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y3nsid · Newbie

RE: Vinny is a bad union prez, the contract is lukewarm, this is something that could have been signed off on years ago

No1isbetter · Guru

All I got out of that was lets all vote no so we can get a higher retro while many of us starve to death fuck that. Were making $158k thru the door, this was far better than I couldve imagined.

Xchris176 · Senior Member

y3nsid wrote:
ChuckTaylor wrote:
FelonyOutstretched wrote:
The city did not "give" anything. The city won the retro battle with the millions they saved by not paying 1.5 years of top pay retro to 1200 Sgts because our union is not good at bargaining.

Sergeants promoted after July 2023 were not only paid $22,000 more in real time than Sergeants promoted before them, they'll also receive more straight time retro than them for the same period. There's the savings.

I'm happy for all my coworkers that will finally make some/more money here, but don't think your union made a good deal. It took them 2 years of the city making interest on your money to settle the exact same deal all the other unions already settled. Two years of pretending they had never heard the words "12", "hours", or "tour" just to take a pilot program and identical raises anyway, lmao.

-- Edited by FelonyOutstretched on Monday 21st of April 2025 09:54:30 PM
Its insane. This thread is full of cucks who are happy to get fucked over and trolls who dont give a fuck about anybody but themselves. I cant imagine making out like these rookie sergeants have and not having an ounce of sympathy for the guys that got screwed over. These guys are why the job and the union are in the state that theyre in, nobody looks out for each other and fucks each other over at every opportunity. They must be god awful supervisors.
You're right I really feel bad for the people who scored 40's on the 2017 exam, and furthermore if it wasn't for a global pandemic those guys that got "screwed over" would still be running a sector car and probably would have failed the 2022 exam... again.

Lmao exactly, fail Sgt complainers

-- Edited by Xchris176 on Wednesday 23rd of April 2025 01:12:14 PM

TransitCop · Senior Member

Everyone promoted in second half of 2022 basically failed and only got promoted due to covid but that doesnt mean much on this job. But yeah your comments definitely reflect one way fuckery of this job and people on it.

FelonyOutstretched · Veteran Member

There seem to be some Day 2 Sgts with no integrity talking smack in here, lol. If a higher test score made you a better supervisor, we wouldn't have any white shirts getting fired for molesting cops or demoted for squashing index crimes. You hiding in the bathroom of the Javits Center on the phone with your mom looking up patrol guide answers doesn't make you better than the guys that were taking the Sergeants test while you were still a civilian. Relax guys.

-- Edited by FelonyOutstretched on Wednesday 23rd of April 2025 02:51:03 PM

-- Edited by FelonyOutstretched on Wednesday 23rd of April 2025 02:53:08 PM

VetteCop · Senior Member

TransitCop wrote:
Everyone promoted in second half of 2022 basically failed and only got promoted due to covid but that doesnt mean much on this job. But yeah your comments definitely reflect one way fuckery of this job and people on it.

And you know what they're called at roll call? Sergeant.

Most lower scoring sgt's are better than the higher scoring ones in my experience. I said what I said.

The contract is fine, but it's two years too late - and it 1000% sold out the 1200. A sergeant is a sergeant. You have a ranking system based off test score? That's not how this works, except for vacation picks.

Xchris176 · Senior Member

FelonyOutstretched wrote:
There seem to be some Day 2 Sgts with no integrity talking smack in here, lol. If a higher test score made you a better supervisor, we wouldn't have any white shirts getting fired for molesting cops or demoted for squashing index crimes. You hiding in the bathroom of the Javits Center on the phone with your mom looking up patrol guide answers doesn't make you better than the guys that were taking the Sergeants test while you were still a civilian. Relax guys.

-- Edited by FelonyOutstretched on Wednesday 23rd of April 2025 02:51:03 PM

-- Edited by FelonyOutstretched on Wednesday 23rd of April 2025 02:53:08 PM

Lmao

turk_the_finest · Member

This is exactly why our union is in incompetent hands. One disagreement and we already started tearing one another down on a public forum. You all have a vote. Click yes or no depending on your personal situation and move on.

Nyc507 · Veteran Member

Once the voting ends may 5th. Does that mean the contract is ratified? Or is there additional steps that need still take place.

-- Edited by Nyc507 on Wednesday 30th of April 2025 12:54:19 AM

ItCouldBeWorse · Veteran Member

Nyc507 wrote:
Once the voting ends may 5th. Does that mean the contract is ratified? Or is there additional steps that need still take place.

-- Edited by Nyc507 on Wednesday 30th of April 2025 12:54:19 AM

That's it, SBA will email a signed contract to OLR, OLR will endorse it on their end, then let use know when to expect payment so that we can adjust our personal deductions. (Def. Comp, etc) Expect union dues to go up within 12 months.

LGB2024 · Veteran Member

Im not sure if this was mentioned before, but can anyone confirm wether we will see the raise in our check prior to the retro?

GangGreenMets · Senior Member

Unfortunately I think its after the retro, at least thats what I hear. Hopefully Im wrong.

