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skelgel wrote:

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I personally think they made the list so big so people wont sue and say it was unfair. Lets make the list bigger give those who scored a 55 or above a boost. Those who scored lower never studied to begin with so they are not likely to complain. But by adding the 55 and above on a list, we make them happy and we dont get sued, but in 4 years IF the list was to get cut hey thats out of our hands sorry. Just my logic I am not sure if this is the case.

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Bingo!!! The job is always looking for less liability. So theyll just make a 4400 person list. Then when it dies in 4 years they use Civil Service Law section 56 as their shield and shrug their shoulders. This happened in 2003 before they even had a passing score. You had a 5000 person Sgt list, the job promoted who they could in 4 years and the rest just died due to State law and no lawsuits even stood a chance in court. To them, thats easier than fighting every lawsuit that comes when crybabies who didnt hit a 70 try and sue and claim x y and z. 

skelgel wrote:

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not to pick on you, I actually hope you make it, but passit for example. He is on the list, he will hold on to hope and hopefully make it. As opposed to him not making the list and becoming bitter and starting a lawsuit saying it was unfair due to the different days and sessions. Btw I agree that it was not fair lol. but yea this is why I personally think the list is so huge.

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 Don't pick on me.lolol

soccerpsyco32 wrote:

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skelgel wrote:

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I personally think they made the list so big so people wont sue and say it was unfair. Lets make the list bigger give those who scored a 55 or above a boost. Those who scored lower never studied to begin with so they are not likely to complain. But by adding the 55 and above on a list, we make them happy and we dont get sued, but in 4 years IF the list was to get cut hey thats out of our hands sorry. Just my logic I am not sure if this is the case.

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Bingo!!! The job is always looking for less liability. So theyll just make a 4400 person list. Then when it dies in 4 years they use Civil Service Law section 56 as their shield and shrug their shoulders. This happened in 2003 before they even had a passing score. You had a 5000 person Sgt list, the job promoted who they could in 4 years and the rest just died due to State law and no lawsuits even stood a chance in court. To them, thats easier than fighting every lawsuit that comes when crybabies who didnt hit a 70 try and sue and claim x y and z. 

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Except everyone said the same thing when the last "completely unprecedented" sgts list came out. We all thought it was racism, or fear of lawsuits, or some chief's son was at the bottom. But it didn't matter because they ended up finishing the list anyway. Of course, there's no guarantees, the list could die. But the city does things for a reason, and its most likely because they anticipate more cops and thus need more bosses because of the contract raise. We are way below the authorized headcount, and maybe, just maybe, 4,000 more sgts is what's needed when we get back to full strength. The city is cheap as shit and would probably look to change the law to 6+ years for civil service exam since its a complete mess everytime they give one.

Also- They don't care that you studied harder, congrats tho, you got a higher spot on the list and will have more time in rank now, not more than me, but whatever. that's your reward for studying. so stop being an asshole and gatekeeping this shit, we all know this test is complete BS and not indicative of how you will be as a boss. 

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skelgel wrote:

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not to pick on you, I actually hope you make it, but passit for example. He is on the list, he will hold on to hope and hopefully make it. As opposed to him not making the list and becoming bitter and starting a lawsuit saying it was unfair due to the different days and sessions. Btw I agree that it was not fair lol. but yea this is why I personally think the list is so huge.

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 Don't pick on me.lolol

 

 

 

 

never bro! you the man

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fiftyfouredp wrote:

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soccerpsyco32 wrote:

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skelgel wrote:

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I personally think they made the list so big so people wont sue and say it was unfair. Lets make the list bigger give those who scored a 55 or above a boost. Those who scored lower never studied to begin with so they are not likely to complain. But by adding the 55 and above on a list, we make them happy and we dont get sued, but in 4 years IF the list was to get cut hey thats out of our hands sorry. Just my logic I am not sure if this is the case.

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Bingo!!! The job is always looking for less liability. So theyll just make a 4400 person list. Then when it dies in 4 years they use Civil Service Law section 56 as their shield and shrug their shoulders. This happened in 2003 before they even had a passing score. You had a 5000 person Sgt list, the job promoted who they could in 4 years and the rest just died due to State law and no lawsuits even stood a chance in court. To them, thats easier than fighting every lawsuit that comes when crybabies who didnt hit a 70 try and sue and claim x y and z. 

