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WartimeConsigliere · Senior Member

Vinny is a bad union prez, the contract is lukewarm, this is something that could have been signed off on years ago

Testtakertastetester · Member

FelonyOutstretched wrote:
Truthseeker seems to be one of the hardest yes voting company men on here. Another way of saying what you're writing is "you should have known that your coworkers would sell you out before you got promoted and then again after you got promoted."

Somehow these clowns think it was an unfair assumption to believe that the union we were joining would legally fight for us to be paid more than if we had never been promoted in the first place. And the "bad investment" you're saying we agreed to is the same exact deal that Sergeants promoted 1.5 years after us agreed to, but this unions incompetence benefited them and hurt us.

At the end of the day, you and every other yes voting SBA member sold out your coworkers in 2021 and received absolutely nothing in return. And now you're selling out the same coworkers in 2025.

Take your money and enjoy it. But don't pretend it's "the job" and "the city" fucking other cops. It's you.

If you weren't a sergeant in 2021, you're going to do better with this new contract than the guys that were already sergeants then. Those guys had to do 4 years to hit top pay. They dont get any extra benefit from this new contract. The guys that were promoted late 2021 to early 2023 all go to top pay without having to do the full 4 or 5 years. That sounds like a win to me. Obviously it'd be great if everyone went straight to top pay when they get promoted. But it didn't happen with this proposed contract and I don't see how it'll happen now.

Point is, the SBA messed up but I'm still voting yes. With the cost of everything up 20% from 2021 to now, this raise is the only way I can continue to keep a roof over my family's heads and food on the table.

No1isbetter · Guru

Bklynsouth3020 wrote:
Play the game better. I know a PO who deferred his promotion to detective for years. When the PBA settled he got a 6 figure retro and then took his promotion.
He played the city and didnt let the city play him. Everyone on here could have deferred the promotion. And not make 97k.

This is actually inaccurate, not the idea in general, but most of 2021 & 2022 promotions were from the 2017 list that was expiring, so it was either take promotion or study again & hope to score high enough not to lose more time. No one predicted this would happen so Im sure 100% of the people of the 2017 list that had the choice to take promotion or take another exam, took the promotion.

3testwonder · Senior Member

Does this voting start today?

WartimeConsigliere · Senior Member

Delegate just said ballots will go out Monday.

3testwonder · Senior Member

Thank you

nychelper · Member

I was promoted december 2019 and did all years on 97k so i really had the end of the stick and im not here complaining. all i did was take the test to keep moving up and still wsiting to be promoted and if there someone that should be voting no is me but at this point i dont care i endure sll years snd so my vote will be yes iam 2 loan down the drain tired of living check by check and swiming in debt i need a retro to pay some of my loans and even out so i csn retire in 3 years im not even wsiting to be top pay Lt im the heck out!!!! Not bc i dislike the job but bc its too easy to loose it all now a day... it doesnt even have to be your mistske to get fired and most of the time even if you do the right choice now i days u get fired F that. Im out

PD2FD · Guru

nychelper wrote:
I was promoted december 2019 and did all years on 97k so i really had the end of the stick and im not here complaining. all i did was take the test to keep moving up and still wsiting to be promoted and if there someone that should be voting no is me but at this point i dont care i endure sll years snd so my vote will be yes iam 2 loan down the drain tired of living check by check and swiming in debt i need a retro to pay some of my loans and even out so i csn retire in 3 years im not even wsiting to be top pay Lt im the heck out!!!! Not bc i dislike the job but bc its too easy to loose it all now a day... it doesnt even have to be your mistske to get fired and most of the time even if you do the right choice now i days u get fired F that. Im out

I agree with you! The one star Chief that just got fired was just doing what anyone else would have done. He was signing off on OT slips as per the Chief of Department. Instead of firing Lt.Epps or Chief Diddy, the department uses him as the scapegoat and destroyed his reputation/career.

Tier3scum · Senior Member

I mean are you surprised. The PC goes after the easy targets. Gets her marching orders from mayor swagger. Shes a puppet and at worst a spoiled brat with zero experience. A liberal democrat with no real world experience that was earned. She will do nothing to help this job, shell fuck it up worse then it already is and then ask her daddy to get her a new toy to play with

-- Edited by Tier3scum on Sunday 20th of April 2025 12:01:15 PM

PD2FD · Guru

Tier3scum wrote:
I mean are you surprised. The PC goes after the easy targets. Gets her marching orders from mayor swagger. Shes a puppet and at worst a spoiled brat with zero experience and a democrat. She will do nothing to help this job, shell fuck it up worse then it already is she then ask her daddy to get her a new toy to play with

Not surprised at all! She's another politician that doesn't deserve her position.

