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Don't tell me that people are trying to protest the continous event question because they used the term sodomy. I'm down for working with everyone on what questions to protest, but lets be real here. That wouldn't go anywhere. That question was very straightforward and straight out of the P.G., including the term "sodomy", which the guide reminds you that the penal law changed to criminal sexual act, but the guide never did. My patrol guide is up to the minute and the term sodomy is all over it.

that was not must suspent because paa was patron did not have any business interest, cap and above can suspend for patronizing not sgt.

Thank you! Let's get over the PAA question, it's put to bed already - it couldn't be clearer, it's in black and white - you can't read too much into it - she was patronizing the damn place and there was gambling going on, end of story, SUSPENDED. Let's move on to other questions

can anyone remind me what the last Q. of the test was??? can't even remember???? (That DNA Q was out of left field!!!) Regarding the CIMS Q... the story made it clear that there was no need for water rescue, which would fall under PD. Also, if it was suspicious it would be PD only. Now, what if it was BK bridge?? triboro police has nothing to do with that!!! There was no mention that they had jurisdiction. It was a collapse, enclosed case rescue scenario. FD only.

Why do you guys constantly keep putting up tne content in these questions.  I really don't understand, especially for you guys bodering on a 70.  Your killing your own chances of being hired by giving these military guys the major info on what to key in on.  Please do yourself and the rest of us a favor of not giving away the test that most of us busted our fvckin asses on.

Folks,

'SHADOW' is right, stop posting details about the questions. Stop arguing the answers if you have not looked it up to confirm it. Your causing confusion, giving others an unfair avantage and arguing answers in the hopes it is correct without looking them up.

Everyone should only post a question number and a reply stating if the answer was determined to be correct from the patrol guide.
This answer key was helpful to have an "idea on how we did" on the exam. If your borderline passing, dont panic, wait for the FINAL DCAS list.

Is a 65 considered borderline????  Im going nuts here!!!

I think we can talk privately on here about questions .....or just email each other...for the pple that don't have a screenname I don't think you can send private messages.....

Okay...Question 75 is Improper. Legal Bureau Bulletin Vol.33, No.4 states:

Subject: Search and Seizure

Question: May the Police establish a vehicle checkpoint primarily motivated by general crime control ends?

Answer: No, according to the New York State Court of Appeals in the case of People v. Jackson, 99 N.Y.2d 125 (2002)

I don't know that the "Letter" choice was but I know it was IMPROPER cuz of this. So, they need to change this answer on the answer key here.

Will those of you posting full detals of the questions and answers please EDIT your postings and delete the info. Stop giving the exam away. If you have a question, private message someone on this board with specifics. There is a reason it takes over a month to get your results...THERE ARE MORE PEOPLE TAKING THE EXAM!!!

-- Edited by Joker at 17:57, 2008-01-29

PEOPLE STOP GIVING AWAY THE TEST, SOME PEOPLE WORKED HARD AND THEY ARE RIGHT ON THE 70 MARK, IF THESE PEOPLE THAT DIDNT TAKE THE TEST PUT THESE ANSWER TOGTHER THEY WILL MAKE HARD FOR THOSE WHO PASSED WITH A 70 TO GET  MADE.

RELAX! No one is dying on a Sgt list anytime soon. If you got a 70 and pass you will be promoted, if you didnt get a 70 thats your fault and no one elses. And lets not be to naive here, if you think that guys taking the military test aren't in contact with other people not on this board who took the test and getting questions and answers you are OUT OF YOUR MIND!!!! So whats done is done, I don't agree with guys posting up questions and answers either, but its really not going to kill me either way. If I passed I will be promoted, if I didn't I won't. Very simple. Worry about your answer sheet and what you did, not what other guys are doing.

It never stated in the question Orange County NY.  I thought it was Orange County NJ.  There for, the MOS would have to call Ops., what ever that choice was, I believe D.  This question should be a good one to protest/have thrown out. And yes I am one of those bordering on a 70.

Not sure if it said he lived in Orange County, just that he lost his shield there.

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Don't tell me that people are trying to protest the continous event question because they used the term sodomy. I'm down for working with everyone on what questions to protest, but lets be real here. That wouldn't go anywhere. That question was very straightforward and straight out of the P.G., including the term "sodomy", which the guide reminds you that the penal law changed to criminal sexual act, but the guide never did. My patrol guide is up to the minute and the term sodomy is all over it.

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Takeitease: I am not trying to discredit you or your preparation for the exam, and i belive you when you say your guide is up to date, but in regards to "Sodomy" and the Patrol Guide, Interim Order 43 dated 9/6/07 changes "Sodomy" to "Criminal Sexual Act", as you stated, but if you read further on in the Interim Order, particularly page 4 of 9, number 5 at the top of the page states:

"New York State Penal Law Sections 130.40, 130.45 and 130.50 formerly entitled 'Sodomy' have been renamed 'Criminal Sexual Act'. Therefore, wherever the term 'Sodomy' appears in the Department Manual, replace with the term 'Criminal Sexual Act.'"