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Except everyone said the same thing when the last "completely unprecedented" sgts list came out. We all thought it was racism, or fear of lawsuits, or some chief's son was at the bottom. But it didn't matter because they ended up finishing the list anyway. Of course, there's no guarantees, the list could die. But the city does things for a reason, and its most likely because they anticipate more cops and thus need more bosses because of the contract raise. We are way below the authorized headcount, and maybe, just maybe, 4,000 more sgts is what's needed when we get back to full strength. The city is cheap as shit and would probably look to change the law to 6+ years for civil service exam since its a complete mess everytime they give one.

Also- They don't care that you studied harder, congrats tho, you got a higher spot on the list and will have more time in rank now, not more than me, but whatever. that's your reward for studying. so stop being an asshole and gatekeeping this shit, we all know this test is complete BS and not indicative of how you will be as a boss. 

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 facts....

and from someone who was in the 2000's from the last list... don't let anybody tell you that you won't make it. I've been there. And guess what? #1 and #2600+ from that list - all sergeants.

Congrats to all that PASSED. regardless of curves or throw outs, you made it. 

soccerpsyco32 wrote:

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fiftyfouredp wrote:

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soccerpsyco32 wrote:

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skelgel wrote:

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I personally think they made the list so big so people wont sue and say it was unfair. Lets make the list bigger give those who scored a 55 or above a boost. Those who scored lower never studied to begin with so they are not likely to complain. But by adding the 55 and above on a list, we make them happy and we dont get sued, but in 4 years IF the list was to get cut hey thats out of our hands sorry. Just my logic I am not sure if this is the case.

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Bingo!!! The job is always looking for less liability. So theyll just make a 4400 person list. Then when it dies in 4 years they use Civil Service Law section 56 as their shield and shrug their shoulders. This happened in 2003 before they even had a passing score. You had a 5000 person Sgt list, the job promoted who they could in 4 years and the rest just died due to State law and no lawsuits even stood a chance in court. To them, thats easier than fighting every lawsuit that comes when crybabies who didnt hit a 70 try and sue and claim x y and z. 

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Except everyone said the same thing when the last "completely unprecedented" sgts list came out. We all thought it was racism, or fear of lawsuits, or some chief's son was at the bottom. But it didn't matter because they ended up finishing the list anyway. Of course, there's no guarantees, the list could die. But the city does things for a reason, and its most likely because they anticipate more cops and thus need more bosses because of the contract raise. We are way below the authorized headcount, and maybe, just maybe, 4,000 more sgts is what's needed when we get back to full strength. The city is cheap as shit and would probably look to change the law to 6+ years for civil service exam since its a complete mess everytime they give one.

Also- They don't care that you studied harder, congrats tho, you got a higher spot on the list and will have more time in rank now, not more than me, but whatever. that's your reward for studying. so stop being an asshole and gatekeeping this shit, we all know this test is complete BS and not indicative of how you will be as a boss. 

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Ohh so theyll just increase the Sgt headcount by 4000? 8000 plus Sgts? LOL. And then theyll get State Civil Service Law changed too?  The delusions here are strong. Maybe theyll change Civil Service Law. Maybe theyll just increase headcount by 4000 so we have 8000 Sgts with 1 supervisor for every 3 cops. LOL. And maybe if my aunts legs turn into wheels that makes her a bicycle. Do you realize how stupid you sound? No one is gatekeeping anything. Civil Service law says the list dies in 4 years. There are 4400 Sgts on the job. They will not replace the entire rank in 4 years. Those are actual facts. Everything you have said is speculation and hope. Youre literally dealing in pipe dreams but you have the balls to come on here and lecture others who deal in actual facts. 

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"Ohh so theyll just increase the Sgt headcount by 4000? 8000 plus Sgts?"

No, ding dong. By your logic then every exam increases headcount. Our dept is drained, but if they start hiring like crazy again then they will need the bosses. There's barely enough now, as you will learn soon enough. Get ready for your doubles on the desk kiddo.

"And then theyll get State Civil Service Law changed too?"

They recently just did this actually, remember when they extended the last sgt list by a year? They can do that, because this is all a game and they make the rules.

Your aunt is a nice ride though, even without the wheels.

fiftyfouredp wrote:

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soccerpsyco32 wrote:

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fiftyfouredp wrote:

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soccerpsyco32 wrote:

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skelgel wrote:

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I personally think they made the list so big so people wont sue and say it was unfair. Lets make the list bigger give those who scored a 55 or above a boost. Those who scored lower never studied to begin with so they are not likely to complain. But by adding the 55 and above on a list, we make them happy and we dont get sued, but in 4 years IF the list was to get cut hey thats out of our hands sorry. Just my logic I am not sure if this is the case.

