions, which i think is so so..If you are chronic, have a schedule B (within 6 months), pattern sick, or have excessive CCRB's...you are subject to a promotion interview.
I think that zoo master guy had some truth to it but he made it sound like everyones promotions are at risk.
I guess the best thing to do is lay low for a while and things will work out
-- Edited by SATCOM on Tuesday 25th of January 2011 06:17:57 PM
If this is true, that would mean this list will move a heck of a lot faster and we can expect many more passovers.
-- Edited by Shhh on Tuesday 25th of January 2011 10:36:28 PM
I was speaking to a friend...Said that they are implementing a new procedure for promotions, which i think is so so..If you are chronic, have a schedule B (within 6 months), pattern sick, or have excessive CCRB's...you are subject to a promotion interview.
I think that zoo master guy had some truth to it but he made it sound like everyones promotions are at risk.
I guess the best thing to do is lay low for a while and things will work out
-- Edited by SATCOM on Tuesday 25th of January 2011 06:17:57 PM
If this is true, that would mean this list will move a heck of a lot faster and we can expect many more passovers.
-- Edited by Shhh on Tuesday 25th of January 2011 10:36:28 PM
all that is gonna get you is a nice sit down with inspector jones and barring a catastrophe, im told its nothing to sweat to much about.
Today at PHASE 1 ... The LT confirmed there will be 67-75 going to BMOC on Monday. Look for that finest tomorrow around 17:30....GOOD LUCK TO ALL
You are right on that. I just wanted to add that the LT also said that even THEY don't know how many bodies they are getting until 2 weeks prior. They said that they were given even shorter notices but said they couldn't conduct classes because they have to line up guest speakers and prepare the material, which takes about two weeks. I asked the Sergeant and she told me that the department is short on Sergeants. There are a lot of retirements coming down the pipeline so they have to prep for that. This next class will have a lot of backfills because a bunch of them are part of the 5 year crew. Anyways, good luck to everyone.
I was speaking to a friend...Said that they are implementing a new procedure for promotions, which i think is so so..If you are chronic, have a schedule B (within 6 months), pattern sick, or have excessive CCRB's...you are subject to a promotion interview.
I think that zoo master guy had some truth to it but he made it sound like everyones promotions are at risk.
I guess the best thing to do is lay low for a while and things will work out
-- Edited by SATCOM on Tuesday 25th of January 2011 06:17:57 PM
If this is true, that would mean this list will move a heck of a lot faster and we can expect many more passovers.
-- Edited by Shhh on Tuesday 25th of January 2011 10:36:28 PM
all that is gonna get you is a nice sit down with inspector jones and barring a catastrophe, im told its nothing to sweat to much about.
I doubt its anything to worry about...The only people I can see not getting promoted are the ones who are combative when being asked questions about integrity (going sick). And of course the people who are jammed up. I doubt it will make anything go any faster because anybody who is passed over will be a backfill in the next class. Not such a bad thing.
Everyone on this board owes the ZOO MASTER a big apology, looks like all of his info has been dead on....he must really be intimate with Bobitto.
LOL..I donno about an apology because he made it seem that they are cutting the list, sending half the list to CARB..The only legit thing was that they will start looking into scammers...That still doesnt mean they wont get promoted. All it is is an interview.