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No1isbetter · Senior Member

New SBA Contract

Futureauxiliary · Guru

No1isbetter wrote:
This last email sounds really reassuring. I feel reassured. Truly. Truly reassured

Post it

Tier3scum · Veteran Member

Dear Fellow Sergeant,

We will be meeting with the City in the beginning of May to review their response to our latest contract proposal. As you know the basic wage increases have been agreed to almost a year ago. Many of you have asked why this is taking so long if the salary increases have already been agreed on. The main reason is we are committed to correcting the pay disparity that has occurred between top pay police officers and recently promoted sergeants. We believe that we have offered a realistic proposal to the City to fix a longstanding problem that the SBA did not create.

We are hopeful the City will give us something to bring back for consideration. We cannot allow past adversarial negotiations to be the status quo and I assure you that we are working for the overall betterment of this union going into the future. This Boards utmost allegiance is to the entire membership and under our leadership it will not deviate for active members or retirees.

We believe that the upcoming meeting will be fruitful and that we should be one step closer to alleviating these contractual burdens once and for all. We will keep you apprised of all developments as they occur. Thank you for your support during these challenging negotiations.

Fraternally your useless President,
Vincent Vallelong

LGB2024 · Member

I have been very skeptical thus far but I actually think Uncle Vinny might surprise us all and reach a decent settlement.

UncleC69 · Veteran Member

The Sba has done absolutely nothing to make you think that they have this figured out. They are a bunch of decrepit guys that are out of touch with reality.
The PBA continues to knock it out of the park (deservedly so) but this administration is an absolute joke. I really feel for the poor folks in the 73 and 40. Ive had conversations with just about the entire board over the last few months and I can say they have no business representing 4,000 Sgts let alone being on the job anymore.

The PBA is fighting for tier 3 rights, and I havent heard a peep from the Sba about this. This is absolutely a battle they should be taking on. All of a sudden these cucks care about the unborn but they dont think that the retirement benefits battle is worth taking on is incredibly nearsighted.

If they dont figure it out in the next two weeks its going to be after the summer (you know the sba needs a pause since they are overwhelmed).

At least we have some slightly discounted Hershey Park tickets and the calendar to look forward 2.

22 and a half and out · Member

Very unfortunate that the tier 3 rooks were not restored to 20-year retirement. PBA had us believing that the 20-year retirement would be restored. Hopefully they figure it out as tier 3 guys start approaching the last leg of their careers.

Tier3scum · Veteran Member

I dont even care about the 20 years. Whats the difference really between 20&22. The social security offset is a complete crock of shit. Why does my pension get lowered by my social security ? Thats absolutely ridiculous. The ITHP is another kick in the dick. Theres tier 3 captains on the job now. Its been around since July 2009. Were approaching 15 years of tier 3 people on this job. More than half the dept has to be tier 3. And somehow it still cant get figured out. At least the PBA is trying. The SBA has to be the saddest group of union members this job has seen ever. Absolutely no bark and even less bite. Vin and the gang should be absolutely ashamed of themselves. Makes you wonder how much did they really know about what Mullins was doing for them to be so quiet and accepting of whats happening right now.

-- Edited by Tier3scum on Sunday 21st of April 2024 02:20:56 AM

-- Edited by Tier3scum on Sunday 21st of April 2024 02:21:57 AM

Truthseeker · Guru

Tier 3 wont get 20 years bc the whole point of those provisions were to entice cops to stay 25 or 30 years. Make retirement at 20 years and alot of cops will leave

Nypdnypd3100 · Senior Member

Isnt the 20 year bill in Albany now? I didnt hear that it got shot down already, I follow it on the state website. Where did you get that info from?

NauseousPBBN · Senior Member

Hands down the Social Security Offset is the worst. Im shocked how many people dont even know about it when I mention it. Who cares about this contract or 20 years, this single handedly needs to be number one topic from all unions and members.

