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karatekid · Senior Member

To My Elite 164....what are you experiencing out there?

ltexm2015 · Veteran Member

RE: To My Elite 128....what are you experiencing out there?

GDASSCLUB · Senior Member

RE: To My Elite 164....what are you experiencing out there?

scheduleB_magnet · Guru

Everyone already knew I passed on the original day. They all know I went to the protest to fight for them (still don't understand the zero changes). Up until the list release, we all thought I was the only one in the command to pass and everyone was very happy for me knowing how hard I went and the amount of effort I put in. The day they released the list, one other guy in the command, who is a very good friend of mine passed also and he scored VERY WELL on the original test day as well. Everyone already knows I want Captain and I already started doing some light reading. No one is treating me any differently, probably because they all already knew I passed legitimately, something that after the makeup thing came to light, I am very proud of. Also, no one in my command took the makeup so there were no scammers. But many got shafted, including one guy who studied his balls off and ended up with a 69. There were a few 67's and 65's as well. I still feel bad for them.

-- Edited by scheduleB_magnet on Thursday 25th of February 2016 04:27:28 PM

karatekid · Senior Member

GDASSCLUB wrote:
Before yesterday everybody told me they were proud of and deserved the promotion. Then after the post article all the haters come out and tell me my list is getting thrown out.

Be weary of these people GDASSCLUB they are lurking all around us like snakes in the grass waiting to strike with their poison. This list will not get thrown out. We all will get promoted and remember these haters because they will be the same ones smiling in your face when they bump into you at a detail like you were best friends, when they see you wearing your nicely pressed white shirt. I know when they come up to me I will nicely say "do I know you?"

YourBossSoon · Newbie

This morning all the day tour sgts were rounded up by the SBA delegate who basically asked us if we were willing to join a class action lawsuit that would insure the throwing out of this test. The way it was explained to us is that in past instances of cheating within the NYPD the PC has thrown out the exam. This litigation is seeking to have the exam thrown out so that everyone could have a second chance at having a fair test. No one passed at my command so we all signed a petition. This guy is making the rounds in Queens so if you are interested keep an eye out for him.

PROVE IT · Veteran Member

A petition to throw out the test to give people a second chance?..-ahahahahahaahah
And you signed this magical piece of paper?.. Saul goodman is your best shot.

Prop26 · Veteran Member

I'm experiencing disappoint that after studying so hard and because of the makeup testers scamming the whole test faces a possibility of being thrown out. Makes me want to never take one of these tests again. This whole ordeal is ridiculous. I passed fair and square on test day which was on a Saturday April 18th and I should be promoted.

scheduleB_magnet · Guru

Prop26 wrote:
I'm experiencing disappoint that after studying so hard and because of the makeup testers scamming the whole test faces a possibility of being thrown out. Makes me want to never take one of these tests again. This whole ordeal is ridiculous. I passed fair and square on test day which was on a Saturday April 18th and I should be promoted.

Don't worry. When the trolls pass the next one just sign up for a lawsuit to have that one thrown out too. Everyone can play that game apparently.

Transitblows · Senior Member

Im not a elite, but i will say anyone who's goal is to get the test thrown out needs to grow up. That should not be the goal of a class action suit. It should be for change in the future for these exams. If anything there should be a curve to adjust for the scammers ridiculous passing rate. That is the only fair change that could occur to offset the extra months they were able to have( which i still dont see happening). Also at this point i still belive the job doesnt give a fcvk about any of this and will proceed with going through the list without a hitch. My opinion, If they did care they would not have released the list, they would have done something about it before releasing it. If you think they didnt know about all the cheaters/scammers before the list was released than you're just being ignorant. Also all this talk they are going to throwout the list, which is just pathetic trolling,why release it in the first place?

-- Edited by Transitblows on Thursday 25th of February 2016 07:06:05 PM

scheduleB_magnet · Guru

As soon as the first class goes in next month and you guys can then start the list is getting cut rumor because that is up next after this scandal is over.

PROVE IT · Veteran Member

lol these trolls are too much, but at least they provide some comic relief.

bratton will personally throw the test out in the little garbage can in his office.. go grab it.

you little trolls smell like jealousy.

Transitblows · Senior Member

Thermon Monson wrote:
I really do not understand why there so much animosity for those calling for this exam to be thrown out. It is only fair to everyone that this exam is indeed thrown out in order for everyone to get a clear and fair start. It is obvious that the exam is tainted so why not get rid of it and start anew? If indeed the cheaters have the right stuff then let them prove it. If you you did not cheat and passed before then surely you can pass again. A reset exam is fair to all and is the wisest choice. Since cheater based exams have been thrown out before it is only fair that the same be applied this time around.

