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BobbyBocs · Member

List coming out

Allout · Senior Member

35amonth wrote:
Example:

Mike got a 66 on test day. Picked up 3 throw outs and is at a 69. The NYPD adds his seniority (2), JST (1), and medals (.5). Mike is now at a 72.5 in step 3. The job sends his seniority, JST, and medals to DCAS- his adjusted score will be curved at his raw score of 66 and list will be in the high 70s. Adding him as another person to the 885 list.

Jill- got a 59 on test day. She picked up 1 throw out, putting her at a 60. The NYPD adds her seniority (5), JST (1), and medals (.5). Jill is now at a 66.5 in step 3. In step 4 DCAS applies the curve with Jills 60, putting her at a 69. She will not receive the 6.5 points the NYPD adjusted and not make the list.

-- Edited by 35amonth on Sunday 19th of November 2023 05:10:47 PM

This was actually pretty detailed

Taketheday · Guru

Allout wrote:
35amonth wrote:
Example:

Mike got a 66 on test day. Picked up 3 throw outs and is at a 69. The NYPD adds his seniority (2), JST (1), and medals (.5). Mike is now at a 72.5 in step 3. The job sends his seniority, JST, and medals to DCAS- his adjusted score will be curved at his raw score of 66 and list will be in the high 70s. Adding him as another person to the 885 list.

Jill- got a 59 on test day. She picked up 1 throw out, putting her at a 60. The NYPD adds her seniority (5), JST (1), and medals (.5). Jill is now at a 66.5 in step 3. In step 4 DCAS applies the curve with Jills 60, putting her at a 69. She will not receive the 6.5 points the NYPD adjusted and not make the list.

-- Edited by 35amonth on Sunday 19th of November 2023 05:10:47 PM
This was actually pretty detailed

Jill must be pissed

El Norte · Senior Member

Good morning, 35amonth did give an excellent detailed example for the information about the grading system. If you scroll down a bit you will see someone said said something different that conflicted with the example, which is basically why I revisited the question. That other dude posting the weird stuff is EDP no one can disagree on that one. He said shift commander which none of us use, so it made me believe that hes not on this job but finds time to come and throw in crazy shit, who has this much time. I hope you got a high grade or pick up a bunch of points. My long post was just venting about how ridiculous they have made this process for us. It was definitely a little bit long I admitted to that. Soon people soon.

Bklynsouth3020 · Senior Member

The route the last sgts list took taught me that there are no rules. Dcas/ nypd make it up as they go. However, the rule was supposed to be jst, longevity, medals dont count unless you got a 70 first. That contradicts what 35 a month wrote for example #1. Regardless, they can do whatever they want. As long as its applied to everyone then its fair.

TheNarcoRanger · Veteran Member

Allout wrote:
35amonth wrote:
Example:

Mike got a 66 on test day. Picked up 3 throw outs and is at a 69. The NYPD adds his seniority (2), JST (1), and medals (.5). Mike is now at a 72.5 in step 3. The job sends his seniority, JST, and medals to DCAS- his adjusted score will be curved at his raw score of 66 and list will be in the high 70s. Adding him as another person to the 885 list.

Jill- got a 59 on test day. She picked up 1 throw out, putting her at a 60. The NYPD adds her seniority (5), JST (1), and medals (.5). Jill is now at a 66.5 in step 3. In step 4 DCAS applies the curve with Jills 60, putting her at a 69. She will not receive the 6.5 points the NYPD adjusted and not make the list.

-- Edited by 35amonth on Sunday 19th of November 2023 05:10:47 PM
This was actually pretty detailed

I thought the curve is applied after throw outs and not before as your score with throw outs is technically your true raw score? In the first example you have the curve being applied to a score without throw outs? Not nitpicking just curious if thats actually the case

El Norte · Senior Member

Im sure that this is where the source of confusion is coming from. Some people said Raw score was on test date, others said raw was after throw outs.