-- Edited by NauseousPBBN on Sunday 21st of April 2024 12:42:00 PM

22andOut · Veteran Member

Ive never even heard tier 3 issues being brought up by SBA. Dont think they really care to be honest

Truthseeker · Guru

Dear PBA Member:

Im writing with a major update on our fight to obtain pension enhancements as part of the states budget process.

This week, the Legislature introduced its Fiscal Year 2025 budget legislation. Thanks to the PBAs intensive advocacy efforts including nearly 30,000 emails sent to legislators by PBA members I am proud to announce that the following PBA-backed pension enhancements are INCLUDED in the budget:
Tier 3 Three-Year Final Average Salary: the budget restores the three-year final average salary calculation for Tier 3 members hired since 2012 (Tier 3 Revised) and Tier 3 Enhanced members who retire for disability. Previously, the Tier 3 Revised final average salary was based on a five-year period. Under this budget legislation, all Tier 3 members will have their final average salary calculated using their best three-year period. The shorter calculation period will result in an increased pension payment for most Tier 3 members.
25/30 Year Pension Enhancements: the budget will grant both Tier 3 and Tier 2 members who serve at least 25 years in the police officer rank the right to have two years of Third Grade Detective salary included in their final average salary calculation. Members who serve at least 30 years in the police officer rank will have two years of top-pay Sergeant salary included in their final average salary. In addition to enhancing pension benefits for police officers who chose to work past their service retirement minimum, it provides an additional benefit for Tier 3 members who may already be planning to work to 25 years to receive the full escalation benefit.

Tier3scum · Veteran Member

Theres people who are tier 3, that arent rookies and are surprised when I tell them yes we still get overtime in our pension. It blows my mind how unaware some people can be about their future. This is the entire reason we took this job and deal with the nonsense for 22 years. And you dont even care to be educated on what youre owed.

22 and a half and out · Member

I dont think it was shot down.it sounds like the 20 year restoration just didnt pass

Obviously 20 yr retirement would allow cops to leave earlier, but its designed to retain cops, instead of having a large percentage leave this job

Sounds like it hasnt been shot down. Just has to be reworded/resubmitted

NYM · Veteran Member

LGB2024 wrote:
I have been very skeptical thus far but I actually think Uncle Vinny might surprise us all and reach a decent settlement.

Thanks for the good laugh, I needed that. Do you really think Vinny is capable of surprising anyone with this contract? The only suprising thing he has ever done is raise top pay from 4 years do 5 years. Now that was some surprising shit to see.

Edubz · Senior Member

Tier3scum wrote:
Theres people who are tier 3, that arent rookies and are surprised when I tell them yes we still get overtime in our pension. It blows my mind how unaware some people can be about their future. This is the entire reason we took this job and deal with the nonsense for 22 years. And you dont even care to be educated on what youre owed.

cant believe how many of them still think its 22 1/2 to retire. That 1/2 is completely made up. Its 22 or 25.

Tunit · Senior Member

Edubz wrote:
Tier3scum wrote:
Theres people who are tier 3, that arent rookies and are surprised when I tell them yes we still get overtime in our pension. It blows my mind how unaware some people can be about their future. This is the entire reason we took this job and deal with the nonsense for 22 years. And you dont even care to be educated on what youre owed.
cant believe how many of them still think its 22 1/2 to retire. That 1/2 is completely made up. Its 22 or 25.

Ive corrected people on this so many times, that even Im starting to believe that the 1/2 is real.

tomSGT2022 · Veteran Member

No, it actually is true. The broom at 1PP told Me so now i believe its real.

VetteCop · Senior Member

i'd put money nothing happens till September.