Just my two cents.

This is the reason why kids these days think everything needs to be fair, also think they deserve to get it their way. Than they cry forever about it When they dont.

-- Edited by Transitblows on Thursday 25th of February 2016 09:30:11 PM

ParkSlopeSGT · Member

Correct me if I am wrong but are you guys really advocating for the powers that be within the NYPD to do nothing about this exam just because you want to secure your positions on a tainted list? You would rather see a scammer made Lt just as long as you are made too? I see some of you advocate for change while under the same breath saying change is good as long as it does not effect me. Wow, is all that I can say. The duplicity coming out of your mouths is mind boggling. A drastic stand against the cheating must be taken even it it means self sacrifice. In two past instances of cheating scandals the end result was the dismissal of the offending test which was the right plan of action. In both instances the test was replaced with a new one and all offended parties were allowed to retake the exam under pristine equally balanced conditions. Although this panacea of sorts seems to offend the current passers of the test it non the less is the best solution. Yes, the solution to the problem is excessive but how else is the nypd going to deal with this particular cheating disease. Just like when a doctor removes a cancerous growth it is wise to also remove some of the healthy tissue around the cancer in order to make sure all of the cancer is contained and excised. The passers of this test are that expendable healthy tissue. They are that collateral damage that is necessary for the survival of the institution called the NYPD.

It is with heavy heart that I advocate for a reset exam. Its just the only way to make sure everything is on the up and up. BTW, this is coming from a passer of the current test. I am willing to sacrifice for change, are you?

IShredMajors · Senior Member

ParkSlopeSGT wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but are you guys really advocating for the powers that be within the NYPD to do nothing about this exam just because you want to secure your positions on a tainted list? You would rather see a scammer made Lt just as long as you are made too? I see some of you advocate for change while under the same breath saying change is good as long as it does not effect me. Wow, is all that I can say. The duplicity coming out of your mouths is mind boggling. A drastic stand against the cheating must be taken even it it means self sacrifice. In two past instances of cheating scandals the end result was the dismissal of the offending test which was the right plan of action. In both instances the test was replaced with a new one and all offended parties were allowed to retake the exam under pristine equally balanced conditions. Although this panacea of sorts seems to offend the current passers of the test it non the less is the best solution. Yes, the solution to the problem is excessive but how else is the nypd going to deal with this particular cheating disease. Just like when a doctor removes a cancerous growth it is wise to also remove some of the healthy tissue around the cancer in order to make sure all of the cancer is contained and excised. The passers of this test are that expendable healthy tissue. They are that collateral damage that is necessary for the survival of the institution called the NYPD.

It is with heavy heart that I advocate for a reset exam. Its just the only way to make sure everything is on the up and up. BTW, this is coming from a passer of the current test. I am willing to sacrifice for change, are you?

This wins the biggest troll post of the day. Congratulations!

scheduleB_magnet · Guru

LOL

ParkSlopeSGT · Member

Sadly you equate anyonewho is for a more fairer exam as being a troll when in fact you are being selfish. Carry on with your own agenda which I have concluded is based in protecting a cheater's score.

Transitblows · Senior Member

Your an idiot. If your going to post in every thread at least make sure you stick to your orginal post that you passed, in every thread.

IShredMajors · Senior Member

It couldn't be more obvious that he's making shyt up. Wikipedia article on Internet Troll:

In Internet slang, a troll (/trol/, /trl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,^[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response^[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion,^[3] often for their own amusement.

Link for my own counter-troll amusement.

-- Edited by IShredMajors on Thursday 25th of February 2016 10:44:50 PM

scheduleB_magnet · Guru

Yeah head over to the 2013 SGT forum. You'll have better luck riling people up over there.

-- Edited by scheduleB_magnet on Thursday 25th of February 2016 10:56:51 PM

LadyD · Member

Throw out the exam?!!?? Absolutely not! That would be an injustice to those who passed fairly. This exam should be curved. That way, everyone is made whole.

bigfoot45 · Guru

Here's the real deal. The list will not be thrown out. Those that took makeups will be investigated if an allegation is made. If there is no proof he or she cheated they will be promoted. Nothing else can be done. Get ready to start studying if you did not pass in either the summer or early fall.