Nyc5000 · Senior Member

Your raw score is after throw outs. Throw outs are basically just questions you had right on test day that dcas messed up.

Username · Member

TheNarcoRanger wrote:
Allout wrote:
35amonth wrote:
Example:

Mike got a 66 on test day. Picked up 3 throw outs and is at a 69. The NYPD adds his seniority (2), JST (1), and medals (.5). Mike is now at a 72.5 in step 3. The job sends his seniority, JST, and medals to DCAS- his adjusted score will be curved at his raw score of 66 and list will be in the high 70s. Adding him as another person to the 885 list.

Jill- got a 59 on test day. She picked up 1 throw out, putting her at a 60. The NYPD adds her seniority (5), JST (1), and medals (.5). Jill is now at a 66.5 in step 3. In step 4 DCAS applies the curve with Jills 60, putting her at a 69. She will not receive the 6.5 points the NYPD adjusted and not make the list.

-- Edited by 35amonth on Sunday 19th of November 2023 05:10:47 PM
This was actually pretty detailed
I thought the curve is applied after throw outs and not before as your score with throw outs is technically your true raw score? In the first example you have the curve being applied to a score without throw outs? Not nitpicking just curious if thats actually the case

Logic would say, curve would be applied after throwouts/double answers, its not your fault the question was poorly written. Therefore post throwout/double answer is your true score, before any adjustments (longevity/medals/JST). Doesnt make sense to get .231 (or whatever the number is) and still pick up the points for a throwout/double answer. That being said, its the NYPD, and Im not a subject-matter expert.

Nyc5000 · Senior Member

The very first thing applied to the score you walked out with, is the throw outs/double answers.

Ididntmakethecut · Veteran Member

Jst/medals only apply when you reach a 70 unless it changed

Pamooncampus · Member

this. Why would they apply those points if you didnt hit the 70 mark After throwouts and a curve?

Caralho · Senior Member

Does anyone know exactly how much of a curve they are doing? Not estimates based of Sgt or Capt. exam

63_sniffer · Senior Member

Not sure if anyone has asked this yet, but does anyone know when the list coming out?

Taketheday · Guru

Caralho wrote:
Does anyone know exactly how much of a curve they are doing? Not estimates based of Sgt or Capt. exam

Its basically 0.231 points for every wrong answer you have As previously stated. So essentially

someone with a 61 raw would have gotten 39 questions wrong which equals 9.0009 points. Someone with a score of 60 would also pick up over 9.24 points however that is not enough to reach a 70 passing.

keep in mind the curve is separate from the throwouts so hypothetically someone could score say a 56 and pick up 5 throwouts which would put them at a 61 and thus after the curve would end up with a passing score of 70.

63_sniffer · Senior Member

And technically if someone signed into the computer to take the exam and then Immediately left dcas location.. they too might have passed.

-- Edited by 63_sniffer on Tuesday 21st of November 2023 05:37:49 PM

Aeiouy · Newbie

Guys all this back and forth is pointless just wait for the damn list and stop dreaming up dumb what ifs no one knows. More importantly don't let this distract you from the fact that in 1966, Al Bundy scored four touchdowns in a single game while playing for the Polk High School Panthers in the 1966 city championship game versus Andrew Johnson High School, including the game-winning touchdown in the final seconds against his old nemesis, Bubba "Spare Tire" Dixon.

Nypd2532 · Veteran Member

Has anyone received a letter to verify veteran credit? Doesnt that usually take place right before a list comes out?

Bill Parcells · Senior Member

Aeiouy wrote:
Guys all this back and forth is pointless just wait for the damn list and stop dreaming up dumb what ifs no one knows. More importantly don't let this distract you from the fact that in 1966, Al Bundy scored four touchdowns in a single game while playing for the Polk High School Panthers in the 1966 city championship game versus Andrew Johnson High School, including the game-winning touchdown in the final seconds against his old nemesis, Bubba "Spare Tire" Dixon.

