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Nine sergeants sue over NYPD lieutenants' exam cheat sheet

GRAHAM RAYMAN, STEPHEN REX BROWN NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Today, 4:00 AM ET
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The suit, to be filed in Manhattan Federal Court, charges that an answer key posted on a message board popular with cops resulted in skewed passing rates.

An NYPD cheat sheet is at the heart of a new lawsuit brought by nine sergeants alleging widespread test-fudging on last years lieutenants exam.

The suit, to be filed in Manhattan Federal Court on Thursday, charges that an answer key posted on a message board popular with cops resulted in skewed passing rates.

The percentage that passed (the test) is scary, a police source said.

 

NYPD OFFICERS RELUCTANT TO TAKE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS UNDER THREAT OF LAWSUITS, PUBLIC COMPLAINTS

Papers detail a test-administration system ripe for cheating. On April 18, 2015, 2,400 sergeants took the lieutenants test. Test-takers belongings were not searched during the six-hour, 45-minute exam, the suit alleges.

On May 18, user Tavares91 kindly offered: (If) you need the exact wording of a specific question, message me the question number and i will send it to you!

On May 18, user Tavares91 kindly offered: (If) you need the exact wording of a specific question, message me the question number and i will send it to you!

Sgt. Jonathan Blatt, who is among the plaintiffs in the suit, says in documents that test-takers commiserated during bathroom breaks about correct answers.

CITY PAYS $1.25M TO SETTLE LAWSUIT WITH NYPD LIEUTENANT ACCUSED OF GROPING 3 FEMALE COPS

On May 13 and 14, test-takers were invited to the headquarters of the Citywide Administrative Services Department, where they could compare their completed tests to an official answer key. The so-called protest session also had lax supervision, according to the court papers.

Also on May 13, a user under the name ProfessorFiveZero posted a photo on the message board Rising Star of the test answer key. According to papers, the image which is still online is legit.

Papers detail a test-administration system ripe for cheating.

Papers detail a test-administration system ripe for cheating.

On May 18, user Tavares91 kindly offered: (If) you need the exact wording of a specific question, message me the question number and i will send it to you!

User Doggieloverwoof vouched for Tavares info. He sent me 2 questions VERBATIM so he is good on my book lol, Doggielover wrote.

On June 22 the lieutenants exam was administered to about 80 sergeants who couldnt attend the earlier test.

According to a NY1 story on the NYPDs Internal Affairs Bureau inquiry into the alleged cheating, only 164 of 2,400 sergeants passed the initial test.

Nearly half passed the makeup exam.

The police source said tricking the test was nothing new.

Everybody knows that over the years its become a rite of passage, the source said. Its a much larger problem.

Ed Mullins, president of the Sergeants Benevolent Association, emphasized that not all test-takers cheated.

What you have is a broken system, he said.

The NYPD said it was reviewing the controversy.

The suit seeks class-action status and an order freezing promotions.

 

The simple question here is whether or not the NYPD wants to promote sergeants who cheated on an exam to get to the position of lieutenant, said attorney Randolph McLaughlin of Newman Ferrara. We dont believe thats in the publics interest ... or in the departments interest.



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-- Edited by ltexm2015 on Thursday 24th of March 2016 10:14:56 AM

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Post these 9 sgts names....let everyone on the job know who they are...remember who tried to derail your careers. Notice their tactics. They don't care you studied and passed original test. Remember that folks.

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This lawsuit isn't going anywhere. As it stands this article doesn't declare what the lawfirm is trying to do. Are they looking to toss this test?

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They have been doing what they've been forced to do. Just like the people that cheated, it's not really their fault. They were adapting, and fighting the system.

Everything goes back to the bullsh;t exam that should have never seen the light of day. If DCAS would have done the just thing as it was done in 2011, this lawsuit wouldn't be happening. Yeah, who knows where all this my lead to, but it had to be done.

