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Its the same shit every month. This date is the next meeting, this date is the next meeting, this date is the next meeting, and nothing accomplished and no information from Union itself. No response letting us know where we stand with the city and how this refusing 12 hour tours will effect the process and our pay. Remember those numbers, $134k June & $140k December, because the city will change those #s in spite of refusing 12hr tours.

Just put out a poll on the website for all Sgts, either Yes or No to 12 hour tours. Simple.

If we were to accept 12 hour tours. Anyone on a 5-2 chart would lose their 27 chart days they build throughout the year. Essentially taking a $15,000 pay cut. But sure lets just accept it without any addition compensation.

DIRT_Squad wrote:

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If we were to accept 12 hour tours. Anyone on a 5-2 chart would lose their 27 chart days they build throughout the year. Essentially taking a $15,000 pay cut. But sure lets just accept it without any addition compensation.

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 I'll repeat, let's put it to vote. We're a union...right?

Its just such a weak plank to negotiate on.

12 hour tours- which the PBA fought FOR, which lieutenants accepted without a fight the union is saying sergeants- specifically sergeants and no one else- cant do the same 12 hour tours that everyone else is doing because reasons.

From the outside looking in it must really seem absurd.

Add the fact that smart money has the whole pilot program getting canned by the PC shortly, and its yet another WTF, SBA situation.

SBA, The worst nypd union period! Put the fuking contract to vote, I am sure 80% of this union will be voting yes. These fuking dinosaurs want to continue making the final decisions for the majority of its union members. Stop stalling and put it to vote.

Here is a line of thinking I would like our representatives to present to the mediator and the city, and I genuinely would like to hear the counter argument.

I was promoted to sergeant. I did not expect to become wealthy or do less work than I previously did at the rank of PO. From the day of my promotion, I expected to receive a higher base salary than the people I supervise and am responsible for. I further expected to receive the same or more in base salary than those promoted after me.

Were these unreasonable expectations?

Also need to drop the annual "we're on track for Christmas" so we can get our hopes up that'll we'll have more finances for ourselves and our families.

I think this year marks the third Christmas since the initial prediction.

Keep up the good work SBA - this is totally and completely the city's fault and you have no culpability whatsoever. 

Has it ever occurred to anyone that the City definitely is negotiating in bad faith?

Last contract round the union was bashed for accepting shitty contract, many blamed retro greedy members. This time they are trying not to do the same and now everyone wants to to just settle and take whatever the city shoves down your throat? I am no fan on union but make up ya mind.

According to SBA President Vallelong despite ongoing rumors there will be a large promotion to the rank of Sergeant on April 25,2025. Due to the lack of promotions of the past few months this class will consist of 275 newly promoted Sergeants who will be the last class to go straight to top pay. After this class he suspects the contract will be settled and the pay difference will even out throughout the rank. Despite further rumors SBA will not be going to 12 hour tour no matter how hard the city pushes. This is unsafe and does not benefit the membership. He did verify that this list will be cut at some point but would not give a list number in which he feels is safe. Anther breaking news WhatsApp post.

LOL my WhatsApp group text says no Sgt promos till October. If only there were some way for the Union to communicate officially with its members

I have maybe 1-2 years left in this rank but I fully support this & really root for you guys to put together a team that takes this piece of shit out, if Im still in rank by then, you have my vote

I googled the by laws. I did not see anything about a vote of no confidence which is unfortunate. But I did read something about the president the board are supposed to keep the members updated on these matters. Which they clearly arent. Also if no one challenges these clowns. We really are a pathetic union. I think the time has come where the delegates need to get signatures together of those who think we should just have the membership vote on whats being offered to us right now including the 12 hour tours. Clearly this board doesnt care what we have to say. But maybe if they just see how many people are disgusted with their shit and antics and selfish ways. We can put a flame to their ass and force them to ask us what we, the membership, want.

chalking it up that by the time it comes around a lot of us won't even be in this rank and eligible to vote for the union and/or contract... probably their plan.

Other than the 13 directors and board members there cant be a single Sgt thats happy with whats going on. This needs to be done now. The entire board needs to go- no one from the current board can/should replace Vinny. If you think Vinny is incompetent, just wait till you have a chat with the VP. Dont blow this off.

To challenge the board, you need the support of 10 delegates. To run for a board position, you must be a delegate and have served in that role for at least a year. After Mullins, the board went unopposed because no director or delegate saw it as an issue. The current cycle ends in June 2026. While a challenge is unlikely, someone could step up and contest the board however this needs to start now.

Not true, but indeed, most people here are on their way out via promotion or retirement or desperate for news, or some combination. Election eligibility information is good to have out there and googleable when the only other source is the very union that needs to be shaken up.

Your delegate may or may not be a good person who takes their job seriously- but they need to be held to account and willing to stand up to the board if things are bad off.

Anyone participating in this thread or lurking for info needs to know that the only way to have an election in the first place is to have a delegate willing to run in office by THIS summer- which means starting the process of having elections for delegates NOW.

Allegedly there is an emergency SBA board meeting tomorrow at noon.

My delegate 

I hope it leads to some good news.

Fedup69 wrote:

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Why is my delegate saying its fake news. Whos the troll

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 Probably a new delegate 

VetteCop wrote:

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There is a meeting tomorrow. Confirmed with a high level rep. Unknown what it's for but we can all hope for the best.

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 Maybe one of the trustees/higher level reps are aging out and they plan on grandfathering someone else in. As always, we get zero info.