Spare Tire Dixon: "Alright Bundy...on the count of three."

- Camera zooms in tight on Sparetire's Face_

Spare Tire Dixon: : "...THREE"

-- Edited by Bill Parcells on Tuesday 21st of November 2023 06:10:40 PM

-- Edited by Bill Parcells on Tuesday 21st of November 2023 06:10:51 PM

Futureauxiliary · Guru

Nypd2532 wrote:
Has anyone received a letter to verify veteran credit? Doesnt that usually take place right before a list comes out?

That was about 10 pages in the past.

100questions · Senior Member

Username wrote:
TheNarcoRanger wrote:
Allout wrote:
35amonth wrote:
Example:

Mike got a 66 on test day. Picked up 3 throw outs and is at a 69. The NYPD adds his seniority (2), JST (1), and medals (.5). Mike is now at a 72.5 in step 3. The job sends his seniority, JST, and medals to DCAS- his adjusted score will be curved at his raw score of 66 and list will be in the high 70s. Adding him as another person to the 885 list.

Jill- got a 59 on test day. She picked up 1 throw out, putting her at a 60. The NYPD adds her seniority (5), JST (1), and medals (.5). Jill is now at a 66.5 in step 3. In step 4 DCAS applies the curve with Jills 60, putting her at a 69. She will not receive the 6.5 points the NYPD adjusted and not make the list.

-- Edited by 35amonth on Sunday 19th of November 2023 05:10:47 PM
This was actually pretty detailed
I thought the curve is applied after throw outs and not before as your score with throw outs is technically your true raw score? In the first example you have the curve being applied to a score without throw outs? Not nitpicking just curious if thats actually the case
Logic would say, curve would be applied after throwouts/double answers, its not your fault the question was poorly written. Therefore post throwout/double answer is your true score, before any adjustments (longevity/medals/JST). Doesnt make sense to get .231 (or whatever the number is) and still pick up the points for a throwout/double answer. That being said, its the NYPD, and Im not a subject-matter expert.

Its out of order but the reason Department would provide those things is to have the curve applied first, then DCAS can simply apply the additional merit points (longevity, medals & JST credit) to those who reach a 70 after the curve is applied. This is done so there is no need to transfer a list back and forth through agencies.

yes, you could say why does the Department not just provide these things from the very beginning before any throwouts and such apply but I dont know.

UndertakersFinest_ · Veteran Member

List is coming out 12/1. Good luck to ALL!

-- Edited by UndertakersFinest_ on Tuesday 21st of November 2023 09:58:53 PM

63_sniffer · Senior Member

/\
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Beta86 · Veteran Member

Exciting 12/1 Friday, where is the list now ?

63_sniffer · Senior Member

Anyone know the promotion scheduled for the auditorium at 1pp for December?

NYTIMES · Veteran Member

My source says the list is coming out beginning of Dec and that 50 Sgts are scheduled to be promoted to LT.

SoontoBeLou · Member

List comes out 12/2. 8000 people on the list. If youre in the bottom 2000, you get demoted to PPO.

-- Edited by SoontoBeLou on Wednesday 22nd of November 2023 02:11:07 AM

63_sniffer · Senior Member

So my favorite Dunkin Donuts coffee maker told me that the list will be out next week. Side tidbit, if you order through the app on Monday, You get a bonus of 100 points. Heard it here first.

Ticonderoga · Senior Member

well military emails went out. responses required by nov 28. seems too short of a window to verify and adjust everything in time for a 12/1 list drop.

63_sniffer · Senior Member

I would say the odds would be forever in their favor. Only they know how many military people passed the shitty exam. Perhaps theres only enough to evaluate in a day.

100questions · Senior Member

SoontoBeLou wrote:
List comes out 12/2. 8000 people on the list. If youre in the bottom 2000, you get demoted to PPO.

-- Edited by SoontoBeLou on Wednesday 22nd of November 2023 02:11:07 AM

Id be getting a raise.