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Just my opinions:

I still believe this still not considered cheating.   Unless a party illegally obtained the answer key or questions from DCAS.   There is no swearing to secrecy for test takers.   A test taker can talk as much as they want about it even when others has not taken an exam yet.   And for the guy who gave out questions verbatim, who is to say he doesn't have great memory. I just can't grasp how any of these arguments are valid.   Just because the press writes about it, does not make anything a valid point.   Look how the media gets a lot of things wrong with us.     Courts would have to prove how he obtained the questions and answers. Was he taking about it BEFORE the April 18 exam?  If so, then you got something. Is there a rule or law somewhere that specifically States that we can't post or talk about the test AFTER we take it?? I don't believe so. ....good luck with proving that.   Again, there is no confidentiality clause that I am aware of. 

I am not taking any side here, just playing devil's advocate.  These are just facts that can be picked apart by a defense in a court of law.   A lot of the argument does not sound like it can hold up.   To those suing, I really hope your efforts with this are fruitless. Because you sound like crybabies that failed yourselves by overstudying, getting burnt out, didnt balance work, study and family- now uou want a cop out.  Study and take the exam again like I will.

But, if this exam is held up, they should reactivate the 2011 exam and promote those who scored in the high 60s. Lol



-- Edited by Boogie Knight on Thursday 24th of March 2016 10:59:36 AM



-- Edited by Boogie Knight on Thursday 24th of March 2016 11:12:16 AM

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"Sgt. Jonathan Blatt, who is among the plaintiffs in the suit, says in documents that test-takers commiserated during bathroom breaks about correct answers."

Guys they are throwing sh*t at the wall to see what sticks.  I heard many things about the exam, but never this one.  We all know that DCAS people escort you to the bathroom.

 

Their goal is not to throw out the exam, but to gain negotiating leverage with the city.  They're gonna do it by exaggerating the situation from any angle they can.



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Anyone who doesn't considered this cheating needs to have their head checked. People went into this exam already knowing the questions. THATS CHEATING. PERIOD.

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Anyone who doesn't considered this cheating needs to have their head checked. People went into this exam already knowing the questions. THATS CHEATING. PERIOD.


 Yeah, but nobody that took the test on the original test day could have that advantage.



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I think it's definitely cheating. .but shame on those individuals who spoke about the exam questions with the "scammers" .. I stand behind this lawsuit.. however, it should be mentioned there were 164 of us who passed it straight up on the day of the exam ! So why do we have to pay or even not get promoted because some of the ones who took the alternate test takers scammed their way into the list ? The exam is not going to get thrown out. .the best course of action is to change how the exam is administered!

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These 9 people want to throw the Rising Star forum under the bus meanwhile they know that the answer key posted here would have helped a scammed not at all. And the other guy helping with question wording was trying to help all you write your protests and not giving out the answers.

F you guys and that cop hating rag you went crying to. It's a good thing you wasted your money on this since you won't need to be buying white shirts anytime soon.


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2600 people didn't cheat, and 164 people passed fair and square. Then 80 people MAY have cheated, with about 40 passing.

Arguing about this doesn't change a damn thing for the people in the 60s, who failed it fair and square.



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Are they still going through with the promotions on the 29th after this fiasco? This is unfair for those that passed on the initial day of the test.

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These 9 people want to throw the Rising Star forum under the bus meanwhile they know that the answer key posted here would have helped a scammed not at all. And the other guy helping with question wording was trying to help all you write your protests and not giving out the answers.

F you guys and that cop hating rag you went crying to. It's a good thing you wasted your money on this since you won't need to be buying white shirts anytime soon.


 Beautifully posted unborn....



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Only way anything will be held up. Will be IF the filing today causes an injunction on the exam. It would force dcas and the job to stop promotions. Its in the article. Based on the article i dont see a judge going through with it. But im no judge and who knows if thats all theyre going with as an argument.



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NO ONE ESCORTED ME TO THE BATHROOM
NOR WERE THERE ANY PROCTORS IN THE BATHROOM WITH ME. I TOOK THE TEST IN MANHATTAN.