Make Merit Matter Again!

Waiting too long · Veteran Member

Same here, let me know where to sign up

WartimeConsigliere · Senior Member

Ballots open 1200 hrs.

DeptIsaJoke · Veteran Member

Truthseeker is actually not a seeker of Truth. The Truth is 1,200 Sgts, got shafted as the union did NOT look after their best interests. So the assumption that those 1,200 sgts should vote yes and move on for the greater good of the other sgts who it worked out well for, is the dumbest thing I ever read on this thread.

If it was those 1,200 sgts whom only benefited from this contract, there would be a different tune in here.

Vinny is buffoon and somehow found a way to be worse than Pat Lynch. If you are 1 of those 1,200, you know how you should vote, it will pass anyway.

TransitCop · Senior Member

I have not received voting email yet only union telling me that they went out. Union cant even get this voting right I see.

FelonyOutstretched · Veteran Member

Yea what Dept said is correct. I've already voted "no". When you look through the "documents" the SBA attached to the vote, you'll also notice it's just a summary typed up by the SBA and not a copy or even excerpt from the actual contract.

Even if I didn't already know I was getting fucked, how could I vote yes in good conscience when the SBA has never clarified what scale the 1200 will be paid at from day of promotion until December 2024? They only posted a pay scale for Sergeants promoted after December 2024, we're just assuming that we'll be paid at what the "new" step 1 was at the time (a difference of $982.55).

ChuckTaylor · Senior Member

Feels great. Fuck the SBA

No1isbetter · Guru

Yeah you all showed them.

Gabagool · Member

You guys are still crying? Vote and move on, we all know even if you vote no its going to pass.

sector7 · Senior Member

DeptIsaJoke wrote:
Truthseeker is actually not a seeker of Truth. The Truth is 1,200 Sgts, got shafted as the union did NOT look after their best interests. So the assumption that those 1,200 sgts should vote yes and move on for the greater good of the other sgts who it worked out well for, is the dumbest thing I ever read on this thread.

If it was those 1,200 sgts whom only benefited from this contract, there would be a different tune in here.

Vinny is buffoon and somehow found a way to be worse than Pat Lynch. If you are 1 of those 1,200, you know how you should vote, it will pass anyway.

I am one of those 1200 and I voted yes. I also would not shame anyone for how they voted. It is a personal choice.

For me I did the math and I think it is a fair contract. Would I have liked to see better retro numbers, yes of course. Do I think the SBA did a good job, no I feel they dragged their feet and this contract could have been accomplished last summer. However I am going to top pay and I am getting top pay way sooner than I should be. So although the retro is not great, I am getting way more money over the next few years that I was not getting before.

and in terms of truthseekers comment, his 635 posts on this board in my eyes has given him the right to give his opinion. He gave plenty of POs waiting to get made the inside intel. Something he did not have to do. Back when I was waiting to get promoted trolls started spreading false info for their personal entertainment truthseeker would come in and be a reliable source.

tomSGT2022 · Senior Member

Im surprised the city even wanted to put anyone not at top pay retroactive to December. Thats 4 months of retro as if they were at top pay. The city never gives anything.

But with that being said everyone is entitled to vote yes or no. Its their opinion on if its fair or not and some people got burned so hard they refuse to vote yes.

FelonyOutstretched · Veteran Member

The city did not "give" anything. The city won the retro battle with the millions they saved by not paying 1.5 years of top pay retro to 1200 Sgts because our union is not good at bargaining.

Sergeants promoted after July 2023 were not only paid $22,000 more in real time than Sergeants promoted before them, they'll also receive more straight time retro than them for the same period. There's the savings.

I'm happy for all my coworkers that will finally make some/more money here, but don't think your union made a good deal. It took them 2 years of the city making interest on your money to settle the exact same deal all the other unions already settled. Two years of pretending they had never heard the words "12", "hours", or "tour" just to take a pilot program and identical raises anyway, lmao.

-- Edited by FelonyOutstretched on Monday 21st of April 2025 09:54:30 PM

DeptIsaJoke · Veteran Member

It seems like only you get it. This is why cops are always broke. Financially illiterate.

Truthseeker · Guru

Dept is a joke.you are taking what I said out of context. I simply stated theres no legal recourse in my opinion. I never said anything about 1200 Sgts not being shafted. Being shafted is different than being shafted illegally. If you want to throw money at a lawyer when u have the chance to be revictimized by these lawyers be my guest. I know very how the fees add up and if you think they care about you then as I said to each their own. Im simply a guy trying to get you to take emotion of the equation. If you can do that and still want to sue then so be it more power to you

countryroads · Senior Member

Regardless of how you vote, please vote ASAP and tell all your buddies at work to vote ASAP too. The faster the votes get in, the faster it gets ratified.

