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Can some please post the pay structure for PO and SGT. What is starting pay for sgt?

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It's less then you currently make.  It was posted on the board for the 2008 test a while ago.

-- Edited by cdm115 at 15:58, 2009-03-04

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First year as a sgt is like $400 less then a top pay cop.

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GOTTA LOVE A BUNCH OF GUYS POSTING INFO AND QUESTIONS ABOUT SGT PAY STRUCTURE WHEN THIS ANSWER KEY/LIST AREN'T EVEN OUT YET....

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sgt pay scale
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-- Edited by nycop80 at 14:21, 2009-03-07

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so listen if they dont settle the sgt contract before some of us get promoted..we will actually take a pay cut? ... is that possible? .....cause whats our top pay now 86,000 or something for a 4x12 guy....and sgt starts at like 70 something....or do you automatically jump to a different level on the pay scale till they settle it? ....**** maybe i wish i didnt do so good on this test lol

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Yes its possible. Ask any first year sgt in your pct and they will confirm they are making less then a top pay cop.

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If you are hired today as a Sgt, you make more than PO at base pay. If you are hired in the future as a Sgt, you will still make more at base pay than a PO.

The people that got screwed got promoted a few years ago. They never actually made less than PO at base pay on their W2's, but they did in a sense that their base pay when all the contracts were settled years later, on paper.

The recent contract settlements, the SGT's settled on 6 years- 3.15,3.5,4,4,4,4% up until 2011. The PO's got 4.5,5,4,4,4,4% up until 2010. The 4.5, 5% were paid retroactively 4 years overdue in 2008. So if you look retroactively how the contracts were settled, PO's made more for a one year period in 2005-2006, I believe.

But keep in mind, in 2006, no PO was ACTUALLY making that salary on their W2, they got a retro check in 2008 to settle it. So in reality, no PO was making more than a Sgt at base pay, but looking back how the contracts were settled, they did on paper. All they did was get a slightly larger retro check that doesn't accrue interest or anything.

So SGT's never actually made less than PO's in reality, on their W2's in any actual year. Sgt's for a very short time did appear to make less at base pay after the contracts were settled several years later.

Sgt's hired during that time span want a reopenr clause since on paper they made less, but in the actual years they were Sgt's, PO's were settling the 2001-2003 contracts and were still behind...

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BTW, the starting pay for a Probationary Sgt hired right this second is:

5 years longevity- $77,230

10years longevity- $78,230

15years longevity- $79,230

20 years longeivity-$80,230

Now thats as of right this second, do you know any PO's currently making more than that as base pay? I sure don't. At the end of 2010, Po's will make something similar as base pay, but thats at the tail end of their current contract. Sgt's also have a contract that is still active, so they get more too until 2011...



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Patrolguideismybible, Sorry but your wrong a newly promoted sergeant makes $20 less then a top pay cop.

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OK, then what is the top pay for a PO right now? According to you it must be about $77,250? I am fairly certain you are wrong...

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Base pay for a cop at top pay is $2820 bi weekly, for a sergeant it is $2800

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PatrolGuideismyBible wrote:

OK, then what is the top pay for a PO right now? According to you it must be about $77,250? I am fairly certain you are wrong...




You posted Sgt pay factoring in longevity.  Of course thats gonna be more than PO BASE SALARY.  Factor in P.O. longevity and its more than a Sgt.  Starting salary for a newly promoted Sgt is 73000.  Approximately 400 less than a top pay cop.



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a top pay police officer makes 20 dollars more than a base pay sergeant who was promoted before the new police officers contract was settled

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Longevity gets factored in since you automatically get it when you hit top pay. You have a minimum of 5 years, which is the bottom longevity just to be at top pay, so what I posted is accurate and reliable. Are there any top pay cops that do not get longevity? Nope.

PO's never made more than Sgt's in reality, its just the contracts had lower percentages for Sgt's for a 2 year span where PO's got 4.5% and 5%, Sgt's got 3.15% and 3.5%.