I still want to know how question 45 wasn't a throwout.

Devil Dog · Senior Member

bigfoot45 wrote:
Here's the real deal. The list will not be thrown out. Those that took makeups will be investigated if an allegation is made. If there is no proof he or she cheated they will be promoted. Nothing else can be done. Get ready to start studying if you did not pass in either the summer or early fall.
I still want to know how question 45 wasn't a throwout.

And 106

Transitblows · Senior Member

Devil Dog wrote:
bigfoot45 wrote:
Here's the real deal. The list will not be thrown out. Those that took makeups will be investigated if an allegation is made. If there is no proof he or she cheated they will be promoted. Nothing else can be done. Get ready to start studying if you did not pass in either the summer or early fall.
I still want to know how question 45 wasn't a throwout.
And 106

And 1

Just Joined · Member

Transitblows wrote:
Thermon Monson wrote:
I really do not understand why there so much animosity for those calling for this exam to be thrown out. It is only fair to everyone that this exam is indeed thrown out in order for everyone to get a clear and fair start. It is obvious that the exam is tainted so why not get rid of it and start anew? If indeed the cheaters have the right stuff then let them prove it. If you you did not cheat and passed before then surely you can pass again. A reset exam is fair to all and is the wisest choice. Since cheater based exams have been thrown out before it is only fair that the same be applied this time around.

Just my two cents.
This is the reason why kids these days think everything needs to be fair, also think they deserve to get it their way. Than they cry forever about it When they dont.

-- Edited by Transitblows on Thursday 25th of February 2016 09:30:11 PM

Wow, is this person really saying the list needs to be thrown out so everyone can have a fair and clean shot With another test? You did, as did all the others that failed, it was on April 18. The test was very hard, had BS questions, poorly written questions etc. but you had your shot. As did I and I didn't make it. The problem isn't really the test itself but with the "advantage" that was afforded/taken/abused or whatever by others who took it on an alternate day. About 80% of the list are legit passers. Can't punish them to fuk the scammers. Everyone will get promoted and we can just hope they change this awfup system for the future. Hopefully DCAS and the job will realize that this **** isn't a joke, it's peoples careers and livelihoods. You don't need to be able to work your way through a 25 minute math mind **** to be a lieutenant. Enough with the games.

IShredMajors · Senior Member

As someone who passed, I can say that no one would feel bad for me if the list was thrown out. People who failed would love to see that; everyone is self-serving in that regard. Here is the question that I would pose to anyone in favor of throwing out the list:

When you pass the next LT Exam, would you appreciate your list being thrown out?

Once you make a precedent of dismissing lists, passing the test doesn't mean anything anymore. I don't want to study for 8 months in a world where lists can be thrown out.

-- Edited by IShredMajors on Friday 26th of February 2016 02:14:57 AM

Flambino · Senior Member

IShredMajors wrote:
As someone who passed, I can say that no one would feel bad for me if the list was thrown out. People who failed would love to see that; everyone is self-serving in that regard. Here is the question that I would pose to anyone in favor of throwing out the list:
When you pass the next LT Exam, would you appreciate your list being thrown out?
Once you make a precedent of dismissing lists, passing the test doesn't mean anything anymore. I don't want to study for 8 months in a world where lists can be thrown out.

-- Edited by IShredMajors on Friday 26th of February 2016 02:14:57 AM

I don't think the list should be thrown out...I wouldn't mind a few throw-outs though.

sixmonthwonder · Guru

They should have curved the test at least five points to make up for the no throwouts.

fodx · Guru

Hey when did 128 turn into 164??

bigfoot45 · Guru

When a DCAS rep stated it in the paper. Makes sense. Didn't look like there were 76 makeup test takers on the list. 40 sounds right.... and it is right.

4real · Veteran Member

To be quite honest i think the majority of failures that busted their ass studying doesnt want to whole exam thrown out. Because those are the ones in the 60s. They just want to be made whole with a few throw out given. Even if they still end up failing after throwouts. Its just a better feelig to know it was a fair process. As for the scammers, its really just a big deal now cause so much of the deserving original test takers did fail. The 2011 sgt exam had the same scammers slip thru the cracks. But who cared? It was a fair exam and every1 who really studied passed