GangGreenMets · Senior Member

When the contract is ratified on the 5th does anybody know when the new pay scale will take effect?

tomSGT2022 · Senior Member

Edit: im not even gonna say what i should say

lets just vote and move on

-- Edited by tomSGT2022 on Monday 21st of April 2025 10:07:02 PM

FelonyOutstretched · Veteran Member

Lol. TomSgt conveniently forgetting that the people that scored higher than him have been frozen at Step 5 since their promotion and are getting fucked out of their retro.

We know you didn't create the problem by benefiting from it. You are part of the problem though, because you'll continue to vote "yes" on whatever smooth-brain contract these elderly SBA board clowns put in front of you for the rest of your career.

We already knew a high Sgt test score does not equate to intelligence. Who knew it didn't even equate to reading comprehension level.

Xchris176 · Senior Member

ChuckTaylor wrote:
Feels great. Fuck the SBA

Lmao

tomSGT2022 · Senior Member

Youre absolutely correct. I hope this contract atleast works out for you and your family if voted in. Sorry bro

Xchris176 · Senior Member

tomSGT2022 wrote:
Edit: im not even gonna say what i should say
lets just vote and move on

-- Edited by tomSGT2022 on Monday 21st of April 2025 10:07:02 PM

the job is alive baby 160!!

No1isbetter · Guru

Showwwwww meeee the monayyyyyy

LGB2024 · Veteran Member

So Im assuming we should expect to see the retro on the second check in July???

Futureauxiliary · Guru

LGB2024 wrote:
So Im assuming we should expect to see the retro on the second check in July???

Expect to see it with the Holiday pay. City always wins.

VetteCop · Senior Member

"Remember the 1200."

Xchris176 · Senior Member

VetteCop wrote:
"Remember the 1200."

Amazing

-- Edited by Xchris176 on Tuesday 22nd of April 2025 01:53:16 PM

TransitCop · Senior Member

I cast my NO vote. It wont matter but at least these fucks need to know that not all of us taking this as a win.

DeptIsaJoke · Veteran Member

DeptIsaJoke · Veteran Member

The great debate of our time: Who was the worst union president? Pat Grinch or Vinny Schlong.

-- Edited by DeptIsaJoke on Tuesday 22nd of April 2025 02:13:14 PM

WartimeConsigliere · Senior Member

At least Paddy brought us pizza.

Tier3scum · Senior Member

Id have to say lynch is the worst. He let tier 3 happen under his watch. And never fixed anything besides us paying into 3/4. And the only reason I believe he even tried to fix it a little was because of his kids are in it

Thecolikesmen · Member

Vote NO. Do not give him the satisfaction of saying this contract was so good, it was approved by 99% of the rank at a presser.

ChuckTaylor · Senior Member

FelonyOutstretched wrote:
The city did not "give" anything. The city won the retro battle with the millions they saved by not paying 1.5 years of top pay retro to 1200 Sgts because our union is not good at bargaining.

Sergeants promoted after July 2023 were not only paid $22,000 more in real time than Sergeants promoted before them, they'll also receive more straight time retro than them for the same period. There's the savings.

I'm happy for all my coworkers that will finally make some/more money here, but don't think your union made a good deal. It took them 2 years of the city making interest on your money to settle the exact same deal all the other unions already settled. Two years of pretending they had never heard the words "12", "hours", or "tour" just to take a pilot program and identical raises anyway, lmao.

-- Edited by FelonyOutstretched on Monday 21st of April 2025 09:54:30 PM

Its insane. This thread is full of cucks who are happy to get fucked over and trolls who dont give a fuck about anybody but themselves. I cant imagine making out like these rookie sergeants have and not having an ounce of sympathy for the guys that got screwed over. These guys are why the job and the union are in the state that theyre in, nobody looks out for each other and fucks each other over at every opportunity. They must be god awful supervisors.

y3nsid · Newbie

ChuckTaylor wrote:
FelonyOutstretched wrote:
The city did not "give" anything. The city won the retro battle with the millions they saved by not paying 1.5 years of top pay retro to 1200 Sgts because our union is not good at bargaining.

Sergeants promoted after July 2023 were not only paid $22,000 more in real time than Sergeants promoted before them, they'll also receive more straight time retro than them for the same period. There's the savings.

I'm happy for all my coworkers that will finally make some/more money here, but don't think your union made a good deal. It took them 2 years of the city making interest on your money to settle the exact same deal all the other unions already settled. Two years of pretending they had never heard the words "12", "hours", or "tour" just to take a pilot program and identical raises anyway, lmao.

