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TransitCop wrote:

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950 and thats just a shot in the dark. No one can predict or estimate accurately so all you are going to get is pure speculation. I frankly dont see a point in this excercise except giving false hope to people in the 2000s.

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 i agree with you. there is no way to know, and anyone claiming they do is full of crap. people with list numbers toward the bottom should plan to take the next test. several people at the end of the 2013 test took the 2017 test to be safe. 

I personally think this year will be above historic levels. Now everyone has enough time Im going with by years end around 1,000 

Any new update? 

I know someone from the list that was recently promoted and they skipped a bunch of names because of the fitness points added after the list was established. 

On protest day I counted 29 wrong when viewing my results, giving myself a raw score of 71. I had slightly less then 10 years on at the time, and had not submitted any medals, or jst points. So basically my final score should have been about a 76 with seniority points added, but instead I was assigned a score of 84. The extra eight points I recieved are unexplainable by anything but a curve/scale giving me that score. Granted, it is possible to pick up a point or two from throwouts, and double answers, but eight is beyond what is reasonable to believe for that cause. Also keep in mind this is not based on "what a buddy told me", but rather my own personal experience. 

The bottom line is no one knows what will happen period. We can guess all day long I dont know if there was a curve or throw outs I know some people who say they had a 66 and didnt make it but who knows. I think by the end of this year we should have a pretty good idea on how far this list will go. I personally think it will surpass two thousand because there are so many ready to leave and there no reason for them to stay. We are short in my command by two and will be 3 within two weeks. With no left overs. Hopefully in August Lts start leaving as it will be a year since there largest increase. With all that said I cant see them making the whole list anyway I would guess max 2300.

We should refrain from posting unless its a solid update.

Thebirds wrote:

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The extra points are due to the makeup exams. People generally scored higher on the makeups and since they were entirely different tests they weighted the scores of the original exam to avoid any lawsuits.

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IamTheLaw wrote:

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There were only 2 throwouts. List was curved down to a 61. There were reasons for this. Ones I will not get into but trust me. Our list was manufactured to its size on purpose. I don't know if you guys remember when someone blew the whistle on a big meeting about the LT list and its grading before it dropped. But the job was weighing curving that one as well for the same reasons but ultimately decided against it due to the fact it was already so big. Our list was originally 1400. Well within a standard size. The City and the job did not need to go all the way to 2600. But they did... by choice. It had absolutely zero to due with being "fair" or "fear of being sued." Hence why it only happened to 1 list and not all 3.

 

-- Edited by IamTheLaw on Friday 5th of April 2019 08:16:37 PM

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 So youre saying the entire list will be promoted due to reasons?

BlastLivesMatter wrote:

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IamTheLaw wrote:

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There were only 2 throwouts. List was curved down to a 61. There were reasons for this. Ones I will not get into but trust me. Our list was manufactured to its size on purpose. I don't know if you guys remember when someone blew the whistle on a big meeting about the LT list and its grading before it dropped. But the job was weighing curving that one as well for the same reasons but ultimately decided against it due to the fact it was already so big. Our list was originally 1400. Well within a standard size. The City and the job did not need to go all the way to 2600. But they did... by choice. It had absolutely zero to due with being "fair" or "fear of being sued." Hence why it only happened to 1 list and not all 3.

 

-- Edited by IamTheLaw on Friday 5th of April 2019 08:16:37 PM

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 Theyre promoting about roughly 500 a year at best. Well be lucky to see 2000. Im in the middle of the 1800s so Im praying youre right. 

On another note, I heard being they (DCAS) had to redo the list due to the fitness points, that the lists new start dates beings when they re-did the list moving people around. Any truth to that?

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Its four years from established date. Not adjusted date.  

HanginByAThread wrote:

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IamTheLaw wrote:

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There were only 2 throwouts. List was curved down to a 61. There were reasons for this. Ones I will not get into but trust me. Our list was manufactured to its size on purpose. I don't know if you guys remember when someone blew the whistle on a big meeting about the LT list and its grading before it dropped. But the job was weighing curving that one as well for the same reasons but ultimately decided against it due to the fact it was already so big. Our list was originally 1400. Well within a standard size. The City and the job did not need to go all the way to 2600. But they did... by choice. It had absolutely zero to due with being "fair" or "fear of being sued." Hence why it only happened to 1 list and not all 3.

