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GDASSCLUB · Senior Member

May 31 BMOC

ohnoes · Senior Member

No finest for bmoc as of 1345 5/27/16

Sarge · Senior Member

pretty sure a judge put a stop to that at least until june 24th

Devil Dog · Senior Member

Sarge wrote:
pretty sure a judge put a stop to that at least until june 24th

June 1st

Devil Dog · Senior Member

Sarge wrote:
pretty sure a judge put a stop to that at least until june 24th

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-- Edited by Devil Dog on Saturday 28th of May 2016 12:05:06 AM

Sarge · Senior Member

this says june 24th http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-lieutenant-promotions-hold-test-results-challenge-article-1.2639949

IShredMajors · Senior Member

Sarge wrote:
this says june 24th http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nypd-lieutenant-promotions-hold-test-results-challenge-article-1.2639949

That's also a Daily News article.

GDASSCLUB · Senior Member

The temp restraining order is in affect until June 1. That day there will be a hearing and the judge will decide the preliminary injunction. If the judge grants the injunction, the job will not be promoting anytime soon. Hopefully the judge will decide quickly and get this list moving. Hopefully with more people added to the list.

CappedOut · Senior Member

GDASSCLUB wrote:
The temp restraining order is in affect until June 1. That day there will be a hearing and the judge will decide the preliminary injunction. If the judge grants the injunction, the job will not be promoting anytime soon. Hopefully the judge will decide quickly and get this list moving. Hopefully with more people added to the list.

Where are you getting that info from?

(I'm not saying youre wrong....if it's from public documents or Wherever I actually want to know so I can look for myself in the future)

GDASSCLUB · Senior Member

I got the 129 page complaint mailed to me. My info is spot on. Blatt and company are looking for 6 questions to get tossed. #17 18 27 59 61 106. They are looking for the judge to create a "special list" with these questions tossed. In result to the that, the original list must be deemed invalid and the judge will create a special list as stated in the complaint. The complaint also attacks the make-ups, in s and substance shouldn't be promoted. The complaint recognize the elite 164 stating we shall all be promoted.

Sarge · Senior Member

Hmmm seems like they are finally doing the right thing, I could get on board with this....

-- Edited by Sarge on Sunday 29th of May 2016 02:45:06 PM

papote170 · Senior Member

I got the same package of the complaint mailed to my command as well ... I think some of those Sgt's who filled for this lawsuit should worry about being a supervisor first before worrying about making it to the list ..has anyone read Personnel Order #149 .. Pg#6 on the "disposition of disciplinary proceedings" section ..if some of these superstars can't even supervised two (2) cops .. imagine supervising the whole platoon? Wow ..what a shame !

Devil Dog · Senior Member

papote170 wrote:
I got the same package of the complaint mailed to my command as well ... I think some of those Sgt's who filled for this lawsuit should worry about being a supervisor first before worrying about making it to the list ..has anyone read Personnel Order #149 .. Pg#6 on the "disposition of disciplinary proceedings" section ..if some of these superstars can't even supervised two (2) cops .. imagine supervising the whole platoon? Wow ..what a shame !

Wow!

mjehangir96 · Senior Member

papote170 wrote:
I got the same package of the complaint mailed to my command as well ... I think some of those Sgt's who filled for this lawsuit should worry about being a supervisor first before worrying about making it to the list ..has anyone read Personnel Order #149 .. Pg#6 on the "disposition of disciplinary proceedings" section ..if some of these superstars can't even supervised two (2) cops .. imagine supervising the whole platoon? Wow ..what a shame !

Personal order 149 has not been published yet but it does exist in order number 148.......perhaps you made a mistake and quoted incorrect order just like she probably did .... No need to sling mud at a public forum on fellow brothers and sisters in blue. You'll all be promoted just be patient and let's stop with all the unnecessary crap here.

papote170 · Senior Member

My mistake ..it is # 148 ..thanks for the correction!

caracazo · Member

Why wasn't #79 included with the other operations order questions?

Nikkydenimblue · Veteran Member

Actually, the way it's stated, they are literally looking to toss the questions. I don't think it's their fault it has something to do with case law. Those six questions would potentially be stricken from record and the test would be regraded out of a 94. I bet a lot of the ppl the donates to blatt and co. don't stand a chance of getting on the list. The whole "65 and over will get on list, so donate money to the cause "is now a complete fabrication.

mjehangir96 · Senior Member

Nikkydenimblue wrote:
Actually, the way it's stated, they are literally looking to toss the questions. I don't think it's their fault it has something to do with case law. Those six questions would potentially be stricken from record and the test would be regraded out of a 94. I bet a lot of the ppl the donates to blatt and co. don't stand a chance of getting on the list. The whole "65 and over will get on list, so donate money to the cause "is now a complete fabrication.

so does it mean that if you scored a 70 and got all those 6 correct, with new regrading your score will be a 68? So if you were on the list before , regrading could get you off?