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unborn wrote:

These 9 people want to throw the Rising Star forum under the bus meanwhile they know that the answer key posted here would have helped a scammed not at all. And the other guy helping with question wording was trying to help all you write your protests and not giving out the answers.

F you guys and that cop hating rag you went crying to. It's a good thing you wasted your money on this since you won't need to be buying white shirts anytime soon.


 100% True.. Only 164 please had the merits to sue but they didn't..This sounds like "I am acry baby, sore loser, I didn't pass so I want the test thrown out ****..." It undermines the whole purpose of us trying to get rid of the alternate test.  Its selfish, it's not even mentioned.  Fcuk you Ondeair



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NO ONE ESCORTED ME TO THE BATHROOM
NOR WERE THERE ANY PROCTORS IN THE BATHROOM WITH ME. I TOOK THE TEST IN MANHATTAN.


 I hope your being facetious.  That is probably the most ridiculous thing in the article.  You can throw that allegation at every single test that is administered.  SMH



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NO ONE ESCORTED ME TO THE BATHROOM
NOR WERE THERE ANY PROCTORS IN THE BATHROOM WITH ME. I TOOK THE TEST IN MANHATTAN.


The CAPSLOCK key is located at the left side of the keyboard. Ask a friend how it works.



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Two exams now and both times I left my phone in the car, was escorted to the bathroom, saw no one talking or looking at their phones in the bathroom, didn't scribble the patrol guide on my water bottle or bag of trail mix, and didn't smuggle anything in that would require a bag search. However those that didn't make it now want to suggest that there was cheating at not only the make up, but also on the original test day. Stop grasping at straws, save your money, and try not to take down those of us that made it through that exam on the original test date. And of course, bravo on bringing negative attention to the Department by bringing in to question the integrity of all of our supervisors. Time for a fresh batch of kool aid.

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The 9 names that filed this suit should be put on this forum just like the make up scammers names were put up.

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Make up exam test takers getting the answers doesn't change the fact an original test day taker failed.

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Once again we are our own worst enemy. A forum filled with our discussions, exam related or not, is exposed to the public, allowing it to be sift through with a fine tooth comb.



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Was that the same answer key for makeups or not? And if so, how did more than half still fail....

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Was that the same answer key for makeups or not? And if so, how did more than half still fail....


Of course not. This is where the lawsuit went wrong. Everyone knows the answer choices and questions are mixed up on the makeup test.

As I said earlier, they are throwing sh*t at the wall. IMO by including things in there that are false, it takes away from the credibility of the lawsuit. They should stick to the true facts. We all know there's some legit problems with the test, just stick to that. 



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Was that the same answer key for makeups or not? And if so, how did more than half still fail....


No, it's a different question order. Not saying nobody cheated, but the claim that the answer key being posted helped them in anyway is a complete fabrication. 



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Also, let's not forget that for every exam before this one, DCAS posted the answer key online themselves!

Don't act like it's the code to the vault in Fort Knox. 



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From a media perspective I realize why they went with the answer key, makes it a lot more simple than explaining how the makeup testers actually cheated.

It's funny to think that the media and IA is probably going through every post on this forum with a fine-toothed comb. The weird stuff they're going to read, haha.

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Also, let's not forget that for every exam before this one, DCAS posted the answer key online themselves!

Don't act like it's the code to the vault in Fort Knox. 


Great point. DCAS is to blame for all past scamming. 



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Make up exam test takers getting the answers doesn't change the fact an original test day taker failed.


 But what does change the fact that an original test day taker failed would be the "research" questions.

 Im surprised that isnt mentioned. They should say  what the research question answers were, then show the difference in people who wouldve passed if some other question was thrown out.



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I disagree franknbeans.  They were research questions so it really doesn't matter if you got them all right or all wrong.