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dude you just don't get it.  Top pay cop's BASE SALARY is 20 dollars more per paycheck than a newly promoted sgt's BASE SALARY.  Come on guy...its a simple concept.  You must have gotten the two math questions on the test wrong.  You are obviously neither a top pay cop or a newly promoted Sgt.


-- Edited by WOW at 05:25, 2009-03-10

-- Edited by WOW at 05:26, 2009-03-10

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Hopefully we jump to the third step.

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PatrolGuideismybible, I dont know if ur a sgt, but i am, and guess what? I MAKE LESS THAN A TOP PAY COP!  A sgt at the first step makes less than a cop at top pay at this point in the contract.  The only way a recently promoted sgt can make more than a cop is to move to the third step.  If this wasnt the the case, there wouldnt be a grievance filed by the sba. 

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Wait a minute, I thoguht that by law u cant actually take a paycut? Did your pay actually go down? I thought it would just stay the same until you reach the next step. Holy smokes that needs to be fixed then!

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I was promoted prior to the new contract, so techincally I was not at the new scale, which meant I did make more when I was promoted.  A few weeks after my promotion the cops new contract was ratified and that is when I was screwed and everyone else in my position.

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Ohh ok wow that sucks. Thats just bad timing for you. you just gotta love this city.

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I am a Sgt at second step and guess what? I make more than my cops and always did. Sorry, what you guys are posting is simply not true.

Whats true is that when the SBA took 3.15% and 3.5% for the fiscal years 2004-2006, the PBA got 4.5% and 5% from PERB for the same years. So a Sgt in those years was adjusted to take 4 years to top pay and the starting pay was $66,696 with 5 years longevity (minimum starting pay) for fiscal year 2005.

But in reality, the SBA contract wasn't settled until 2006, so it was retro and the starting pay was readjusted to be lower for new Sgt's and instead of being 3 years to top pay, it was 4.

The PBA didn't settle on the fiscal years 2004-2006 until 2008. So by then anyone who was a Sgt since then was already at top pay and was already making a minimum of $94,444 if they had been Sgt's since 2004. They felll into the old contract anyway.

Sgt's hired after April 2006 still made more than PO's in reality. Remember by 2008 when the PBA settled, whatever they got was a retro check in 2008, in 2004-2006 they were only making 59,500+ in reality. So by readjusting the PBA contract to reflect those years in 2008, the 2006 salary was readjusted to be about with minimum 5 year longevity, to be about $69,360.

So if you hired as Sgt from April 2006 to about June 2008, you made less money than a PO once the PBA contract was settled in the 3rd quarter of 2008. BUT... IN REALITY, PO's DID NOT MAKE THAT MONEY UNTIL LATE 2008!!!

So what I am saying is on paper for April 2006 to June 2008, PO's made more at top pay than newly promoted Sgt's. In other words, when the contract was settled in late 2008. But in those years PO's were still only making $59,500+. They did get the money in their retro checks, but their 2004-2008 W2's will not reflect that change.

In 2008 most cops did make more than most Sgt's BECAUSE OF THE 2008 RETRO CHECKS. So only in 2008 would thier W2's tend to be more.

Any Sgt's getting hired now, make more money since everyone contracts are up to date. The Sgt's that are fighting for a reopener, want it so that from that two window, to have their salaries retroactively adjusted to have a higher base pay than PO's through a retro check.

Even the Sgt's in theory "making less" were earning 8.25% on their pensions while receiving money, where PO's earned no interest, had no money and got it in a lump sum in a 2008 retro check.

The city got a interest free loan for over 4 years on PBA members. Also a pension loan too since a PO's pension was earning less, bc less money was being put in it.

It is confusing, but if you are being hired today, NO, PO's are NOT making more than you at base pay. Of course if he is an overtime whore, collars for dollars, god bless, he will make more. But not his base pay...



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How are you going to tell me what im saying is not true?  U dont know what u are talking about.  If I were to compare my check to a cops, my base pay is less.  At of 7/1/08 when i was promoted, BASE PAY 73,000.  As of 8/1/08 a COPS BASE PAY, 73,546.  You're talking out your ass guy, no one is talking about sgt's promototed prior to 2006, and no one is talking aout retro or longevity or W2s.  We are talking about right now, check to check, and RIGHT NOW, I make less than a cop.  And the only way a person about to be promoted would make more than a cop is by being moved to third step right away, which is why the SBA is filing grievance on our behalf. That may have been confusing for you though, so i'll understand if YOU cant grab the concept.