IShredMajors · Senior Member

mjehangir96 wrote:
Nikkydenimblue wrote:
Actually, the way it's stated, they are literally looking to toss the questions. I don't think it's their fault it has something to do with case law. Those six questions would potentially be stricken from record and the test would be regraded out of a 94. I bet a lot of the ppl the donates to blatt and co. don't stand a chance of getting on the list. The whole "65 and over will get on list, so donate money to the cause "is now a complete fabrication.
so does it mean that if you scored a 70 and got all those 6 correct, with new regrading your score will be a 68? So if you were on the list before , regrading could get you off?

Correct. This is mentioned in Blatt's complaint.

Ltexam2017 · Newbie

I think the correct answers for above six questions will be ABCD . Hence gaining points for everybody , including passers points if they had those incorrect.

Devil Dog · Senior Member

Ltexam2017 wrote:
I think the correct answers for above six questions will be ABCD . Hence gaining points for everybody , including passers points if they had those incorrect.

Lol, wrong. This is court not tvb. Read the complaint and case law.

Sarge · Senior Member

someone is trying to scare all the passers.... dont worry. It doesnt make sense for them to have a lawsuit where the questions just get striken from the test and they gain no points so they dont pass anyways.... Like lt exam was saying the throw out questions will read ABCD.

Devil Dog · Senior Member

Sarge wrote:
someone is trying to scare all the passers.... dont worry. It doesnt make sense for them to have a lawsuit where the questions just get striken from the test and they gain no points so they dont pass anyways.... Like lt exam was saying the throw out questions will read ABCD.

Wrong again. the passers received two copies of their complaint in the mail. You on the other hand are speaking from a place of ignorance. Tvb is over. If a question is tossed, no one will receive credit for it. Exam will be regraded from the remaning Questions. Their complaint acknowledged it numerous times, and went on to state that some original passers could be removed from the list. What it didn't mention is some people paying for this suit have no chance at passing. 65 and below are done.

GDASSCLUB · Senior Member

I read the complaint. I concur with above statement. It also reiterated a %70 passing score. So if you do the math getting 30 questions wrong will make you a failure. The magic # is now 29 questions wrong to receive above %70.

GDASSCLUB · Senior Member

Correction manic # is 28 wrong to receive 70 or above

mjehangir96 · Senior Member

28 wrong would mean a score of 66 out of 94...... Interesting .... Given that by removing above questions won't bring you below 66 mark.....

Ltexam2017 · Newbie

2 complaints devil dog? Does that include one filed by the elite 97?

Paul Benedict · Veteran Member

Let the "leapfrogging" begin! Where's ondeairr? Lol

-- Edited by Paul Benedict on Monday 30th of May 2016 04:44:57 PM

Devil Dog · Senior Member

Paul Benedict wrote:
Let the "leapfrogging" begin! Where's ondeairr? Lol

-- Edited by Paul Benedict on Monday 30th of May 2016 04:44:57 PM

Lol

Devil Dog · Senior Member

Ltexam2017 wrote:
2 complaints devil dog? Does that include one filed by the elite 97?

Nah, judge made the 9 send out complaints via certified mail, since their tactics could adversely affect passers. Would also affect people with 65s who gave them money.

-- Edited by Devil Dog on Monday 30th of May 2016 06:09:25 PM

Nikkydenimblue · Veteran Member

It is a public document, in the hands of 204 people. You can read it for yourself. It is true that people who are currently on this list can be knocked off. It is also true that most people that donated money and I bet even some of the named complainants wouldn't make the list either. Like someone stated before, the court is not TVB. Everyone defending the 9 or 7 or whatever they are... They weren't doing this for you. Blatt is doing it for himself. As long as he passes I don't think anything else matters. He gave people false hope, he took their money, now the truth comes out. Six questions stricken from the record, test would be regarded out of a 94. While I am very skeptical this complaint will be triumphant, I think everyone should be aware of what is actually being asked.

Devil Dog · Senior Member

Nikkydenimblue wrote:
It is a public document, in the hands of 204 people. You can read it for yourself. It is true that people who are currently on this list can be knocked off. It is also true that most people that donated money and I bet even some of the named complainants wouldn't make the list either. Like someone stated before, the court is not TVB. Everyone defending the 9 or 7 or whatever they are... They weren't doing this for you. Blatt is doing it for himself. As long as he passes I don't think anything else matters. He gave people false hope, he took their money, now the truth comes out. Six questions stricken from the record, test would be regarded out of a 94. While I am very skeptical this complaint will be triumphant, I think everyone should be aware of what is actually being asked.

Agreed. This last document proved it. Even the financial supporters of this debacle have been sacrificed.

common sense · Senior Member

So is today the day we get more info on this lawsuit ?

GDASSCLUB · Senior Member

Today @ 1200 hours. The judge will decide on the preliminary injunction. That means if the judge grants the preliminary injunction, the city can't promote until the lawsuit is over. If the judge doesn't grant the injunction, the city can start promoting. That doesn't mean the case is over and the judge can still rule in the favor of blatt and company. But If the judge denies the injunction it is a good sign the judge is siding with the city.