EddieFrank · Member

When did the job ever throw out a test? It has never happened

-- Edited by EddieFrank on Friday 26th of February 2016 02:15:04 PM

DOA · Senior Member

4real wrote:
To be quite honest i think the majority of failures that busted their ass studying doesnt want to whole exam thrown out. Because those are the ones in the 60s. They just want to be made whole with a few throw out given. Even if they still end up failing after throwouts. Its just a better feelig to know it was a fair process. As for the scammers, its really just a big deal now cause so much of the deserving original test takers did fail. The 2011 sgt exam had the same scammers slip thru the cracks. But who cared? It was a fair exam and every1 who really studied passed

Excellent post. I feel the same way. I think this post reflects the sentiments of the vast majority of people in the 60s. I'm certainly not hating on the 164. I know two of them personally. Hell, I'm proud of them! They are good people too. Sgts and cops who will report to them will be blessed to have them as supervisors.

I suspect people who are jealous or being petty about this are just malcontents who really didn't put forth enough effort to have a realistic chance of passing any exam much less this one. You guys did a hell of a job! I tip my hat to you. Hold your heads up high and celebrate!

sixmonthwonder · Guru

Nobody is actually looking to get the exam thrown out, the threads saying that are trolls.

SgtTrump · Member

Sixmonthwonder, I wish your were correct but I think you should take a look at the thread over on Thee Rant.

Things are getting a bit bizarre.

http://theerant.yuku.com/topic/82037/NYPD-CHEATING-SCANDAL-BOILING-Exam-verge-thrown-way#.VtC_n_nfdaQ

Seems like a lawsuit is being threatened and it actually has potential.

This is not good. I am at the very tail end of this list and I am getting nervous.

Samiam32 · Senior Member

Gotta love the Rant

But you gotta love the guy who was arrogant enough to score 104.00 Even more.

He singlehandedly ensures that the top of the list gained an unfair advantage by not sitting for the exam on test day. He probably figured DCAS would throw out a bunch of questions and he would slip through the cracks. But DCAS threw a curve ball with zero throwouts, tiny list, thereby making him Stick out like a sore thumb. Good Job Guy!!!

-- Edited by Samiam32 on Friday 26th of February 2016 10:42:34 PM

Devil Dog · Senior Member

SgtTrump wrote:
Sixmonthwonder, I wish your were correct but I think you should take a look at the thread over on Thee Rant.
Things are getting a bit bizarre.
http://theerant.yuku.com/topic/82037/NYPD-CHEATING-SCANDAL-BOILING-Exam-verge-thrown-way#.VtC_n_nfdaQ

Seems like a lawsuit is being threatened and it actually has potential.
This is not good. I am at the very tail end of this list and I am getting nervous.

Bunch of trolls. It's the same guys who guaranteed the all out detail would never return to their commands. Both of these guys were banned from this site, so they've taken their non sense to thee rant

Cheaterpolice · Veteran Member

Most of the guys on the rant haven't been on the job in decades, just a bunch of old geezers..

There is something to the rumors. I'm not going to post what I know for obvious reasons. But that being said I doubt they throw the test out. At most a few guys will be passed over pending an investigation, but even then I think most of the cheaters will be made when it's all said and done. In the meantime we have to hope this thing doesn't grab any media traction which may force Braxton's hand into doing something drastic.

look a single post article is nothing. The rant is irrelevant. What would make this blow up would be a national publication running with it.

And let's be honest, no one cares about this besides us

DOA · Senior Member

Here's the problem with comparing the tests of the past to this: In the prior instances, groups of people either surreptitiously got their hands on the test beforehand or brazenly engaged in cheating during the test.

This is a completely different situation. DCAS has to provide alternate test dates to comply with federal law. There is no way around it. The way they comply is absurd and virtually guarantees cheating. Nonetheless, it's different than somebody bribing someone for an advanced copy of the test or finding the mimeograph in the dumpster the day before the exam (e.g. Animal House).

It's crazy but the DCAS is acting in good faith. Their brand of cheating is essentially sanctioned. If you tossed out this test on that basis, you could toss out the past 20 tests on the same grounds. It isn't going to happen. At best, this debacle will put an end to this nonsense for future tests.

Also, the characters posting on this topic include a new guy who suddenly came out of nowhere and the Rant's equivalent of Licknclitz and company (Curious George and Brutal Observer).

You guys need to relax.

SgtTrump · Member

From my understanding the bulk of the posters on Thee Rant are all retired so basically they have lived through a few cheating scandals. To me their information seems extremely credible and worrisome. They do not have the slightest clue that this forum even exists so why even label them as trolls when they are on their forum and not even on here. This is what has me reading their threads with baited breath. They have a certain insight that none of have. For instance, I didn't know that there were past tests thrown out. This is entirely news to me especially since the guys on here kept saying that there are no instances of test being thrown out in the history of the NYPD. Either our guys are misinformed or they were wrong.