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This guy Patrolguideismybible is just not getting it.  It's getting pretty amazing that someone can be so emphatic about something he obviously is clueless about.  It is so simple to grasp, yet he continues to rant his foolishness.  Frankly, I'm getting a little frustrated with this guy.  What can you do.  On his planet $2820.00 per check is less than $2800.00 per check.

-- Edited by WOW at 18:28, 2009-03-10

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Apparently you guys must be the only top pay cops or newly promoted Sgt's that don't get longevity?

I get it fine, $73,000 would be correct if you did not get longevity, which just simply does not exist. Every Sgt gets longevity, so their real salary is $77,230 with a minumum of 5 years, which is required just to be a Sgt.

Starting to get it now? Show me where a PO is making more than that in 2009 with base pay? Are you making more than $2807.70+$162.70= $2970.39 per paycheck? (No night diff in those numbers, since not everyone actually gets it.)

If you whip out your last pay check and you beat those numbers, then you are correct, if you don't then you are wrong...



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Correct me if im wrong but i understand a bottom pay sergeant promoted before the PBA settled their recent contracts are making less then top pay cops now. A top pay cop now promoted to a sergeant cannot take a pay cut. I believe its against civil service rules. Wouldnt a top pay cop now promoted to sergeant jump to the next pay step. Similar to a Detective who gets promoted to sergeant cannot take a pay cut they automatically jump to the 2nd to last pay grade before top pay sergeant. While its completely unfair to the current rookie sergeants it would not effect new rookie sergeants who were already at top pay PO under the new contract


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I think thats bc top pay cops do not make more than newly promoted Sgt's. I would like someone who has at least 5 years OTJ, to post their last paycheck numbers. If you beat the numbers I posted- $2,807.70+162.70 = $2,970.39, then you guys are right, I am talking outta my ass.

But if you fall short, then you see what the difference is. Regardless, its not a whole helluva of a lot either way...

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Will a top pay cop please post their lonevity pay so we can end this discussion.  And you are riht, the diffference is minimal, the point is though, is that a sgt should not be making less than a cop

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MN50 wats up Razor

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I am @ top pay and the following numbers come out directly from my pay check:

Regular pay $2507.80

Longevity: 143.65; Full Night Differential: 187.41

I'm sorry that was not a recent pay stub. that was as of 08/31/08
Please disregard.


-- Edited by ThanksToGod at 18:42, 2009-03-11

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I think you are not at top pay as a PO, those numbers are smaller than they should be. Its a lot closer than that.

Regardless, its so close one way or the other, it is embarassing for newer Sgt's that their Po's will definately make significantly more money then them anyway with just a little bit of overtime.

Could someone post the real paycheck for a PO with at least 5 years OTJ? That one doesn't add up, its not top pay.

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$2820 + $160 (longevity) = $2980

ThanksToGod, I'd talk to payroll, you're getting jipped my man.

-- Edited by fodx at 15:37, 2009-03-11

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If fodx is correct, then guess what? I make LESS than a top pay cop!  I'm not including my night diff and this what my stub says: Regular pay 2800.00, Longevity 162.25 = 2962.25.  Like I said before, it is a minimal amount, but the point is I make less than the cops I supervise.

I dont get the reference plan q.



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Also, OT is calculated based on base pay, not base pay + longevity or base pay + interest on the money i made before the PBA settled their contract. If a cop and I are on OT for a detail he will make more money then me. It's a good thing I get a car for the detail.

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Guy, you can not be more wrong. If you really are a Sgt then you must not talk to any other boss in your command. If you did you would surely know that a top pay cops base pay is $20 more per check than a newly promoted boss, because come every other thursday people come behind the desk, pick up their stubs and say "holy ****, i can believe a cop makes more than me" shakes his/her head, and then walks away. It happens in every command around the city. PatrolGuide must be your bible because common sense obviously is not.

