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It's less then you currently make.  It was posted on the board for the 2008 test a while ago.

-- Edited by cdm115 at 15:58, 2009-03-04

GOTTA LOVE A BUNCH OF GUYS POSTING INFO AND QUESTIONS ABOUT SGT PAY STRUCTURE WHEN THIS ANSWER KEY/LIST AREN'T EVEN OUT YET....

so listen if they dont settle the sgt contract before some of us get promoted..we will actually take a pay cut? ... is that possible? .....cause whats our top pay now 86,000 or something for a 4x12 guy....and sgt starts at like 70 something....or do you automatically jump to a different level on the pay scale till they settle it? ....**** maybe i wish i didnt do so good on this test lol

If you are hired today as a Sgt, you make more than PO at base pay. If you are hired in the future as a Sgt, you will still make more at base pay than a PO.

The people that got screwed got promoted a few years ago. They never actually made less than PO at base pay on their W2's, but they did in a sense that their base pay when all the contracts were settled years later, on paper.

The recent contract settlements, the SGT's settled on 6 years- 3.15,3.5,4,4,4,4% up until 2011. The PO's got 4.5,5,4,4,4,4% up until 2010. The 4.5, 5% were paid retroactively 4 years overdue in 2008. So if you look retroactively how the contracts were settled, PO's made more for a one year period in 2005-2006, I believe.

But keep in mind, in 2006, no PO was ACTUALLY making that salary on their W2, they got a retro check in 2008 to settle it. So in reality, no PO was making more than a Sgt at base pay, but looking back how the contracts were settled, they did on paper. All they did was get a slightly larger retro check that doesn't accrue interest or anything.

So SGT's never actually made less than PO's in reality, on their W2's in any actual year. Sgt's for a very short time did appear to make less at base pay after the contracts were settled several years later.

Sgt's hired during that time span want a reopenr clause since on paper they made less, but in the actual years they were Sgt's, PO's were settling the 2001-2003 contracts and were still behind...

Patrolguideismybible, Sorry but your wrong a newly promoted sergeant makes $20 less then a top pay cop.

Base pay for a cop at top pay is $2820 bi weekly, for a sergeant it is $2800

a top pay police officer makes 20 dollars more than a base pay sergeant who was promoted before the new police officers contract was settled

dude you just don't get it.  Top pay cop's BASE SALARY is 20 dollars more per paycheck than a newly promoted sgt's BASE SALARY.  Come on guy...its a simple concept.  You must have gotten the two math questions on the test wrong.  You are obviously neither a top pay cop or a newly promoted Sgt.


-- Edited by WOW at 05:25, 2009-03-10

-- Edited by WOW at 05:26, 2009-03-10

PatrolGuideismybible, I dont know if ur a sgt, but i am, and guess what? I MAKE LESS THAN A TOP PAY COP!  A sgt at the first step makes less than a cop at top pay at this point in the contract.  The only way a recently promoted sgt can make more than a cop is to move to the third step.  If this wasnt the the case, there wouldnt be a grievance filed by the sba. 

I was promoted prior to the new contract, so techincally I was not at the new scale, which meant I did make more when I was promoted.  A few weeks after my promotion the cops new contract was ratified and that is when I was screwed and everyone else in my position.

I am a Sgt at second step and guess what? I make more than my cops and always did. Sorry, what you guys are posting is simply not true.

Whats true is that when the SBA took 3.15% and 3.5% for the fiscal years 2004-2006, the PBA got 4.5% and 5% from PERB for the same years. So a Sgt in those years was adjusted to take 4 years to top pay and the starting pay was $66,696 with 5 years longevity (minimum starting pay) for fiscal year 2005.

But in reality, the SBA contract wasn't settled until 2006, so it was retro and the starting pay was readjusted to be lower for new Sgt's and instead of being 3 years to top pay, it was 4.

The PBA didn't settle on the fiscal years 2004-2006 until 2008. So by then anyone who was a Sgt since then was already at top pay and was already making a minimum of $94,444 if they had been Sgt's since 2004. They felll into the old contract anyway.

Sgt's hired after April 2006 still made more than PO's in reality. Remember by 2008 when the PBA settled, whatever they got was a retro check in 2008, in 2004-2006 they were only making 59,500+ in reality. So by readjusting the PBA contract to reflect those years in 2008, the 2006 salary was readjusted to be about with minimum 5 year longevity, to be about $69,360.

So if you hired as Sgt from April 2006 to about June 2008, you made less money than a PO once the PBA contract was settled in the 3rd quarter of 2008. BUT... IN REALITY, PO's DID NOT MAKE THAT MONEY UNTIL LATE 2008!!!