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Bingo!!! The job is always looking for less liability. So theyll just make a 4400 person list. Then when it dies in 4 years they use Civil Service Law section 56 as their shield and shrug their shoulders. This happened in 2003 before they even had a passing score. You had a 5000 person Sgt list, the job promoted who they could in 4 years and the rest just died due to State law and no lawsuits even stood a chance in court. To them, thats easier than fighting every lawsuit that comes when crybabies who didnt hit a 70 try and sue and claim x y and z. 

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Except everyone said the same thing when the last "completely unprecedented" sgts list came out. We all thought it was racism, or fear of lawsuits, or some chief's son was at the bottom. But it didn't matter because they ended up finishing the list anyway. Of course, there's no guarantees, the list could die. But the city does things for a reason, and its most likely because they anticipate more cops and thus need more bosses because of the contract raise. We are way below the authorized headcount, and maybe, just maybe, 4,000 more sgts is what's needed when we get back to full strength. The city is cheap as shit and would probably look to change the law to 6+ years for civil service exam since its a complete mess everytime they give one.

Also- They don't care that you studied harder, congrats tho, you got a higher spot on the list and will have more time in rank now, not more than me, but whatever. that's your reward for studying. so stop being an asshole and gatekeeping this shit, we all know this test is complete BS and not indicative of how you will be as a boss. 

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Ohh so theyll just increase the Sgt headcount by 4000? 8000 plus Sgts? LOL. And then theyll get State Civil Service Law changed too?  The delusions here are strong. Maybe theyll change Civil Service Law. Maybe theyll just increase headcount by 4000 so we have 8000 Sgts with 1 supervisor for every 3 cops. LOL. And maybe if my aunts legs turn into wheels that makes her a bicycle. Do you realize how stupid you sound? No one is gatekeeping anything. Civil Service law says the list dies in 4 years. There are 4400 Sgts on the job. They will not replace the entire rank in 4 years. Those are actual facts. Everything you have said is speculation and hope. Youre literally dealing in pipe dreams but you have the balls to come on here and lecture others who deal in actual facts. 

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"Ohh so theyll just increase the Sgt headcount by 4000? 8000 plus Sgts?"

No, ding dong. By your logic then every exam increases headcount. Our dept is drained, but if they start hiring like crazy again then they will need the bosses. There's barely enough now, as you will learn soon enough. Get ready for your doubles on the desk kiddo.

"And then theyll get State Civil Service Law changed too?"

They recently just did this actually, remember when they extended the last sgt list by a year? They can do that, because this is all a game and they make the rules.

Your aunt is a nice ride though, even without the wheels.

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 Factss

soccerpsyco32 wrote:

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fiftyfouredp wrote:

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soccerpsyco32 wrote:

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fiftyfouredp wrote:

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soccerpsyco32 wrote:

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skelgel wrote:

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I personally think they made the list so big so people wont sue and say it was unfair. Lets make the list bigger give those who scored a 55 or above a boost. Those who scored lower never studied to begin with so they are not likely to complain. But by adding the 55 and above on a list, we make them happy and we dont get sued, but in 4 years IF the list was to get cut hey thats out of our hands sorry. Just my logic I am not sure if this is the case.

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Bingo!!! The job is always looking for less liability. So theyll just make a 4400 person list. Then when it dies in 4 years they use Civil Service Law section 56 as their shield and shrug their shoulders. This happened in 2003 before they even had a passing score. You had a 5000 person Sgt list, the job promoted who they could in 4 years and the rest just died due to State law and no lawsuits even stood a chance in court. To them, thats easier than fighting every lawsuit that comes when crybabies who didnt hit a 70 try and sue and claim x y and z. 

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Except everyone said the same thing when the last "completely unprecedented" sgts list came out. We all thought it was racism, or fear of lawsuits, or some chief's son was at the bottom. But it didn't matter because they ended up finishing the list anyway. Of course, there's no guarantees, the list could die. But the city does things for a reason, and its most likely because they anticipate more cops and thus need more bosses because of the contract raise. We are way below the authorized headcount, and maybe, just maybe, 4,000 more sgts is what's needed when we get back to full strength. The city is cheap as shit and would probably look to change the law to 6+ years for civil service exam since its a complete mess everytime they give one.

Also- They don't care that you studied harder, congrats tho, you got a higher spot on the list and will have more time in rank now, not more than me, but whatever. that's your reward for studying. so stop being an asshole and gatekeeping this shit, we all know this test is complete BS and not indicative of how you will be as a boss. 