SaltyCrimeGuy · Senior Member

Vinny has the city right where he wants them. Theyre so concerned about fixing the compression issue that just for good measure another 65 Sergeants are going right to top pay! Keep fighting the good fight Vinny. We all know youll do right by us sergeants making less than cops and Bmoc Sergeants. Let me run guys, I have 12 more evals to do. Christmas 2030 cant come soon enough for a contract

-- Edited by SaltyCrimeGuy on Friday 26th of April 2024 02:09:10 PM

HopeBoss · Senior Member

SaltyCrimeGuy wrote:
Vinny has the city right where he wants them. Theyre so concerned about fixing the compression issue that just for good measure another 65 Sergeants are going right to top pay! Keep fighting the good fight Vinny. We all know youll do right by us sergeants making less than cops and Bmoc Sergeants. Let me run guys, I have 12 more evals to do. Christmas 2030 cant come soon enough for a contract

-- Edited by SaltyCrimeGuy on Friday 26th of April 2024 02:09:10 PM

But you didnt have to take the test - uncle Vinny

No1isbetter · Senior Member

Can we opt to stop paying Union dues? Because they fucking do nothing for me.

Truthseeker · Guru

Yes you can actually. You still get all your raises. You lose life insurance dental eye and legal representation. Go ahead and call

WartimeConsigliere · Veteran Member

Also Hershey Park tickets.

Skellcity02 · Newbie

Anyone know if we would be entitled to the pension pay bump is we stay 25 or 30 years ? Or is that just PBA ?

Noice · Senior Member

Truthseeker wrote:
Yes you can actually. You still get all your raises. You lose life insurance dental eye and legal representation. Go ahead and call

Dont forget prescription.

A10shun · Senior Member

Heard rumor today of possible lt class may and big class june

Truthseeker · Guru

Yep noice you are correct. Listen everyone wants to blow off steam, but leaving union w the benefits is just plain dumb. You want change then get involved in union and make the change happen. Some of you guys just like posting on an anonymous forum then cant even bother showing up to a union meeting.

No1isbetter · Senior Member

Youre absolutely right Truth.

100questions · Senior Member

BIG SBA UPDATE! The digital newsletter is now available.

UncleC69 · Veteran Member

Ill condense the new SBA digital newsletter.
Absolutely nothing of substance, its just digital now.

Great Job SBA

HopeBoss · Senior Member

UncleC69 wrote:
Ill condense the new SBA digital newsletter.
Absolutely nothing of substance, its just digital now.

Great Job SBA

thats not true, Chell and Daulgtry both said there needs to be uniform standards in the department

El Norte · Senior Member

Skellcity02 wrote:
Anyone know if we would be entitled to the pension pay bump is we stay 25 or 30 years ? Or is that just PBA ?

I was wandering the same thing, does anyone know if this would apply to the sergeant rank as well?

SBA MIA · Member

It only applies to police officers, no other union is included

warnedANDadmonished · Member

That's good, because POs with 25+ years have been assets to the department and usually have high productivity.

El Norte · Senior Member

I guess the logic of retaining experienced supervisors doesnt apply I suppose.

Futureauxiliary · Guru

El Norte wrote:
I guess the logic of retaining experienced supervisors doesnt apply I suppose.

This was most likely made to try and retain cops especially ones nearing retirement. Very rare to see a Sgt, Lt or Capt leave this job and go to another police dept.

NYM · Veteran Member

Here is the SBA news letter. I only included the beginning message about the contract. This is the only time the contract is mentioned in the news letter. Next meeting is Thursday May 23. Again the last meeting is Friday June 28 for the SBA picnic. This will be the last contract update for the summer since the SBA and the city take off July and August. This is assuming that we do not have a contract by that date. Im going to go ahead and assume that we will not.

From The Presidents Desk
May 2024
Dear Fellow Sergeants,
As we stated in last weeks e-mail blast to the membership, we are hopeful that the upcoming meeting with the City in early May will finally bring us close to a contract resolution. We realize how frustrating these negotiations have been for the membership, but please know that this issue remains of most paramount importance to the SBA Board.

We cannot thank you enough for your patience and understanding during this arduous process and we will keep you apprised of all developments as they occur.

It has been just over a month since the tragic line of duty death of Detective First Grade Jonathan Diller. City and state officials continue to display their inept- ness, even as the bloodshed has spread to upstate New York, where Lieutenant Michael Hoosock of the Onondaga County Sheriffs Office and Police Officer Michael Jensen of the Syracuse Police Department were shot and killed responding to the same incident on April 14.