So what I am saying is on paper for April 2006 to June 2008, PO's made more at top pay than newly promoted Sgt's. In other words, when the contract was settled in late 2008. But in those years PO's were still only making $59,500+. They did get the money in their retro checks, but their 2004-2008 W2's will not reflect that change.

In 2008 most cops did make more than most Sgt's BECAUSE OF THE 2008 RETRO CHECKS. So only in 2008 would thier W2's tend to be more.

Any Sgt's getting hired now, make more money since everyone contracts are up to date. The Sgt's that are fighting for a reopener, want it so that from that two window, to have their salaries retroactively adjusted to have a higher base pay than PO's through a retro check.

Even the Sgt's in theory "making less" were earning 8.25% on their pensions while receiving money, where PO's earned no interest, had no money and got it in a lump sum in a 2008 retro check.

The city got a interest free loan for over 4 years on PBA members. Also a pension loan too since a PO's pension was earning less, bc less money was being put in it.

It is confusing, but if you are being hired today, NO, PO's are NOT making more than you at base pay. Of course if he is an overtime whore, collars for dollars, god bless, he will make more. But not his base pay...

This guy Patrolguideismybible is just not getting it.  It's getting pretty amazing that someone can be so emphatic about something he obviously is clueless about.  It is so simple to grasp, yet he continues to rant his foolishness.  Frankly, I'm getting a little frustrated with this guy.  What can you do.  On his planet $2820.00 per check is less than $2800.00 per check.

-- Edited by WOW at 18:28, 2009-03-10

Correct me if im wrong but i understand a bottom pay sergeant promoted before the PBA settled their recent contracts are making less then top pay cops now. A top pay cop now promoted to a sergeant cannot take a pay cut. I believe its against civil service rules. Wouldnt a top pay cop now promoted to sergeant jump to the next pay step. Similar to a Detective who gets promoted to sergeant cannot take a pay cut they automatically jump to the 2nd to last pay grade before top pay sergeant. While its completely unfair to the current rookie sergeants it would not effect new rookie sergeants who were already at top pay PO under the new contract


-- Edited by HabidasheryAuto at 22:20, 2009-03-10

Will a top pay cop please post their lonevity pay so we can end this discussion.  And you are riht, the diffference is minimal, the point is though, is that a sgt should not be making less than a cop

I am @ top pay and the following numbers come out directly from my pay check:

Regular pay $2507.80

Longevity: 143.65; Full Night Differential: 187.41

I'm sorry that was not a recent pay stub. that was as of 08/31/08
Please disregard.

-- Edited by ThanksToGod at 18:42, 2009-03-11

$2820 + $160 (longevity) = $2980

ThanksToGod, I'd talk to payroll, you're getting jipped my man.

-- Edited by fodx at 15:37, 2009-03-11

Also, OT is calculated based on base pay, not base pay + longevity or base pay + interest on the money i made before the PBA settled their contract. If a cop and I are on OT for a detail he will make more money then me. It's a good thing I get a car for the detail.

mn50 well stated response,  top pay cops are making 2820 bi- weekly while i make 2800.  So as mn50 stated, it is not rocket science to figure out. Some newly promoted Sergeants are making less money at base pay then top pay cops.  I do not see where the confusion is happening.

yeah, but show me the money now !!! lol.

jumpship, no you're wrong, look at the chart. The 5th step (meaning which is after 4 years as a Sgt) and at 10 years on the job its a little over 100K.

Congratulations PatrolGuide!!! You finally got it. But just one more correction. Newly promoted Sgt pay is 2800.00 on the nose.

Everyone keeps saying "pay cut". you CANNOT make less as a boss than you were as a cop. So if you were at top pay as a cap making $2820 iw wont go down to $2800 when you get made. It wont go down , it'll just stay the same.

-- Edited by fodx at 15:08, 2009-03-12

Well, I didn't think so either, but I looked into it, not only is it possible, it is ACTUALLY going on?

Only on this job can things get sooo messed up that supervisors make less than their cops.
I would like to think this would get fixed, but it sounds like the city wants givebacks for something that should have never have happened to begin with...

NYPD74, your saying that not only am I making less than my cops but I'm also gonna make less than Sgt's who I have seniority over? hahahahahaha it keeps getting better....i love it. I think the PAAs, Cadets, Cleaners, maybe even auxilaries should make more than newly promoted Sgt's. But only the ones promoted between April 2006-December 2008, cause apparently we're special.