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mn50 well stated response,  top pay cops are making 2820 bi- weekly while i make 2800.  So as mn50 stated, it is not rocket science to figure out. Some newly promoted Sergeants are making less money at base pay then top pay cops.  I do not see where the confusion is happening.

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But the bright side is 4 years after u get promoted you're making 100k BASE PAY.

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yeah, but show me the money now !!! lol.

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Only if you have 20yrs on.(100k)

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jumpship, no you're wrong, look at the chart. The 5th step (meaning which is after 4 years as a Sgt) and at 10 years on the job its a little over 100K.

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OK, you guys are right, if both the SGT and the PO have 5 years longevity, its a 13 dollar difference in favor of the PO. I looked it up with guys at work. But bottom pay Sgt's should be at 2807, not 2800. Top pay PO's is 2820.

Higher longevity steps, PO's are making a slightly bigger gap too. Pretty fvcked up. Actually guys with like 15 years longevity are making more than me.

I think this is the only job where a supervisor would take a pay cut at base pay that I have ever heard of.

But the SBA should not give anything back for a $13 discrepency. Even if the SBA creates a lawsuit, I can see the city, making the raise a measly $14 an hour just to bump Sgt's base pay up by $1!!!

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Congratulations PatrolGuide!!! You finally got it. But just one more correction. Newly promoted Sgt pay is 2800.00 on the nose.

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If you are only getting 2800, then your are getting shortcahnged based on this years numbers. It should be 7 bucks higher.

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Everyone keeps saying "pay cut". you CANNOT make less as a boss than you were as a cop. So if you were at top pay as a cap making $2820 iw wont go down to $2800 when you get made. It wont go down , it'll just stay the same.

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fodx wrote:

Everyone keeps saying "pay cut". you CANNOT make less as a boss than you were as a cop. So if you were at top pay as a cap making $2820 iw wont go down to $2800 when you get made. It wont go down , it'll just stay the same.

-- Edited by fodx at 15:08, 2009-03-12




NEWS FLASH.....It went down! I was at top pay with 9.5 years on the job.  Trust me it went down.



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Well, I didn't think so either, but I looked into it, not only is it possible, it is ACTUALLY going on?

Only on this job can things get sooo messed up that supervisors make less than their cops.
I would like to think this would get fixed, but it sounds like the city wants givebacks for something that should have never have happened to begin with...

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Anybody hired from after April 2006 til December 2008 were screwed. Everyone hired after December 2008 is bumped to the 3rd step in sgt's pay.

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NYPD74, your saying that not only am I making less than my cops but I'm also gonna make less than Sgt's who I have seniority over? hahahahahaha it keeps getting better....i love it. I think the PAAs, Cadets, Cleaners, maybe even auxilaries should make more than newly promoted Sgt's. But only the ones promoted between April 2006-December 2008, cause apparently we're special.


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Here is what I don't get- don't Detectives automatically get bumped up byond their top pay when they make Sgt? Or is that bad info? I have heard that many times over the years.

If that is true, why does the same not apply to PO's that make Sgt??? Bump up to like 2nd or 3rd step or something?

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WAS PROMOTED 12/23/08  WAS LIED TO BY LABOR RELATIONS , A LT FROM LABOR RELATIONS STATED WE WOULD START AT 74,000 AND AT STEP 3 ,    NOW I CALLED PAYROLL TO FIND OUT THEY LIED SO WE WOULD NOT TURN DOWN THE PROMOTION ,    LETS SEE, i LOST NIGHT DIFF , LOST ANY POSIBLE O/T , SPENT MONEY ON NEW UNIFORMS  SHIRTS , HATS , PANTS , ETC ADDS UP . AND FOR A PAY CUT ??????    NOW IN JULY A PO GETS ANOTHER RAISE OVER 3000 AND ANOTHER 1300-1400 LONGEVITY ,  AND I STAY AT THE OLD BASE SALARY furiousfuriousfuriousfuriousfuriousfurious

-- Edited by t-bone on Monday 16th of March 2009 03:55:27 AM

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