Throughout the country, violence against law enforcement continues unabated. Since the cold-blooded murder of Det. Diller, police officers have been shot and killed in Puerto Rico, Memphis, Chicago, and Ada County, Idaho.

The attitudes and policies of so many elected officials have resulted in embold- ened criminals having no respect for the rule of law in every corner of the country. We commend these fallen heroes for their tremendous dedication and commitment to public safety and we vow to ensure that their legacies live on in perpetuity. They are the finest of the finest and deserve nothing less.

LGB2024 · Member

The SBA is meeting with the city this Friday. We should know by next week what our fate will be.

HopeBoss · Senior Member

Oh boy cant wait for the big SBA meeting today

WartimeConsigliere · Veteran Member

Hooray. If anyone hears anything, please share.

WartimeConsigliere · Veteran Member

Word is no joy. PBA settled last April, for reference.

No1isbetter · Senior Member

Email is out.

Im going to be poor forever.

Dear Fellow Sergeant,

The SBA Negotiating Committee met with the Office of Labor Relations (OLR) today to discuss the Citys latest proposal for the SBAs new contract. As part of the Uniformed Coalition, the SBA has already agreed to the basic wage increases of 3.25%, 3.25%, 3.5%, 3.5% and 4.0% for a 60-month contract that would run from December 10, 2021, through December 9, 2026.

The hold-up has been the pay disparity between newly promoted Sergeants and Police Officers. The disparity has arisen because of the attrition bargaining practices the City has employed over the past 30 years. We have provided the OLR with several proposals that would permanently correct this pay disparity. We did make some progress, but the Citys latest proposal fails to address approximately 1,500 Sergeants who would still be making less than the Police Officers they supervise.

We are committed to securing a contract that corrects this pay disparity once and for all. I know that I have asked for your patience before, and I continue to ask for it so that we can bring back a contract that is fair to all Sergeants. At no time should a Sergeant who is asked to take on more responsibilities ever make less than their subordinates.

This has been stressed throughout these negotiations and the current proposal from OLR does nothing to correct that. We will dissect the numbers in the Citys proposal to determine our next steps.

At this stage, there is a possibility that we will be forced to file for an impasse with the New York State Public Employee Relations Board (PERB). This will take additional time, but we will not allow the City to continue to pay Sergeants less than the Police Officers they supervise.

Thank you for your continued support during these challenging negotiations.

Tunit · Senior Member

My lord. If this goes to PERB, were going to be waiting around for years

TheNarcoRanger · Veteran Member

PERB lol. The numbers are set. This union is a joke

NYM · Veteran Member

If this goes to PERB, most people will be promoted to lieutenant before they get a new contract

sector7 · Senior Member

TheNarcoRanger wrote:
PERB lol. The numbers are set. This union is a joke

The numbers are set for everyone, but the 1500 sergeants who are currently making less than the POs they supervise. Good for the union to not sell out its own current members and find a contract that works for everyone. I am for it, even if it takes time with PERB

Besides, the time PERB will take will basically mean that every new Sgt for the next at least 1 year (probably 2 years) will go straight to top pay and cost the city a ton of money, plus PERB would 100% side with the SBA that supervisors cant make less than subordinates.. it would take more time, but it would be worth it in my opinion

-- Edited by sector7 on Saturday 4th of May 2024 02:10:16 AM

NauseousPBBN · Senior Member

I am not a fan of the SBA in anyway but they are doing exactly what people have asked them to do. To compare than to the PBA as if they didn't have members waiting for 7 years is insane.

In the meantime, 600+ Sergeants went straight to top pay, while it might not effect you, its a win against the city.

NYM · Veteran Member

I will give Vinnie credit here. Ive given the union a lot of shit on here and sent them a lot of emails. This is the first time I have seen him single out the 1,500 sergeants who are getting screwed right now. He is actually fighting for us to get the pay we deserve. I will give him major credit for stepping up to the plate. Now its just a waiting game until the city budges. Maybe filing a grievance with PERB will make them budge.

Tunit · Senior Member

All valid points being shared. Seems like they are making the right move here.