Ltexam2017 · Newbie

Any news ? Should I start reading again? Or there is a chance? I'm sure some if you went to the hearing please update us all.

common sense · Senior Member

The suspense is killing me

Devil Dog · Senior Member

Basically nothing happened today. Judge did not rule from the bench. There will be a decision by the 24th after she reviews everything

common sense · Senior Member

So the daily news was correct when they stated she will make her ruling on the 24th

Sarge · Senior Member

I think now we can realize not to listen to these clowns who think they know everything.... The date of the 24th was the correct date and the 6 questions will read abcd if they are indeed thrown out.

Devil Dog · Senior Member

Sarge wrote:
I think now we can realize not to listen to these clowns who think they know everything.... The date of the 24th was the correct date and the 6 questions will read abcd if they are indeed thrown out.

Not really. Judge can rule Tomm if she wants. City made strong arguments vs 5 outta 6 questions imo. one of em is a wild card. Once again "Sarge" you are speaking from a place of ignorance. You don't bother to read public docs or go to public hearings. While thinking your opinion has weight. Ignorance is bliss they say

-- Edited by Devil Dog on Wednesday 1st of June 2016 09:21:05 PM

CappedOut · Senior Member

Devil Dog wrote:

Not really. Judge can rule Tomm if she wants. City made strong arguments vs 5 outta 6 questions imo. one of em is a wild card. Once again "Sarge" you are speaking from a place of ignorance. You don't bother to read public docs or go to public hearings. While thinking your opinion has weight. Ignorance is bliss they say

-- Edited by Devil Dog on Wednesday 1st of June 2016 09:21:05 PM

So today they actually argued over specific questions?

Where could we find the public documents? Thanks

Tme97 · Member

What question was the wild card?

common sense · Senior Member

I wonder if they will use Bratton's own words against the city, where he stated some questions should of been thrown out on NY1. It seems like it would be a one way argument the city pleads their case for the questions being acceptable. Then they counter with "its not on the list of things to study." Now saying that if i get the point i need i will get them all a pen set, but unfortunately i dont think that will happen since i got 106 correct.

GDASSCLUB · Senior Member

www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/nypd-promotions-hold-judge-refuses-lift-ban-article-1.2657658

common sense · Senior Member

wow these guys might actually pull it off, according to this article The judge stated "that the question she needs to resolve is whether the advance notice was specific enough." where the city lawyer states "they were notified under Task Areas that would be covered on the exam." Again I'm just a Sergeant but that does not sound specific to me. Lets wait and see what the judge thinks.

Sarge · Senior Member

Tme97 wrote:
What question was the wild card?

Has to be question 106.... There is just no justified response for not throwing this question out

Titan85 · Newbie

So after reading the judge's direct quote, my question is what happens of she determines the advanced noticed wasn't specific enough? I assume that only one of the three following will happen:
1) The judge looks at the 6 specific questions brought up and make a determination to just throw those out?
2) The entire exam becomes invalidated, because now the floodgates open up for more questions nitpicked as to whether there was sufficient notice.
3) The exam gets kicked back to DCAS for re-evaluation.

What a cluster****. And the whole department waits

common sense · Senior Member

SBA sent out an email, stating if the judge decides to throw out the questions the list would be regraded. They also stated that the judge can decide if ANY sgt get promoted off this list. Personally they should just hire from the original test date takers. That way the scammers wont get made. No need to punish those that pass truthfully.

Devil Dog · Senior Member

common sense wrote:
SBA sent out an email, stating if the judge decides to throw out the questions the list would be regraded. They also stated that the judge can decide if ANY sgt get promoted off this list. Personally they should just hire from the original test date takers. That way the scammers wont get made. No need to punish those that pass truthfully.

SBA email was full of errors, they obviously gave half an effort on it. No one there said or heard anything about the judge tossing the list. She basically said she wants nothing to do with cheating allegations and that is being handled by IAB. Also there has never been an injunction granted, the tro was Extended til she makes her decision. There's huge difference between tro and Pi. I have a feeling this will drag on for many months. if she thorws out questions city will prob appeal if not the failures will appeal.

-- Edited by Devil Dog on Thursday 2nd of June 2016 01:04:29 PM

-- Edited by Devil Dog on Thursday 2nd of June 2016 01:07:54 PM

CappedOut · Senior Member

common sense wrote:
SBA sent out an email, stating if the judge decides to throw out the questions the list would be regraded. They also stated that the judge can decide if ANY sgt get promoted off this list. Personally they should just hire from the original test date takers. That way the scammers wont get made. No need to punish those that pass truthfully.

I think the whole scammer thing has been laid to rest. They lost that lawsuit, this is a new one challenging the questions.

I guess the judge can start throwing out questions, or else this thing would have been over yesterday.