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Fifth Class (5)


You guys think theres a decent shot at a September class? I hope so! 



-- Edited by Papi825 on Thursday 24th of August 2023 01:19:32 AM

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I really hope so and hopefully its another 85+ SGT since the Summer is wrapping up

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Expected Sergeant vacancies after 08/25/23 class ?

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I really hope so and hopefully its another 85+ SGT since the Summer is wrapping up


 Hopefully man



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sgt historical

Email time / month year / sgt count

19:14 Aug-23 85
23:07 Jul-23 85
17:11 Jun-23 50
19:28 May-23 50
21:12 Apr-23 1
20:05 Mar-23 2
20:16 Feb-23 1
21:30 Jan-23 3

19:04 Dec-22 107
19:34 Nov-22 30
19:30 Oct-22 50
19:41 Sep-22 75
20:15 Aug-22 31

Sharing this, so someone else can keep track if they want to.

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Whoever is cookin up the finest messages is a man or woman of habit lmao

Guess well see September 23rd how many more go in. Also hearing first LT class goes in at the end of the month

edit: i read that wrong lol. I thought u meant the 23rd



-- Edited by tomSGT2022 on Tuesday 29th of August 2023 06:03:11 PM

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No names, but from what unit have you heard about LT class? We still dont have the list

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tomSGT2022 wrote:

Whoever is cookin up the finest messages is a man or woman of habit lmao

Guess well see September 23rd how many more go in. Also hearing first LT class goes in at the end of the month

edit: i read that wrong lol. I thought u meant the 23rd



-- Edited by tomSGT2022 on Tuesday 29th of August 2023 06:03:11 PM


 That seems like a bit of a stretch. I think its more realistic for the first LT class to go in October. But hey, anything is possible lol. 



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sgt historical

Email time / month year / sgt count

19:14 Aug-23 85
23:07 Jul-23 85
17:11 Jun-23 50
19:28 May-23 50
21:12 Apr-23 1
20:05 Mar-23 2
20:16 Feb-23 1
21:30 Jan-23 3

19:04 Dec-22 107
19:34 Nov-22 30
19:30 Oct-22 50
19:41 Sep-22 75
20:15 Aug-22 31

Sharing this, so someone else can keep track if they want to.


 Thanks for the info bro! 



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Can I demote myself from Detective back to PO since POs are going to top pay sgt and Detective aren't

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So P.Os with 5.5+ years on the job getting promoted after August will be making 106K or 118K as Brand New Rookie Sergeants in BMOC ? I keep hearing different things

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I heard theyll be top pay. Idk tho, I know a few guys in this bmoc, Ill ask to see whats up.

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I heard theyll be top pay. Idk tho, I know a few guys in this bmoc, Ill ask to see whats up.


 They are getting top pay I spoke to 2 people in BMOC they confirmed it.



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Yup PO top pay, Det still step 5. Confirmed

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How much time in rank as Detective do you have? Or how much in rank will you have when you get promoted to Sgt? pretty sure Detectives with over 5 years in rank go to top pay still. I reached out to labor relations and they told me I will go to top pay.



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I heard theyll be top pay. Idk tho, I know a few guys in this bmoc, Ill ask to see whats up.


 They are getting top pay I spoke to 2 people in BMOC they confirmed it.


 The guys i know in there told me the same thing. 



-- Edited by Papi825 on Friday 1st of September 2023 01:02:51 PM

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How much time in rank as Detective do you have? Or how much in rank will you have when you get promoted to Sgt? pretty sure Detectives with over 5 years in rank go to top pay still. I reached out to labor relations and they told me I will go to top pay.


 From what Ive been hearing, yes you go straight to top pay. 



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When is the next promotion the 22nd or 29th?

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My source says 29th, 229 names cleared.

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Any predictions on class size? I like the pace theyre currently going at? Another class of 85?

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My source says 150.

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Haha

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My source says 29th, 229 names cleared.


 Yea ok lol



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You guys keep saying that new SGTs that just graduated BMOC go straight to TOP PAY. Is the TOP PAY you guys are referencing about 118K or is it a lower amount than that ?

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Its Top Pay on the current Pay Chart which is 118,000

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Thank You TAKETHEDAY . I am only a couple classes away so salary wise do you think its more beneficial for the SBA to settle then get promoted or would it be better to get promoted in the next month or two, go to current Top Pay and then contract settling after the fact ?

