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They should be demoted for passed cheater

They lied about the numbers. 164 on the original date? 48 scammers? Wasn't it 128 original passers?

-- Edited by Doggieloverwoof on Wednesday 24th of February 2016 05:02:41 PM

wisecop wrote:

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tkny1004 wrote:

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How many of them are sunday takers?

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 The numbers are outrageous, it's really hard to get pass the top 30 without getting nauseous... The first LT BMOC with mostly the dumbest sergeants on the job very interesting...

-- Edited by wisecop on Wednesday 24th of February 2016 05:20:48 PM

We will know if the job is actually doing an investigation by if there are a large amount of passovers when promotions happen. 

I thought 36 out of 164 are sunday takers and 40 make up takers. Total 76 bs×=×*!

-- Edited by tkny1004 on Wednesday 24th of February 2016 05:46:45 PM

Slate wrote:

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Doggieloverwoof wrote:

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They lied about the numbers. 164 on the original date? 48 scammers? Wasn't it 128 original passers?

-- Edited by Doggieloverwoof on Wednesday 24th of February 2016 05:02:41 PM

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 This is coming from dcas rep. We got our breakdown numbers from ondeeair

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Which source is more reputable... DCAS or ONDEEAIR?  I for one think ONDEEAIR. 

Cheaters will not be punish by the department because some of the "higher ups" in the department also found these types of exam "loopholes" when they took their promotional exams initially! The only way we can change the system is by having DCAS and the Department come up with multiple versions of the exam to give to people with different test dates! Besides, the exam it self is usually consist of approximately 10% of the questions written by exam "makers", so therefore the Department and DCAS can use the remaining 90% of the "left over" questions to make another version of the exam! PROBLEM SOLVED!

You'll never eliminate the makeup exam.  The idea is to minimize it. 

I'd go to the P.A. just to look into the class and see how they are huddled together convincing themselves that they did it legit

He was number 13 on the 2013 Captains test. Was eligible for promotion 4/2015

NewUser wrote:

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Here's something interesting. The captain that decided to go eot while two of his own were in a gun battle and injured, Captain Scott Forster! Yeah, he scammed drill for each test. Scored in the top percentile for all three. If you're unfamiliar with the story, see link below.

www.google.com/amp/nypost.com/2016/02/25/nypd-captain-stripped-of-shield-and-gun-for-going-home-after-cops-were-shot/amp/

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 I know the captain in question. He did not scam any of his tests. He was done with the military by the time he arrived on this job.

sumadre I know the captain also very smart man, but what he did is unforgivable. There is also rumors swirling of a previous incident.

I NEVER post on his site. But I use to work with Capt. Scott Froster in the 122 precinct. We were cops together. This doesn't mean much, but he is NOT a scammer! Military guy, yes, but NOT a scammer! He studied like a mad-man to get where he is!

I cannot comment on the state of anything else, but I know for certain that he served and he took the test on the initial test-date.

 

I wish him nothing but the best and hope that it turns out well for him.

common sense wrote:

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sumadre I know the captain also very smart man, but what he did is unforgivable. There is also rumors swirling of a previous incident.

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 I could be a very smart man too if my career was laid out for me. Captain in less than 10 years, in law school, a work out buff, etc .   No one does that without having things go their way all the time.  He disappeared job a job as a lieutenant before.  He has people looking out for him.  Family and family friends high up on the job.   No one can do what he did in his career without having it cushy for him.  He never busted his a$$ the others had to.  Fact.    He get what comes to him.  Then his lesson would be learn to actually work for once in his career and pay dues.   I don't feel bad for him one bit.   Maybe he will learn to be a cop for once.   But knowing how this job is, he will be protected.

Yah, okay.   of course I could, especially with the "help" he had and the accommodations he, and many like him, had throughout his career.  I could be an astronaut too.

it is very well known why he left, as he did many times before.  Because he made it work for HIM. Only him.   Without recourse and with protection and assistance.   Throughout these threads, we read how this particular Captain - hopefully soon to be back to lieutenant, and others like him are this way or that way and no good, well, those are the ones who advance through nepotism.   Fact.    Those are the ones that never had it rough or pay their dues like i or you or other good cops did.   He read a book.  He had plenty of time and convenience and "guidance" from higher ranks to memorize a text book to pass a test.  Memorizing passages in a book.  EVERYONE of us would pass these tests the same way if we didn't have to sit in a patrol car and answer calls, serve mental hygiene warrants a half hour before end of tour,prisoner transports with 12 smelly perps and then take of the perps to the hospital right before being lodged at central booking because one wants to go sick, execute a search warrant at 0601 hours in the morning, track down a complainant for an interview to close a case that won't go away, go to the DAs office or traffic court at least once a week, write summonses, stand foot posts, go to details, etc.  

Tell me me that this clown did half of that on a regular basis AND score high on all these exams, and I will shake his hand and walk away with my tail between my legs.  Not that pretty boy.    There are true leaders like that though.  For example, there is at least one sergeant that did pass the 2015 Lt exam on April 18 all the while being very active in OCCB.  Fact.   Mark of a true leader.

so yes, if we busted our a$$es the "way" this captain did as I mentioned earlier, we can all be captains.  He is a phony and sham to this department.   He is a product of what is truly wrong with the nepotism within the department.  He is a disgrace to his rank, this job, and the cops in his command.   He is a disgrace to me.   

 

Fvck this jerkoff who hopscotched throughout his career.  He is everything that embodies why our leadership is unfair, poor decision makers and is purely out for self-gain that would screw someone over for his own benefit.   He screwed over the p.o. That he told to sign him out by getting him involved.   He should've signed his own damn self out.  He's a big boy.   What cop would say no to a Captain?    And if this officer did say no, and the two cops did not get shot that night, you could be damn captain that had his career handed to him, would have hid behind his captain shield and screwed or messed with this officer for refusing him.   Fact.   So fvck him and others like him.  cowards.

-- Edited by Boogie Knight on Saturday 5th of March 2016 03:41:29 PM

-- Edited by Boogie Knight on Saturday 5th of March 2016 06:41:43 PM

W_T_F_ wrote:

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Here's a recent video interview this captain did with a news media from Staten Island. Check it out...
www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2016/03/i_would_never_turn_my_back_on.html

I'm not sure if we are allow to talk to the news media without the Job's consent...hmmmm...

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 As a footnote to my previous post, and this article, this guy has hypertensive crisis issues AND could achieve all he has in his career, with "NO" assistance? Wow.  Truly amazing.  Yah, okay again.   

Plus he's from Staten Island.  A borough loaded with high ranking executives on this job, active and retired.   Some network.

What Forster did in regards to the night in question was all his doing. He did an unauthorized tour change and he refused to come in. Those are absolute facts. Had he simply come back to work nothing more would come out if this.

But your rant about how he cheated the system, sounds like crybaby nonsense. Forster NEVER passed a test on a alternate test date. If he had hooks to go to better commands, so what? Is he the first guy in the history of this dept to use a phone call to go to a better command? Outside of the customary FTU, I worked patrol my whole career as a cop in a busy command, you busted your ass wherever you went. Did we take "the road less traveled"? Did we learn "the job" the right way? Did we learn "how to be cop" faster than other cops at less busier commands or in cushier gigs? I would say yes. But I don't begrudge anyone who didn't use a phone call to sweeten their professional life.

At the end day, people with juice will FOREVER make it work for them. People who can take advantage of the system, ALWAYS WILL. For example, Phil Banks was COD and he took all 3 tests on alternate dates. THESE THINGS WILL NEVER CHANGE. So instead of bitching about how " unfair" the situation is, do something about your own career to make it better.