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Im voting a HELL YEAA

Quit whining, sign it and move on

DeptIsaJoke wrote:

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You didn't get a good deal you clowns. You got what you were supposed to get years ago, and you're happy with it now. You waited so long that it looks "good". You're the victim of over 20k Grand Larceny. If someone steals 20k from you bank account in the future, dont report it based on your logic.

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 Hahah I love it! 

The idea is to let them settle first, then we negotiate ours.

A lot of people getting hyped over something that could have, and should have, been brought to us years ago. Even you "senior sgt" fucks got screwed over, but you're still slurping it up like Vinny's good lap dogs. The raises were set in stone when the PBA settled theirs. 12-hr tours are still a pilot programs for all ranks, and honestly were never a real threat to these negotiations. I get 5 months of retro top pay, fucking aces bro. So let me ask you sloppy dumb fuck senior bosses: why should I be happy with this? And by this I mean, why should I be happy that my union sandbagged me for years just to present the same thing every other rank has? Why should I be happy when you fart inhalers voted for the contract before this which made it 5 steps to top pay with pattern raises? I am in a good gig now with a few years left, but man I'm going to take the next LT test just to say I retired in the LBA instead. This union is fucking awful, if you even want to call it a union, its just another city agency at this point.

I say vote no just to fuck with your pension interest even more.

DeptIsaJoke wrote:

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You didn't get a good deal you clowns. You got what you were supposed to get years ago, and you're happy with it now. You waited so long that it looks "good". You're the victim of over 20k Grand Larceny. If someone steals 20k from you bank account in the future, dont report it based on your logic.

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 Absolute clowns.  Probably delegates.

Give back your retro thatll show them.  How about every rookie sergeant gives the extra $20k in salary alone (plus OT, plus retro) they made to one of the 1200, we will see how that goes over and whos whining then.

You cant convince me that Vinny didnt lie to us about the city trying to sneak in the 12 hour tours last minute.  Nothing about that story made sense and the city rightfully denied it.  Vinny lied and pretended he negotiated us out of it to distract from fucking over half the union.

 

New SGTs now start at $119,617 that is $10k more than a Top Pay Cop, when cops were at $86,500 SGTs were at $97k so its the same difference, this doesnt hurt any unborn whatsoever. Additionally, these unborn get promoted to a fair salary with no additional give backs Unlike 1200 of us where we went in giving up an extra year to top pay. The 1200 now are rightfully at Top Pay, making the same as everyone else in Rank at the current moment, instead of a situation where the rookie top pay Sgt go to a new top pay while we have to catch up. The only retro the rookie top pay SGT is the difference btwn $118k & $130k/$134k, its really not that much. In the end, yes 1200 SGT still got the shit end of the stick, losing out on, well in my case, approx $60k in retro, and not just the retro, the years of interest on that money, but theres no one to blame but the SGTs who voted in 2021, and if youre one of them in here, you should be ashamed of yourself to think 1-2% yearly raises justified adding an extra step & settling before PBA. So dont take your anger out on the contract now, like I said before its fair even though Ive lost out, Im more focused now on the future, being able to support my family, you want to make that lost retro back, take the money & put it into stocks while theyre low because in 2 years itll double. I dont do deferred comp, I invest on my own & its worked out a lot better than what DC did for me. 

Has anyone received the email to vote?

LGB2024 wrote:

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Has anyone received the email to vote?

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 Tomorrow 

Voting no. Someone find a class action lawyer.

There are 4119 SGTs as of today. Even if all 1274 of you vote no, itll still pass, youre proving nothing to no one.

There was crying going on for months. Its settled. Very good contract and no real givebacks.

WartimeConsigliere wrote:

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This contract will pass. Not a chance in hell it doesnt. Hell, the lousy deal the city offered us last year would have passed, majority of this union are at top pay and just want their retro no matter what.

I just went through it for three years out of contract. Up to my eyes in debt and uncompensated job responsibilities. Because of when I got promoted. Im not seeing a day extra of top pay, which is gonna end up being two years less than the six year wonder changing next to me in the locker room. Tens of thousands of dollars. Im gonna end up getting paid LESS than my previous rank over the past three years. Doesnt matter to me if its only 3K. Im going to have to stay past twenty to get my numbers right.

I had no illusions that this would be fixed. But I hate the fact that the union, the mayor, the PC and everyone else are celebrating as though it was.

Plenty of guys who would have been stuck in the steps are going to make out ok. And Im glad for them, I am. But what kind of a goddamn cuckold would I be if I voted yes to this deal that does nothing for me except get me and people like me the pattern raises- which have been zeroed out because of inflation- that every other union got? My vote wont matter and we aint getting a better deal, I know this. But Ill be damned if this contract is gonna pass unanimously.

Ill be a no vote. Same as I was in 2021. And the contract will pass. Just like it did then.

-- Edited by WartimeConsigliere on Friday 18th of April 2025 03:13:41 AM

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My thoughts exactly.  The responses of the people not in our boat are pretty telling.  There is zero brotherhood in this union and nobody cares that were getting fucked because its not them.  Im happy all these rookie sergeants are going to top pay because I will always prefer for the money to be in a cops pocket than city coffers.  I just wish the rest of them felt the same about us.