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You should absolutely take the promotion lol. They are trying to sort it out as we speak, so that the new first step will be barely more than what a top pay PO makes now. If you get promoted before the SBA settles, then you probably jump to the last step before top pay when they settle their contract* however they decide to work it out. And like he said youll be at 118K base pay in the meantime

Basically, take the promotion, make way more money your first 4 years in rank before you hit top pay



-- Edited by tomSGT2022 on Tuesday 5th of September 2023 05:35:42 PM

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Realistically speaking, how much longer do you guys think it will take for them to settle?

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You should absolutely take the promotion lol. They are trying to sort it out as we speak, so that the new first step will be barely more than what a top pay PO makes now. If you get promoted before the SBA settles, then you probably jump to the last step before top pay when they settle their contract* however they decide to work it out. And like he said youll be at 118K base pay in the meantime

Basically, take the promotion, make way more money your first 4 years in rank before you hit top pay



-- Edited by tomSGT2022 on Tuesday 5th of September 2023 05:35:42 PM


 Yes take the promo right now last step before top pay is like 105,600 cops make 105,200 i think. So taking the promo now you would go to 118,000 and most likely be held there for 5 years until the new top pay is decided.  If the new step 1 becomes 105,600 or something close to that then thats what youll get which is a $13,000 difference and the PBA will have 109,000 base next August so youll still make less then cops come next summer. Unless the SBA negotiates a higher step 1 which I highly doubt, Always take the promo, and I would imagine they settle by end of month, the city definitely hates giving people Top pay so trust me this situation will most likely expedite things

But this is all just my opinion, I havent heard any actual info



-- Edited by Taketheday on Tuesday 5th of September 2023 05:53:11 PM

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Yea that makes sense

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Once settled, new sgts will be a couple hundred dollars more than what the top pay for PO will at the end of their contract (I believe they will be around 109k) to avoid future issues.

And to what someone posted above, take the promotion regardless of all this top pay mix up, everyone wouldve took it at 96k, why play roulette when we have no idea what the SBA will do.

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Taketheday. your information is in accurate . 

 

If your a police officer with 5.5 yrs in rank you go to step 6 sgt pay ( TOP PAY 118k base salary) and thats it. Your grandfathered into the sba contract as a top pay sgt WHICH MEANS when they settle the new contract whatever TOP PAY is then you also will be there. The only thing you dont get is the 5 yrs service differential that the sba worked into their last contract which is approximately 1200 a year ( sort of like pba nco pay)

the above also applies to DETECTIVES WITH 5 yrs in RANK OR MORE. 

 

IF YOU WERE A DETECTIVE WITH LESS THAN 5 YRS IN RANK OR A P.O. WITH LESS THAN 5.5 YEARS ON you go to to STEP 5 SGT and your stuck at that step for 5 yrs. So whatever the new step 5 sgt pay scale is for the new sba contract you automatically go to that and are stuck there for the next 5 yrs. 

This information was confirmed and corroborated by Labor Relations after conferral with City Payroll. SBA also confirmed this information is accurate. 



-- Edited by 497CRUSADERS on Tuesday 5th of September 2023 07:06:28 PM

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Taketheday. your information is in accurate . 

 

If your a police officer with 5.5 yrs in rank you go to step 6 sgt pay ( TOP PAY 118k base salary) and thats it. Your grandfathered into the sba contract as a top pay sgt WHICH MEANS when they settle the new contract whatever TOP PAY is then you also will be there. The only thing you dont get is the 5 yrs service differential that the sba worked into their last contract which is approximately 1200 a year ( sort of like pba nco pay)

the above also applies to DETECTIVES WITH 5 yrs in RANK OR MORE. 

 

IF YOU WERE A DETECTIVE WITH LESS THAN 5 YRS IN RANK OR A P.O. WITH LESS THAN 5.5 YEARS ON you go to to STEP 5 SGT and your stuck at that step for 5 yrs. So whatever the new step 5 sgt pay scale is for the new sba contract you automatically go to that and are stuck there for the next 5 yrs. 

This information was confirmed and corroborated by Labor Relations after conferral with City Payroll. SBA also confirmed this information is accurate. 