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Well anybody have any word what happened today or if it happened ... Curious if thousands of dollars spent on lawyer fees will beat actually studying and passing

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The media doesn't care about the facts..why let facts get in the way of a good story. What a waste of lawyer money.

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I disagree franknbeans.  They were research questions so it really doesn't matter if you got them all right or all wrong.


 

How does it not matter? What was DCAS' rationale for picking those 20 questions as the research questions? You nor I don't know. DCAS should be forced to explain why there's research questions, how they go about making the research questions, if they in fact knew which questions were research questions before they gave the test, what are results of the research and if they did that for any other department's promotional exam. The fact that we as the people who they're doing research on don't know any of this is a better rationale for a lawsuit, versus saying well people cheated. Yea DCAS cant control who cheats. DCAS did control the research questions, and moving forward those should be barred from ever happening on an NYPD promotion exam.

 

If you had a 65 and five other questions were picked as research questions, specifically the ones you got wrong, could you not pick up 5 points to pass an exam if the research questions that DCAS picked were ones you got right? The answer is yes. So then shouldn't the ones who made the research question be forced to explain it?

 

 



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They tried fighting the research questions on the 2013 exam. The research questions were the same for everyone so it really isn't the best argument.



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Franknbeans, of course they know before hand which are research... They do this on lots of tests, even in junior high school.  Research Questions aren't a big deal because they are meaningless.  It doesn't matter what your score could of been... Because it could never of been that score ever Since they don't count.  



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They tried fighting the research questions on the 2013 exam. The research questions were the same for everyone so it really isn't the best argument

 

 

Did they have a lawsuit for it? 

 



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Not sure if the lawsuit was actually filed but it wouldn't have gone anywhere. Like it or not, research questions are very common on exams of this nature. Bar, SAT, LSAT, etc all use research questions.



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Not sure if the lawsuit was actually filed but it wouldn't have gone anywhere. Like it or not, research questions are very common on exams of this nature. Bar, SAT, LSAT, etc all use research questions.


Even in junior high school when I tried to get into Brooklyn Tech nearly 20 years ago.... The exam had research questions.  I missed by a few points.  I guess I should of sued.  Surely getting right all the questions that didn't count would of got me in if I hired an attorney. 



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Franknbeans, of course they know before hand which are research... They do this on lots of tests, even in junior high school.  Research Questions aren't a big deal because they are meaningless.  It doesn't matter what your score could of been... Because it could never of been that score ever Since they don't count.  


 

 

Bigfoot, DCAS doesn't administer JHS exams. And DCAS didn't put research questions on the 2015 Corrections promotion exam to Captain. 

 



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Frank, see the above posts.  Let's agree to disagree.  



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You can conjure up all the conspiracy theories you want. DCAS doesn't care enough to play with the research questions. It's a common testing practice to include research questions to help improve the process. They are set before hand which ones are to be research. You find out which ones were selected on protest day.

If they told us before hand which ones were research, who would answer them? I know I wouldn't waste my time with them. I'd probably even try to get it wrong on purpose just to skew whatever research they are conducting.

At least you guys had extra time for them. I had to answer 30 extra questions in the same time frame on the '13 SGT exam, and those fukkers did not have ONE research question after number 100, knowing full well many people weren't going to finish. Real low blow stuff.

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My point is this lawsuit as it stands is going to go nowhere cause it's not DCAS' fault people cheated. 


So after three promotional exams where there was research questions, asking what's the point of the research is unreasonable?? It's a conspiracy theory to ask th agency responsible for administering the exams to be transparent? Is this some classified info now? I never said hey throw out the list or test because of the research questions.

 


Yea you didn't have more time for your research questions. Which would essentially make you feel candidate for a lawsuit on transparency with these research questions.



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We had the questions to write the perfect protests and yet they denied us any changes. Smh.

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Does anyone else think they threw doggieloverwoof's name into the article just because it's an awesome name and would get laughs from readers?

She didn't have any more to do with that thread than any of the rest of us, haha.



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