 

-- Edited by IamTheLaw on Friday 5th of April 2019 08:16:37 PM

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 Dude, chill out with your little conspiracy theories already, its getting old. The indirect message you are trying to send about "reasons" or whatever is complete crap and many people know the real reason the test was adjusted. The reason it was adjusted was simply because the exams, which are now different then the makeups, were "weighed" and they had to grade differently based on exam difficulty, creating a bigger list. If you aren't going to post facts, then dont post half-assed nonsense that isn't true.

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 For someone who comes to this board to add nothing useful and onlu panic outloude you talk alot of sh!t. You obviously don't know anything. You come here and panic and don't know sh!t. I'm literally just telling everyone to chill out. I know what I know. My track record speaks for itself. You can come on here crying all you want. I'll just keep my FACTS to myself. 1 test was curved. Just 1. If the city was worried about lawsuits they would have done it to all 3 dumba$$. Get some more time under your belt rookie. Guys like you shouldn't get promoted. But unfortunately knowing what I know. You will. 

IamTheLaw wrote:

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HanginByAThread wrote:

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IamTheLaw wrote:

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There were only 2 throwouts. List was curved down to a 61. There were reasons for this. Ones I will not get into but trust me. Our list was manufactured to its size on purpose. I don't know if you guys remember when someone blew the whistle on a big meeting about the LT list and its grading before it dropped. But the job was weighing curving that one as well for the same reasons but ultimately decided against it due to the fact it was already so big. Our list was originally 1400. Well within a standard size. The City and the job did not need to go all the way to 2600. But they did... by choice. It had absolutely zero to due with being "fair" or "fear of being sued." Hence why it only happened to 1 list and not all 3.

 

-- Edited by IamTheLaw on Friday 5th of April 2019 08:16:37 PM

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 Dude, chill out with your little conspiracy theories already, its getting old. The indirect message you are trying to send about "reasons" or whatever is complete crap and many people know the real reason the test was adjusted. The reason it was adjusted was simply because the exams, which are now different then the makeups, were "weighed" and they had to grade differently based on exam difficulty, creating a bigger list. If you aren't going to post facts, then dont post half-assed nonsense that isn't true.

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 For someone who comes to this board to add nothing useful and onlu panic outloude you talk alot of sh!t. You obviously don't know anything. You come here and panic and don't know sh!t. I'm literally just telling everyone to chill out. I know what I know. My track record speaks for itself. You can come on here crying all you want. I'll just keep my FACTS to myself. 1 test was curved. Just 1. If the city was worried about lawsuits they would have done it to all 3 dumba$$. Get some more time under your belt rookie. Guys like you shouldn't get promoted. But unfortunately knowing what I know. You will. 

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  Definitely not a rookie, and have been around much longer then you assume. And you probably wouldn't call a "guy like me" a dumbass to my face, trust me on that one. I just wanted to point out what I know, because I know its the truth and eventually you will find out it was the truth also. I don't see a need for someone to constantly post "I know what I know" without saying anything. If you aren't going to share it then just don't post anything. It doesn't give you any credibility bud.

HanginByAThread wrote:

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IamTheLaw wrote:

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HanginByAThread wrote:

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IamTheLaw wrote:

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There were only 2 throwouts. List was curved down to a 61. There were reasons for this. Ones I will not get into but trust me. Our list was manufactured to its size on purpose. I don't know if you guys remember when someone blew the whistle on a big meeting about the LT list and its grading before it dropped. But the job was weighing curving that one as well for the same reasons but ultimately decided against it due to the fact it was already so big. Our list was originally 1400. Well within a standard size. The City and the job did not need to go all the way to 2600. But they did... by choice. It had absolutely zero to due with being "fair" or "fear of being sued." Hence why it only happened to 1 list and not all 3.