That is verbatum from the Interim Order.  Just to remain vague, i will not go into the question or my intentions with it.

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Ok guys I must admit I love all of the controversy and speculation that exploded on this site immediately on completion of the test. It's great! I will say though I really am not putting all my eggs in the basket of these "answer keys".  Now the point of my post is to chime in on the sodomy issue. I think the point we are missing is that sodomy changed in the penal law NOT in the english language. By that I mean the act of sodomy is still sodomy (keep in mind the term itself does not imply an force it could also be concentual). The charge, if somone forcibly sodomizes another for example, is now called criminal sex act. The body of a question could use the term sodomy and still be valid. You just can't charge anyone with sodomy anymore. Like one of the degrees of rape is forcible rape which really is forcible intercourse but you don't charge forcible intercourse ya know? Anyway thats my take on it. I won't reveal anything about the question or the answer but do you guys kind of get my meaning? Am I wrong? Anyway like I said thats been my take on it.

*****STOP POSTING QUESTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!All of you that worked hard studying long hrs for 6 months.....think twice before putting ur questions.....its not the question if u will make the list....its more about seniority.....u will be losing ur seniority to the people ur giving questions...to.....so dont complain if u cant get the holidays or summer off.....its ur doing.......also no disrespect to the military guys....i served my time as well.....just dont think its fair.....and if there are a lot people that pass this exam which I think since it was straight forward.....then those with low marks.....watch out......u giving out questions and answers might.....mean cutting u off the list and studying again......for the same test.......so STOP POSTING QUESTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There are at least two additional Orange counties in the States. One in California, and one in Florida. The question did not specificly stated about NY. This would be an excellent question to Protest.

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There are at least two additional Orange counties in the States. One in California, and one in Florida. The question did not specificly stated about NY. This would be an excellent question to Protest.

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The complete list of states with an Orange county is:
California
Florida
Indiana
New York
North Carolina
Texas
Vermont and
Virginia
In case anyone wanted to know.

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TakeItEase wrote:

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Don't tell me that people are trying to protest the continous event question because they used the term sodomy. I'm down for working with everyone on what questions to protest, but lets be real here. That wouldn't go anywhere. That question was very straightforward and straight out of the P.G., including the term "sodomy", which the guide reminds you that the penal law changed to criminal sexual act, but the guide never did. My patrol guide is up to the minute and the term sodomy is all over it.

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Takeitease: I am not trying to discredit you or your preparation for the exam, and i belive you when you say your guide is up to date, but in regards to "Sodomy" and the Patrol Guide, Interim Order 43 dated 9/6/07 changes "Sodomy" to "Criminal Sexual Act", as you stated, but if you read further on in the Interim Order, particularly page 4 of 9, number 5 at the top of the page states:

"New York State Penal Law Sections 130.40, 130.45 and 130.50 formerly entitled 'Sodomy' have been renamed 'Criminal Sexual Act'. Therefore, wherever the term 'Sodomy' appears in the Department Manual, replace with the term 'Criminal Sexual Act.'"

That is verbatum from the Interim Order.  Just to remain vague, i will not go into the question or my intentions with it.

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Ok guys I must admit I love all of the controversy and speculation that exploded on this site immediately on completion of the test. It's great! I will say though I really am not putting all my eggs in the basket of these "answer keys".  Now the point of my post is to chime in on the sodomy issue. I think the point we are missing is that sodomy changed in the penal law NOT in the english language. By that I mean the act of sodomy is still sodomy (keep in mind the term itself does not imply an force it could also be concentual). The charge, if somone forcibly sodomizes another for example, is now called criminal sex act. The body of a question could use the term sodomy and still be valid. You just can't charge anyone with sodomy anymore. Like one of the degrees of rape is forcible rape which really is forcible intercourse but you don't charge forcible intercourse ya know? Anyway thats my take on it. I won't reveal anything about the question or the answer but do you guys kind of get my meaning? Am I wrong? Anyway like I said thats been my take on it.

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I understand what you are saying, but we do not police based on the english language, we police based on what the law and the guidelines set forth by this department dictate. Therefore when we are tested, we are tested on the law and the dept guidelines and according to both, sodomy is gone, at least for our purposes in the NYPD.

That being said, there isn't a cop out there who doesn't know the meaning of "sodomy". If you got the question wrong it wasn't because they used the word sodomy in it.

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That being said, there isn't a cop out there who doesn't know the meaning of "sodomy". If you got the question wrong it wasn't because they used the word sodomy in it.

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Not necessarily, maybe someone got the question wrong because they thought they were being tested on their knowledge on this years interim orders.

What's the answer for #64? There are 2 different answers on the both answer keys. Verify people!!

What question was the DNA??????

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What question was the DNA??????

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Interim order 45 of 05