Tuhin55 · Newbie

Will see the raise prior to retro

Tier3scum · Senior Member

The raise should take effect about 2 pay periods after its ratified. Id be willing to bet both of my children the retro comes with the holiday check

Bklynsouth3020 · Senior Member

Delegate told me raise should be beginning of June, retro beginning of July. And yea you can bet itll be the holiday check

TicketoutofNarco · Veteran Member

You guys are counting money we dont have yet. There are Sgts out there doing voodoo to curse this.

ItCouldBeWorse · Veteran Member

Vast majority of super senior and rookie Sgts are voting YES. Even if the 1200 voted no, it still passes easily...and most of the 1200 Sgts I spoke to are voting yes. We'll see in a few days.

GangGreenMets · Senior Member

I do not know one Sgt who voted no.

Xchris176 · Senior Member

TicketoutofNarco wrote:
You guys are counting money we dont have yet. There are Sgts out there doing voodoo to curse this.

In god we trust

FelonyOutstretched · Veteran Member

GangGreenMets wrote:
I do not know one Sgt who voted no.

You know me

Futureauxiliary · Guru

Should we be expecting results today or tomorrow?

West72 · Veteran Member

As per the SBA email w Voting instructions:

The polling will open at 12:00 PM EST on April 21, 2025. Voting will end at 12:00 PM EST on May 5, 2025

As everything is digitally tracked. It should not be hard to announce today.
Hopefully with some clarity in regards to pay out dates, etc.

-- Edited by West72 on Monday 5th of May 2025 04:02:23 PM

ItCouldBeWorse · Veteran Member

Today and payment dates by Thursday the latest.

standbyfor63 · Member

Contract was approved with over 90 percent yes vote (in case you were wondering)

No1isbetter · Guru

Outstanding.

ItCouldBeWorse · Veteran Member

Passed. 93.8% in Favor.

Xchris176 · Senior Member

TicketoutofNarco wrote:
You guys are counting money we dont have yet. There are Sgts out there doing voodoo to curse this.

God over all evil.

NYM · Senior Member

90 days to pay from today would put us at Sunday August 3. Retro would be in the Friday August 15 check if they take the full 90 days.

Asmfish · Veteran Member

Does anyone know if the pay raise come before or the same check as the retro?

No1isbetter · Guru

I would expect the Pay raise to take effect June 6 check.

EOT63 · Newbie

Does anyone know if theres a chart out detailing the pay breakdown? Like how much the new OT rate is for day and night rates, anticipate bi weekly paycheck etc.

GangGreenMets · Senior Member

Here you go

No1isbetter · Guru

Is there one with the December raise?

Jopagocks · Veteran Member

GangGreenMets wrote:
Here you go

An entry level Sgt with 10 yrs on will make less than a PO with 10 years on when everything (longevity, holiday, uniform) is factored in? Im seeing that correctly?

irishsaint12 · Newbie

Thats the way it looks to me. Entry level base pay Sgt will make $298 more than top pay base PO. With longevity, neighborhood policing, etc. youll make about $8k less. The question is, which step will we go to upon promotion? Is it calculated off of strictly base pay? Or total compensation?

Nyc507 · Veteran Member

irishsaint12 wrote:
Thats the way it looks to me. Entry level base pay Sgt will make $298 more than top pay base PO. With longevity, neighborhood policing, etc. youll make about $8k less. The question is, which step will we go to upon promotion? Is it calculated off of strictly base pay? Or total compensation?

I think Newly promoted sergeants will start at step 4. 120k

NauseousPBBN · Senior Member

Its off base pay

WartimeConsigliere · Senior Member

Welcome to the party, pal!

No1isbetter · Guru

WartimeConsigliere wrote:
Welcome to the party, pal!

Lmao!

Jopagocks · Veteran Member

NauseousPBBN wrote:
Its off base pay

So newly promoted will be entry. Not step 4?

NauseousPBBN · Senior Member

I know it's shocking but yes

No1isbetter · Guru

I thought it was they all went to step 4 & stayed until they served the years to enter top pay. Also, come December, $109k goes to $114k.

NauseousPBBN · Senior Member

I could be wrong. I thought it went based off of base pay.

WartimeConsigliere · Senior Member

Pretty sure I read/heard that all new promotees start at step 4 and stay there for 5 years. Can kicked down the road until PBA settles and compression issue becomes a thing again. Godspeed

Peewee · Member

NauseousPBBN wrote:
I could be wrong. I thought it went based off of base pay.

For the purpose of placing into a pay scale it goes off of base pay and service differential. Which is why Dets with 5 years in rank were able to go to top pay when they added a step.

VetteCop · Senior Member

newly promoted sgt's will go to step 4 and stay there till top pay.

NauseousPBBN · Senior Member

Are they counting longevity too? Service differential isn't enough alone to go to step 4

Asmfish · Veteran Member

I think thats after the next PBA raise

NYTIMES · Veteran Member

PO top pay is $109,352 plus $2,460 (Neighborhood Policing Diff) for a total of $111,812.
Sgt pay step 3 is $110,175 - therefore Sgts go to step 4, which is $115,016.

That is my understanding.

Thecolikesmen · Member

Why even create a step program were top pay PO makes more money than a Sgt at steps 1-3. Mind you PBA is not even in contract.