 

-- Edited by IamTheLaw on Friday 5th of April 2019 08:16:37 PM

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 Dude, chill out with your little conspiracy theories already, its getting old. The indirect message you are trying to send about "reasons" or whatever is complete crap and many people know the real reason the test was adjusted. The reason it was adjusted was simply because the exams, which are now different then the makeups, were "weighed" and they had to grade differently based on exam difficulty, creating a bigger list. If you aren't going to post facts, then dont post half-assed nonsense that isn't true.

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 For someone who comes to this board to add nothing useful and onlu panic outloude you talk alot of sh!t. You obviously don't know anything. You come here and panic and don't know sh!t. I'm literally just telling everyone to chill out. I know what I know. My track record speaks for itself. You can come on here crying all you want. I'll just keep my FACTS to myself. 1 test was curved. Just 1. If the city was worried about lawsuits they would have done it to all 3 dumba$$. Get some more time under your belt rookie. Guys like you shouldn't get promoted. But unfortunately knowing what I know. You will. 

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  Definitely not a rookie, and have been around much longer then you assume. And you probably wouldn't call a "guy like me" a dumbass to my face, trust me on that one. I just wanted to point out what I know, because I know its the truth and eventually you will find out it was the truth also. I don't see a need for someone to constantly post "I know what I know" without saying anything. If you aren't going to share it then just don't post anything. It doesn't give you any credibility bud.

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 Not gonna spend all night going back and forth with you level 99 keyboard warrior. And yes. You are a rookie. Or else you wouldn't have b!tched so much over the curve and seniority points the way you did when you deleted that post a while back because the board called you out on it. Like I said. You literally add nothing to this board. Zero. You come on here and do your chicken little sky is falling routine every so often and occasionally put up this fake tough guy act but that's it. Excuse me for spreading some positivity with THINGS I KNOW. I could come on here too and just keep saying negative sh!t to ruffle people's feathers. But why. I only post when I have something to add that is constructive. Like when I told you buttheads about the list being 2600 and curved. Everyone told me I was crazy. A list would never be curved again. No way it should be that big. But it was. This is gonna be no different.  Have a good night! And enjoy the promotion in a few years!

I don't think we are far enough along in the life of this list to say that definatively. However, what I would say to those with list numbers near or above 2000 is that a miracle is always possible, but to also start now preparing to get a better score on the next exam should that miracle not come. Yanosik is running a free refresher as we speak, You can also study on your own for one hour a day to ensure you are not like me and require 3 attempts to get a good enough score. Don't give up.

-- Edited by Rodrigo54 on Friday 19th of April 2019 03:14:29 AM

is he offering it to anyone whether u not took elite or key?

I see what you are saying, but you only have one complete year, and a third of the second to average with over 2&1/2 years remaining. At any point conditions could change necessitating an increase in sergeant promotions. We saw just such a thing months prior to the last Lt exam. The number of retirements and promotions above the rank of sergeant could also uptick creating a greater need for sergeants. Also, the reasoning behind the grading and resulting list size is still not fully known by the rank and file beyond rumors and inuendo. Considering the curve balls the City has thrown with the 2013 Sergeant's exam and 2015 Lt's exam, nothing is impossible including the life of this list being extended. I am not saying that I believe this is what is going to happen, but rather that it could happen. 

-- Edited by Rodrigo54 on Monday 29th of April 2019 10:25:15 PM

The list size itself is proof that there is a first for everything.

lol by someone downtown... who... another cop or a sgt? We are already at 615's. Another class and we will probably hit 700. With another 2 if not 3 classes left, I predict a year 2 end of 875-925. Year three will probably be a historic average of another 450 vacancies, which will elevate to approx. 1400. Leaving year 4 for another 350-450 promotions. I think REALISTICALLY the end of the list will be the 1800-1900 range.

Plenty of LT spots opening up, as well as upward promotions which yield slots for Captain.

How can the next list be valid in 2021 when this current one is valid until January 2022?

Nyfine wrote:

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I was told by someone downtown that they are aiming for around the 1400s for Sgts  list and 800s for Lts List.  Two classes will Overlap in June where it will be 50 going in mentoring program. Thats all I have for now and hoping over time it will change.

-- Edited by Nyfine on Monday 27th of May 2019 01:46:29 PM

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 Thats odd Bc Ive talked to several people of rank at 1PP and the goal is to promote all that are promotable off the list