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Now you are talking about the active veteran, chasing the radio, making collars, etc. What about the guy who went from tracer, to omap, to the property clerk who has 15 collars in 10 years? There are many people who follow a route similiar to this. Is this guy deserving of the points? My point is lets make this about the exam, not how long you have on, how many medals you have, how many times you can run the mile in under15:30. If you want to argue collars, then fine for every 50 felony collars you get 1 point with a max of 4. But to give an individual 7 points for getting hired 10 years ago is ridiculous. Obviously the guys with seniority are going to argue for the points and the newer guys are going to argue against, but either way you have to see the validity of my point.
Wow a guy spends 3 or 4 years in the military probably went on two over seas deployments. He was away from his family digging fox holes, eating mre, and trying to protect his country and you dont want to give him 5 credits on a civil service test. I cant believe i am reading this stuff.
hey when it comes to military I don't have a problem. now the fat slop of a cop sitting In the property clerk for 15 yrs collecting 8 points on the test..... now that's a different story!!!
So waiting are you going to be the type of boss who would give the rookie summons whore in your squad the overtime detail over the senior guy? You realize the do nothing with time on started out as the rookie do nothing. With that said I dont think there is anything wrong with giving extra points for seniority and especially not for being a veteran. Like someone else said seniority should count for something. Also, I dont know if you are in the current bmoc waiting, but you will quickly realize that most of the other people in bmoc with you have never done a day on patrol, so that is pretty much the standard. I would say about half of my class were inside people who probably did a few months on patrol and then went to their detail. So not everyone is a supercop, you cant expect that, especially as a boss, you can just hope you have a squad of decent guys and girls who will do what they have to do.
waiting, why dont you take a ride to walter reed and look at the veterans. every guy that signed up for the military took a chance on his own life to protect his country. veterans that volunteer allow us to continue to live sheltered lifes away from the draft and with are families. what do they get in return, stop loss and people who forget about there sacarfice, i bet you dont mind celebrating veterans day going to a bbq, because it benifets you. common guy you got to be better than that
This is about a promotion, not about an exam. If you want to compare who did better on the test, go for it. But when it comes to promotion years of experience, and medals mean something. Yea, anyone can be a good or bad boss irrelevant of time on the job, experiences, blah blah blah. But the more time you have on the more experiences you'll have, no matter where you work and that gives you more tools to be an effective boss. Unlike residency credits, time on the job and medals is something that you can correlate to being a better boss.
LOL,........You guys are funny,.....I woke up to laughs,...that's good!!! Jaggedj,...you should definitely get a shield for that!!!!! However, that's not me? How' MANY? Everyone uses that slogan,...KEEP it coming!
FYI!!! On a promotional exam veterans do not receive 5 points but 2.5 points get your facts straight. 5 points are awarded to veterans on an open competitive exam and not on promotional exams. To belittle the accomplishments and sacrifices made by those who have TIME ON THIS JOB and THOSE WHO SERVED THEIR COUNTRY is absolutely RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You guys are funny. I prefaced my comments about the veteran credits with saying that I appreciate and respect everything they have done, so get off your soapbox 10mtn. And not for nothing not every person who was in the military served 2 tours overseas so tone it down a notch. All I was doing was making an observation about all of the points that go into the overall grading of an exam. And MN50 why would I be the boss to give the rookie the overtime over the senior guy? Experience and time on the job are worlds and worlds apart and anyone who wants to argue that its not go ahead. Like I said in prior posts, what experience does a guy who has been making copies at omap for 10 years have over a cop who has been doing patrol in the 73 for 5 years? Thats what I'm saying. If a guy went over seas fighting in a war, then yes, 5 points, do it. But what about the guy who did zilch, nothing, nada. The military has the hairbags too so don't be misguided. Every single persons tone here would change if they were number 850 on the LT list and died behind number 849 who had a raw score 5 points lower than theirs. Its an open conversation people, lets try to have fun here and not get our panties in a bunch okay 10mtn and MN50. I think you guys are wearing your thongs to tight in the north.
LeatherNeck,, take a breath big guy, nobody "belittled" the achievments and sacrifices of the military personel. I was only making an observation. calm down
LOL,........You guys are funny,.....I woke up to laughs,...that's good!!! Jaggedj,...you should definitely get a shield for that!!!!! However, that's not me? How' MANY? Everyone uses that slogan,...KEEP it coming!
Nassau you are making assumptions that guys with time on the job are all in cushy details while other guys are out there making gun collars every night. You calm down. You are also making assumptions on military personnel which is not your place to do because the individual who signs up for military service for a contract of 8 years, which is the standard military contract does not know whether his fate is peace or war because those times can change in an instant as they did for me and thousands of others who joined the military in peace and served honorably in WAR TIME after SEPTEMBER 11, 2001. Don't make generalizations about people because they may have had a lower raw score than you. No one here is charged with making policy on this job and you must play by rules that are in place.
nassau yes there is alot of hair bags on our job but if you ever spent any time in the military you would realize that they get weeded out or change there attitude quickly once there in. As far as guys getting over on this job, sure it upsets me but what can you do. I also believe guys that have time deserve the senority points they went through 911 that should count for something. the bottom line is everybody that passed is going to get made so who cares. you also tell me to get off my soap box, i am speaking from experience not from tv. i am done trying to explain this. The list is going to go fast and i wish evryone the best of luck
i think the seniority points are giving to veteran members to encourage them to take the exam. i speak of veteran nypd members not armed forces veterans. it is done with the presumption that there experience can be an asset within the ranks.
The only one who has their panties in a bunch is you my friend because no one agreed with you, you said we are having a conversation about the topic you brought up, so you figure there are going to be differing opinions and not everyones going to agree with you. I hear what your saying that its not fair that a guy who was a do nothing for 10 years gets extra points over the guy who did patrol in a busy house for 5 years, but the points are awarded for seniority not experience. I would go as far as to say that guys who lack experience shouldnt be allowed to take the test, but that would have excluded me, I worked in a busy house but at the time I took the test I had three years, and i'm a boss at five years, there are plenty of people who say that is not enough time or experience to be a good boss or a boss in general. But of course these are just opinions. Dont forget there are also plenty of do nothings with five years and less and alot of them were in bmoc with me.
OK. OK. I'm obviously on my own on this one, so I digress and will gracefully bow out. I apologize to any military personel who I may have offended, that was not my intention. By everyones reactions here I seem to have hit a nerve and I am man enough to admit when I was wrong. So good luck to all and stay safe.
Relax pal, no one is biting your head off here, we're just having a conversation. Everyones entitled to their opinion, no one is wrong or right here. I also forgot to point out that just because you work in a busy house doing patrol it doesnt necessarily make you experienced, there are plenty of cops who work in busy places on patrol who are complete scammers, do-nothings, and retards in general.