-- Edited by 497CRUSADERS on Tuesday 5th of September 2023 07:06:28 PM


 Ok so if you get Top Pay now you go to the new Top Pay when the contract is settled. Even more reason why I think this will get settled ASAP if the new top pay is lets say 155,000 they definitely do not want new SGT getting that pay 5 years too early



-- Edited by Taketheday on Tuesday 5th of September 2023 07:12:28 PM



-- Edited by Taketheday on Tuesday 5th of September 2023 07:16:06 PM

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Once settled, new sgts will be a couple hundred dollars more than what the top pay for PO will at the end of their contract (I believe they will be around 109k) to avoid future issues.

And to what someone posted above, take the promotion regardless of all this top pay mix up, everyone wouldve took it at 96k, why play roulette when we have no idea what the SBA will do.


 Is this info you heard from anyone or just your opinion as well because that would be best case scenario for all SGT not at top Pay



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This is information was relayed to us day 1 at the current BMOC by labor relations.



-- Edited by 497CRUSADERS on Tuesday 5th of September 2023 07:33:34 PM

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If you get promoted before the SBA ratifies and you qualify to be at top pay your won the lottery take it and be happy. Theres sgts with 4 yrs in rank and your making more than them day 1 out the gate. Same with people going to step 5 sgt. Take it and be happy you get to skip steps. Unless your going to gamble if your a detective with less than 5 yrs in rank and go down to the puzzle palace, raise your right hand and voluntarily demote yourself back to Police Officer . Not sure how thats going to fly but hey wont know until you try.

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Unless your going to gamble if your a detective with less than 5 yrs in rank and go down to the puzzle palace, raise your right hand and voluntarily demote yourself back to Police Officer . Not sure how thats going to fly but hey wont know until you try.


 Crazy that this may seem like a good idea. 



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Do you think theyll hold promotions before they ratify ?

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No, they know about this discrepancy since before the list came out. The SBA sent email forecasting this happening and still monthly promotions, with the two most recent 85.

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Agreed. The City/ SBA both knew the current PBA salary and requirement to give a promotion raise, and still promoted 3 classes to step 4 pay and 1 class to top pay. A few hundred top pay Sgts wont bankrupt the city in the grand scheme of things. The reality is the job is very short Sgts, and they will still need to promote. Dont think theres cause for concern there.

Lets hope for a September class, and big one at that. Obviously as mentioned any PO promoted before the sgts settle will be at top pay, which is a huge game changer for our financial situations.

Lionel, KeyCapt and any others with a history of solid Intel please keep us posted!

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Agreed. The City/ SBA both knew the current PBA salary and requirement to give a promotion raise, and still promoted 3 classes to step 4 pay and 1 class to top pay. A few hundred top pay Sgts wont bankrupt the city in the grand scheme of things. The reality is the job is very short Sgts, and they will still need to promote. Dont think theres cause for concern there.

Lets hope for a September class, and big one at that. Obviously as mentioned any PO promoted before the sgts settle will be at top pay, which is a huge game changer for our financial situations.

Lionel, KeyCapt and any others with a history of solid Intel please keep us posted!


 Amen 



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Sincerely trying to figure this one out. 



-- Edited by watcher5 on Friday 8th of September 2023 05:37:37 PM



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Have a feeling they might skip some sergeants classes to get this squared away.


 Hope not 



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A lot of rumors going around of LTs getting promoted this class at the end of the month. Would that mean that a larger amount of sgts will get made to make up for the guys becoming LTs?

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A lot of rumors going around of LTs getting promoted this class at the end of the month. Would that mean that a larger amount of sgts will get made to make up for the guys becoming LTs?


 It honestly has no bearing the last few classes from the 2016 list were almost the same they would do 50 SGT 50 Lt but the fact that there alot of vacancies means they probably will do more SGT

 



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Does anyone have any Intel? Im hearing the possibility of not promoting sergeants for a while. Just rumors but it would be awesome if someone has Intel. Thanks.

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@watcher5 can you get a life and quit trolling? All you do is post nonsense. No one finds it funny.

I know you like to get a rise out of people and get us amped up so Im not putting fuel to the fire. But everyone just know this dude is a loser who has nothing better to do.

Some of us are here because we actually take getting promoted seriously and are here for valuable Intel.

The worst part of this job is truly the people inside of it..

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How exactly did he troll with that question? if anything, youre the one posting nonsense.

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Settle down pal

If you have been part of this forum and actively reading the past few months he has been trolling for a while. Even admitted to it and how he gets a kick out of it.


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Anyway. Enough noise from the arguing children.

Hopefully we get a Lionel or keycapt update soon

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