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Ohh so theyll just increase the Sgt headcount by 4000? 8000 plus Sgts? LOL. And then theyll get State Civil Service Law changed too?  The delusions here are strong. Maybe theyll change Civil Service Law. Maybe theyll just increase headcount by 4000 so we have 8000 Sgts with 1 supervisor for every 3 cops. LOL. And maybe if my aunts legs turn into wheels that makes her a bicycle. Do you realize how stupid you sound? No one is gatekeeping anything. Civil Service law says the list dies in 4 years. There are 4400 Sgts on the job. They will not replace the entire rank in 4 years. Those are actual facts. Everything you have said is speculation and hope. Youre literally dealing in pipe dreams but you have the balls to come on here and lecture others who deal in actual facts. 

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"Ohh so theyll just increase the Sgt headcount by 4000? 8000 plus Sgts?"

No, ding dong. By your logic then every exam increases headcount. Our dept is drained, but if they start hiring like crazy again then they will need the bosses. There's barely enough now, as you will learn soon enough. Get ready for your doubles on the desk kiddo.

"And then theyll get State Civil Service Law changed too?"

They recently just did this actually, remember when they extended the last sgt list by a year? They can do that, because this is all a game and they make the rules.

Your aunt is a nice ride though, even without the wheels.

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Drained? Lol. Theyre short 325 Sgts as of 4/24. They already have an authorized headcount for each rank. Theyre short a 1000 cops and 325 Sgts. As they hire the cops, they fill the 325 Sgt vacancies. Do you get it yet? They arent expanding the authorized Sgt headcount because you made a wish for it happen. Theyre just filling existing vacancies within the already authorized headcount. They also didnt change Civil Service Law. Remember that once in a hundred year health emergency thing? LOL They got an extension in accordance with the law for a documented national emergency. That likely will not happen again! Keep blowing that hope smoke up everyones ass though!

-- Edited by soccerpsyco32 on Monday 8th of May 2023 02:03:13 AM

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 how do you explain the SECOND "1 year extension" for the now old sergeants list?

yes, it would have spanned SIX years if it had to. 

there's over 500+ sergeant vacancies, and a bunch of looming retirements. Expect a bump of bosses when the supervisory ranks eventually agree to 12 hour tours - because they will. 4400 is a hell of a lot, but given all the circumstances and possibilities - it's not really out of the realm of reality that they get through most of this list, if not all of it. Trust me, you WANT more sergeants. If you haven't realized that yet, you will. 

soccerpsyco32 wrote:

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No. There are 325 vacancies not 500 plus. I cant have a conversation with people who arent grounded in reality. Youre clearly on the hope kool aid too. They got an extension to finish the current list because they froze hiring and promotions during the pandemic. Why is that hard to understand? They were able to do that because they had a legal justification that allowed for it in the law. LOL. You hope addicts are saying that they will invent a new emergency in 4 years to extend this list? And/or theyll just add a few thousand more Sgts to the authorized headcount just so no ones feelings get hurt? Holy crap, this is a lost cause. The hope kool aid is strong amongst you. Check out the 2003 Sgt list and 2006 Lt list. Thats a harbinger of whats to come for those who are at the end of this list. Congrats to those who make it, and for those who dont, your score matters and the effort you put into preparing for the exam matters. If you dont make it, then hopefully that lesson motivates you for the next exam.

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 Well said. 

Realistically, up to what list number do you think is safe?

Jopagocks wrote:

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soccerpsyco32 wrote:

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No. There are 325 vacancies not 500 plus. I cant have a conversation with people who arent grounded in reality. Youre clearly on the hope kool aid too. They got an extension to finish the current list because they froze hiring and promotions during the pandemic. Why is that hard to understand? They were able to do that because they had a legal justification that allowed for it in the law. LOL. You hope addicts are saying that they will invent a new emergency in 4 years to extend this list? And/or theyll just add a few thousand more Sgts to the authorized headcount just so no ones feelings get hurt? Holy crap, this is a lost cause. The hope kool aid is strong amongst you. Check out the 2003 Sgt list and 2006 Lt list. Thats a harbinger of whats to come for those who are at the end of this list. Congrats to those who make it, and for those who dont, your score matters and the effort you put into preparing for the exam matters. If you dont make it, then hopefully that lesson motivates you for the next exam.

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 Well said. 

Realistically, up to what list number do you think is safe?

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 Nobody knows the future, we can only guesstimate. I say up to 2,000 is safe. The 2,000 - 3,000 range is a toss-up. The 3,000+ people are delusional if they think they're getting promoted. Anything is possible though.

See attached list with scores

From 69 to 80.25

https://data.cityofnewyork.us/widgets/vx8i-nprf