NauseousPBBN · Senior Member

Now that all the hype has died down a little, does anyone still have access to see scores?

onthelevel · Veteran Member

any idea what the military emails subject title is? I didnt get one. Need to look through junk I guess.

-- Edited by onthelevel on Wednesday 22nd of November 2023 04:33:33 PM

NauseousPBBN · Senior Member

VP/DVP Evaluation...

BONESAWisREADY · Veteran Member

3testwonder wrote:
No wont hold it. If anything if lawsuit is successful it will adjust list. Goodluck to all

What about a TRO?

onthelevel · Veteran Member

Did everyone get the military email or only if they need to specifically verify you? If you are already verified through the job and get your days off, do they just verify from the job itself?

Futureauxiliary · Guru

Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Maybe this list will finally be released within the next week or so.

yankeefanhatebsox · Senior Member

Taketheday wrote:
Caralho wrote:
Does anyone know exactly how much of a curve they are doing? Not estimates based of Sgt or Capt. exam
Its basically 0.231 points for every wrong answer you have As previously stated. So essentially
someone with a 61 raw would have gotten 39 questions wrong which equals 9.0009 points. Someone with a score of 60 would also pick up over 9.24 points however that is not enough to reach a 70 passing.
keep in mind the curve is separate from the throwouts so hypothetically someone could score say a 56 and pick up 5 throwouts which would put them at a 61 and thus after the curve would end up with a passing score of 70.

We keep explaining this but guys dont get it lol. for all those who think there will be a curve you need to get a 61 after throwouts/double answers for you to be on the list with a 70.009. If after this round of throwouts/double answers you got a 60 or below, I personally do not think you will make the list. curve gets added for every wrong question, if you picked up throwouts/double answers then your number of wrong questions has changed from the number you had on test day. The curve will apply to the new number not test day Number.

if you dont think there will be a curve and ifyou dont have a 70 after this round of throwouts/double answers you will not be on the list.

Allout · Senior Member

Not this shit again. Lol

If you are at a 70 on the list thats circulating, you are guaranteed to be on the DCAS final list.

If you are at a 61 on the list thats circulating, you MAY be on the final DCAS list IF theres a curve.

Lets never discuss this ever again. Whoever has a hook at Personnel let us know when they send the list back to DCAS- thats where the rubber meets the road.

Happy Thanksgiving and a big no confidence vote in the SBA.

-- Edited by Allout on Thursday 23rd of November 2023 03:29:38 PM

35amonth · Senior Member

The list should have been sent back already. Theres no way our job would take this long to do basic excel adjustments. Theres literally an entire unit that does this. My prediction is next week!

NauseousPBBN · Senior Member

Miliary verification deadline is 28th, should be very soon after.

Ididntmakethecut · Veteran Member

How many throw outs and double answers?

Futureauxiliary · Guru

Ididntmakethecut wrote:
How many throw outs and double answers?

Go back a few pages I believe someone posted it for each day.

No1isbetter · Guru

Next Promotion is most likely 12/19 or 12/22. Names need to be cleared for promotion. They should release the list within the next 2 weeks. If not, LTs arent going in until January. Safe to say this is a home stretch.

TenFour16 · Guru

Looking at Lts eligible to retire and the amount between 15-19 years, and considering the headcount is now 1600 flat from a top of 1850+ the last 2 years, and the freeze not affecting the NYPD for the first few rounds.

I think they are going to rip into this list HARD the first 6 months.

List #250 by June. Screenshot this.

wereinbacklog · Guru

List to be released first week of December.

Member nypd · Member

Nice!

Taketheday · Guru

I was told 27th this Monday guess well just have to wait and see

-- Edited by Taketheday on Thursday 23rd of November 2023 10:25:50 PM

Futureauxiliary · Guru

A week more a week less its great to finally know the end of finally publishing this list is near! Thanks to all on the forums who continue to provide solid info !

63_sniffer · Senior Member

December 1