-- Edited by FelonyOutstretched on Monday 21st of April 2025 09:54:30 PM
Its insane. This thread is full of cucks who are happy to get fucked over and trolls who dont give a fuck about anybody but themselves. I cant imagine making out like these rookie sergeants have and not having an ounce of sympathy for the guys that got screwed over. These guys are why the job and the union are in the state that theyre in, nobody looks out for each other and fucks each other over at every opportunity. They must be god awful supervisors.

You're right I really feel bad for the people who scored 40's on the 2017 exam, and furthermore if it wasn't for a global pandemic those guys that got "screwed over" would still be running a sector car and probably would have failed the 2022 exam... again.

No1isbetter · Guru

All I got out of that was lets all vote no so we can get a higher retro while many of us starve to death fuck that. Were making $158k thru the door, this was far better than I couldve imagined.

Xchris176 · Senior Member

y3nsid wrote:
ChuckTaylor wrote:
FelonyOutstretched wrote:
The city did not "give" anything. The city won the retro battle with the millions they saved by not paying 1.5 years of top pay retro to 1200 Sgts because our union is not good at bargaining.

Sergeants promoted after July 2023 were not only paid $22,000 more in real time than Sergeants promoted before them, they'll also receive more straight time retro than them for the same period. There's the savings.

I'm happy for all my coworkers that will finally make some/more money here, but don't think your union made a good deal. It took them 2 years of the city making interest on your money to settle the exact same deal all the other unions already settled. Two years of pretending they had never heard the words "12", "hours", or "tour" just to take a pilot program and identical raises anyway, lmao.

-- Edited by FelonyOutstretched on Monday 21st of April 2025 09:54:30 PM
Its insane. This thread is full of cucks who are happy to get fucked over and trolls who dont give a fuck about anybody but themselves. I cant imagine making out like these rookie sergeants have and not having an ounce of sympathy for the guys that got screwed over. These guys are why the job and the union are in the state that theyre in, nobody looks out for each other and fucks each other over at every opportunity. They must be god awful supervisors.
You're right I really feel bad for the people who scored 40's on the 2017 exam, and furthermore if it wasn't for a global pandemic those guys that got "screwed over" would still be running a sector car and probably would have failed the 2022 exam... again.

Lmao exactly, fail Sgt complainers

-- Edited by Xchris176 on Wednesday 23rd of April 2025 01:12:14 PM

TransitCop · Senior Member

Everyone promoted in second half of 2022 basically failed and only got promoted due to covid but that doesnt mean much on this job. But yeah your comments definitely reflect one way fuckery of this job and people on it.

FelonyOutstretched · Veteran Member

There seem to be some Day 2 Sgts with no integrity talking smack in here, lol. If a higher test score made you a better supervisor, we wouldn't have any white shirts getting fired for molesting cops or demoted for squashing index crimes. You hiding in the bathroom of the Javits Center on the phone with your mom looking up patrol guide answers doesn't make you better than the guys that were taking the Sergeants test while you were still a civilian. Relax guys.

-- Edited by FelonyOutstretched on Wednesday 23rd of April 2025 02:51:03 PM

-- Edited by FelonyOutstretched on Wednesday 23rd of April 2025 02:53:08 PM

VetteCop · Senior Member

TransitCop wrote:
Everyone promoted in second half of 2022 basically failed and only got promoted due to covid but that doesnt mean much on this job. But yeah your comments definitely reflect one way fuckery of this job and people on it.

And you know what they're called at roll call? Sergeant.

Most lower scoring sgt's are better than the higher scoring ones in my experience. I said what I said.

The contract is fine, but it's two years too late - and it 1000% sold out the 1200. A sergeant is a sergeant. You have a ranking system based off test score? That's not how this works, except for vacation picks.

Xchris176 · Senior Member

FelonyOutstretched wrote:
There seem to be some Day 2 Sgts with no integrity talking smack in here, lol. If a higher test score made you a better supervisor, we wouldn't have any white shirts getting fired for molesting cops or demoted for squashing index crimes. You hiding in the bathroom of the Javits Center on the phone with your mom looking up patrol guide answers doesn't make you better than the guys that were taking the Sergeants test while you were still a civilian. Relax guys.

-- Edited by FelonyOutstretched on Wednesday 23rd of April 2025 02:51:03 PM

-- Edited by FelonyOutstretched on Wednesday 23rd of April 2025 02:53:08 PM

Lmao

turk_the_finest · Member

This is exactly why our union is in incompetent hands. One disagreement and we already started tearing one another down on a public forum. You all have a vote. Click yes or no depending on your personal situation and move on.