No1isbetter wrote:

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I am in that very same sinking boat as you both, I respect everything youre saying & I can get behind it all, I will admit I am the very example of what the Union tried to accomplish, the desperate SGT whos needs the money enough to vote yet even though hes missing out on $50k+. I will never support Vallelong nor ever vote for him. Great they got us a half year of top pay retro, there shouldve been atleast a full year. Im just curious to know why we wouldnt be able to win a class action?

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 Cite the civil service law that requires sgts to be paid more than cops? In fact look at the contract. You knew the steps involved with your contract, you walked across the stage agreeing to those terms. Now terms changed after you signe and agreed to the deal making your terms be a bad investment, simply put now new promotees were signing contracts a lot more lucrative then yours. Thats no one fault not even your own. You simply made an agreement at a time where you thought was the right call but ended up w the shittiest deal. 

if you dont understand what Im getting at then you simply must look at this as buying a car. If another buyer 5 months later gets ur car for 20k less can you just return your car and say I want their deal? No bc contract law doesnt allow it. You guys have zero lawsuit but hey Im just a guy on the internet

From another guy on the internet, agreed, pretty sure contract law prevents a successful class action. Im curious about the grievance process, though- I know similarly situated sergeants have had success with it in the past. Dont really know where to start with it though.

No need to explain, man, you are correct on all points. Most of us have spent the better part of two decades in an environment where perps get five or six figure settlements after taking legitimate collars, crooks in 1pp make hundreds of thousands in unearned OT and get away with it, and now we are subject to a contract which enriches some while leaving others paid much less than they reasonably expected to be paid. It is a bitter pill to swallow- the union and its membership should not expect us to smile while we take it.

-- Edited by WartimeConsigliere on Friday 18th of April 2025 12:52:14 PM

Truth has always been the most professional & level headed person on this board & Ive always respected his opinions & information. I also agree with you in a sense that, many that came before us, voted in their best interest only, as will the ones who came after us. As I said before, its hard to argue this isnt a good contract in terms of pay, percentages, & evening the playing field, but I argued & continue to argue the catastrophe the 2021 contract was. For those who did vote no in 2021, I respect you & that was honorable of you, those who voted yes, youre out for yourselves only.

-- Edited by No1isbetter on Friday 18th of April 2025 12:59:48 PM

I am not part of the Sba. I am quite above the sgt rank wise. I have been part of many screwed contracts. I have received the short end on many. I have also gained from a few. My posts arent meant to stir opinion one way or another. I post im just a guy on the internet in a manner that states my opinion is no more or less important than yours. The one thing I have going for me to help you is that Im not mixing emotion into the equation. When youve been screwed you get emotionally involved and that can lead to bad decisions. To me a bad decision is spending money on a lawsuit bc you cant separate emotion from facts w the law. I want every cop up to chief to succeeed on this job and gain whatever personal gain they seek from this job whether its money or actually changing something. In the end though you have to realize that a majority of this job is selfishness and what benefits them. But thats human nature in general. I wish you the best with whatever choice you make

What was the deal when Sgt's sued last time and won that class action? Different situation or similar?

Anybody here involved with that one and have some insight?

I agree the 1200+ are likely shit out of luck. A bunch will vote no on principle. And a bunch will vote yes because they're on full tilt with money. Everybody has different situations. SBA started this problem years ago, and really still hasn't fixed it.

Take a test. Leave the rank. That's really what you should be looking forward to as a sgt.

How nice was his parents basement that he lived in to put off a raise for years? Dopes that we are, should have predicted that two contracts in, we would end up with a deal that pays Sergeants less than cops for the first time ever. Shouldve prepared for that.

Bklynsouth3020 wrote:

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Play the game better. I know a PO who deferred his promotion to detective for years. When the PBA settled he got a 6 figure retro and then took his promotion.
He played the city and didnt let the city play him. Everyone on here could have deferred the promotion. And not make 97k.

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 This is actually inaccurate, not the idea in general, but most of 2021 & 2022 promotions were from the 2017 list that was expiring, so it was either take promotion or study again & hope to score high enough not to lose more time. No one predicted this would happen so Im sure 100% of the people of the 2017 list that had the choice to take promotion or take another exam, took the promotion. 

Delegate just said ballots will go out Monday.

I was promoted december 2019 and did all years on 97k so i really had the end of the stick and im not here complaining. all i did was take the test to keep moving up and still wsiting to be promoted and if there someone that should be voting no is me but at this point i dont care i endure sll years snd so my vote will be yes iam 2 loan down the drain tired of living check by check and swiming in debt i need a retro to pay some of my loans and even out so i csn retire in 3 years im not even wsiting to be top pay Lt im the heck out!!!! Not bc i dislike the job but bc its too easy to loose it all now a day... it doesnt even have to be your mistske to get fired and most of the time even if you do the right choice now i days u get fired F that. Im out

I mean are you surprised. The PC goes after the easy targets. Gets her marching orders from mayor swagger. Shes a puppet and at worst a spoiled brat with zero experience. A liberal democrat with no real world experience that was earned. She will do nothing to help this job, shell fuck it up worse then it already is and then ask her daddy to get her a new toy to play with

-- Edited by Tier3scum on Sunday 20th of April 2025 12:01:15 PM