DOA, the person who started the thread is called Dingleberry and from what I am reading he is one of the failures of this exam. The other two you are calling out seem to be retirees who are contributing information. I do not see the point of trying to discredit posters on Thee Rant when in fact none of us knew about Thee Rant until "IshreadMajors" posted a link onto this forum. I think we are a bit too old for conspiracy theories. DOA, while we are at it your entire argument that the job wont throw out this test because it would unravel all the other tests before it is totally ridiculous. How do you explain the other two exams that were thrown out in 1991 and 1996 which did not entail uprooting any prior exams? I know we are all hoping this is not true but spreading false hope under the guise of good information is irresponsible. Let us deal with the facts before jumping to conclusions.

As for this lawsuit that is brewing I just think its being run by a bunch of nitwits who are trying to seize and opportunity and are trying to parlay a failure into a passing grade by suing for this exam to be thrown out. Normally I would pay them no mind but their numbers and message is growing in momentum. What scares me is that they are using precedence to use as fuel in litigation to get what they want and if the current political wind blows their way they will get a makeup exam. They are using teh angle of racism and preferential treatment which are hot topics for this administration and this PC. This lawsuit has potential to gain traction and succeed thus fvcking all those who passed this current exam.

We need to make some calls and voice our opinion to the SBA. We should have a voice even though their numbers are greater than ours. There is no way in hell that i want to take this exam again. If I have to Ill counter sue.

As for you casting suspicion on me just because I am new, well there is nothing I can do about that. You are entitled to your opinion.

-- Edited by SgtTrump on Friday 26th of February 2016 11:13:21 PM

-- Edited by SgtTrump on Friday 26th of February 2016 11:17:24 PM

DOA · Senior Member

Fair enough. So they throw out the test. Then what? The root cause of the cheating still isn't addressed. The job cannot compel DCAS to change its testing policy and procedures. So, you have another exam, alternate dates and more cheating. Only this time the cheaters run silent and deep. Apart from lopping off a few heads, and giving the rest a good scare you have accomplished nothing, The corruption hazard remains and the band plays on. In addition, you've just ****ed up the lives of 164 people who earned their spot (along with the make ups who didn't cheat). I think enough careers were sidelined by this test don't you?

Given the context of how this cheating was accomplished I don't see how the previous examples on the rant are applicable. It's apples and oranges. But what do I know? It's just my opinion. I guess only time will tell.

PROVE IT · Veteran Member

The city would be more afraid of 1 Legit passer suing than 2,500 failures suing who didn't pass and want exam dates changed.
( no offense ) but I would have to say the passer has more of a leg to stand on

SgtTrump · Member

ProveIt, I hope you are right but I was shooting breeze with one of the instructors from the KEY and he basically told me that the litigation plot of the failed dingbats is built on solid ground. He believes they have precedence on their side but ultimately its up to the PC. I sure hope Bratton takes into consideration the time and effort we passers took to make this dream come true.

PROVE IT · Veteran Member

I understand...the test was the test. Hard as hell but passable. What people are fighting for is the make up dates and scammers to be corrected.. 2 totally separate things. Test was valid.
Their is no precedence over this, this is not the Same Exact scenario.
Don't believe the haters.
Remember them saying the 2013 Sgt exam was going to be thrown out bc of no extra time and 30 research questions?.... Remember the 2013 LT exam was going to be thrown out?.... NOTHING GETS THROWN OUT.

common sense · Senior Member

I failed with a 69, i do not want this list to be thrown out i have alot of friends on it who worked their buts off. Now what i would hope for is some sort of common ground with dcas. That they will see their error in no throwouts, if there were 5 throwouts no one would of made such a big deal off of it. Scammers always scam and it is what it is.l, but how is 45 or 106 not a throw out how is number 1 not a double answer. The failures that studied hard but just fell short want 1 of 2 things either they recon ider the throwouts or to put a end to the scamming so we wont get railroaded again.

PROVE IT · Veteran Member

Yes and that is the gripe we all agree with

SgtTrump · Member

Better safe than sorry. Im reviewing my study material once again. All signs pointing to the fact that this exam is toast.

PROVE IT · Veteran Member

Keep reviewing last years material... Good idea.