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You are NEVER going to get A union to lift a finger over promotional exams. Why would they help you leave the union?
Actually, that is not true. It is the union's job to represent and fight for their current members, even if they may leave the union eventually. You don't think the SBA may care about whom a SGT's immediate supervisor is? I'm waiting to hear a response from them, even if they decide to do nothing.
SBA cannot help us in this fight. We are going against other Sgts accusing them of cheating. They can't go after them because they have to represent them as well. They can't represent us because we're going after other Sgts. Wont work. Conflict of interest. And if you guys don't already know, THE UNIONS ARE A JOKE!!!!
SBA cannot help us in this fight. We are going against other Sgts accusing them of cheating. They can't go after them because they have to represent them as well. They can't represent us because we're going after other Sgts. Wont work. Conflict of interest. And if you guys don't already know, THE UNIONS ARE A JOKE!!!!
You guys need to get over your obsession with punishing the scammers. If that's what you want, you are right. The SBA will not help. Why would they pursue actions that would hurt their members? Would you? The make up scam needs to change but if you want it done, you'll have to pay for it out of pocket. That's a no-brainer!
I am sure the SBA can assist with Art. 78 to help fight some of these contentious questions. Pursuing this can only benefits members and harms none. I've always said that, overall, I think the test was solid. Was it flawless? Hardly! There may be a few wins in there. Between the instructor lock out and this decision it's apparent someone in DCAS decided the change game was over. That's great! Changes have become a big scam in and of themselves. Unfortunately for them, their unofficial mandate didn't magically make this test flawless. It's pretty clear in this case. 106 is a ground ball (I got it right too). I think Ops Orders could be in play (I don't even know if I got them right or wrong). I am sure the other usual suspects (1, 7, 10, etc.) may be worth a try. Why not? The worst that can happen is nothing. This is why we pay dues. If they give us the runaround or articulate a valid reason not to pursue any action, we're free to consider other legal options or just cut our losses and get ready for 2017.
Also, as it has been written on other topics, there are quite a few potential angles they may or may not be able/willing to pursue. None of them involve burning fellow Sergeants but will simply make the testing process more fair moving forward. It doesn't help us this time around but . . . guess what? A lot of us are going to have to pick up the PG in a couple weeks and start this **** it all over again. Maybe a little legal pressure will keep the job and this agency from screwing us in 2017. Who knows? In any case, the SBA is the logical 1st stop in this process. How does it hurt to ask?
The goal isn't to "punish the scammers," the goal is to change the process to minimize scamming in the future.
That's why we need to get all the asterisks, even the ones that aren't cheaters. We have to present our case backed up with data that proves that the make-up testers pass more often, and score higher in general.
Have you been reading this forum? The only thing missing are the torches and pitchforks. As for collecting data and information on scammers, that's what you pay an attorney to do. This is all about shaming people. **** them! They deserve it! The outrage is understandable too. I'm as angry as anyone. But the energy being used on this site to focus on this issue to the exclusion of others is largely wasted. It also does nothing for the people currently south of the line.
If a reputable firm is willing to take the case on the makeups. I'm more than happy to contribute when they pass around the hat. In the meantime, there are other actions that can be taken that might help people now. The SBA may or may not be willing and/or able to help with those actions.
I was simply asking if anyone has spoken to them and see what feedback they got. I don't want to be th 100th person to call them. I'd rather deal with people in person for something like this. A little intel on their stance in advance of that wouln't hurt.
The union is not going touch this, it's a conflict of interest. Numerous sergeants including myself have reached out with negative results. If this is going to be addressed it will have to be via different avenues. I can see why no one has touched this in the past, the're so many implications. First, you have to get the guys that failed on board but there's no insensitive for them...in addition you have to get a substantial amount of the 128 guys who passed to also agree and let's be honest most guys just don't want to jeopardize postponing their promotions, and lastly you have to get a lawyer who thinks you have a shot. I think it's time to do something. Another option is the media can shame the city into doing something.
-- Edited by wisecop on Tuesday 23rd of February 2016 11:42:45 PM
-- Edited by wisecop on Tuesday 23rd of February 2016 11:46:01 PM
-- Edited by wisecop on Tuesday 23rd of February 2016 11:49:18 PM
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Regarding the lack of response from the union...Its disrespectful to simply ignore us, since you take our money atleast acknowledges us and tell us you can't do anything, but it is what it is.
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I have cause to believe an article about this exam will appear in the paper tomorrow. I could be wrong. Maybe it will never make it to print. It's up to the editors I guess. A potential story absolutely exists.
For the record, I have zero interaction with the media and it will stay that way. I had nothing to do with this. I have no further details regarding the content of the story, what angle it will take, length, prominance in the paper, etc. Don't bother PMing me guys. I have nothing more for you.
I'm passing along intel I heard that I deam to be reliable. I'll guess we'll see what happens tomorrow.
-- Edited by DOA on Wednesday 24th of February 2016 01:29:06 AM
I know a lot of you'll are upset about the exam but I would be careful about calling people scammers and cheaters with little to no proof. Then when people put individuals out on social media and label them with out just cause, you're violating federal law at this site and individuals can be held responsible. Not starting but just be cautious because you all are walking down a slippery slope.
I know a lot of you'll are upset about the exam but I would be careful about calling people scammers and cheaters with little to no proof. Then when people put individuals out on social media and label them with out just cause, you're violating federal law at this site and individuals can be held responsible. Not starting but just be cautious because you all are walking down a slippery slope.
Why are you writing this on every thread? Are you just trolling us?
Not trolling but I know some people don't go on every thread because of the non-sense of some but will limit my post to one thread. Just sharing aware!
-- Edited by Modified4life on Wednesday 24th of February 2016 05:23:33 AM
The only way that the union can help us is to go after DCAS and find out why the make up test was administered so far after the original test date. Also they could inquire as to the fairness of the TVB findings. With this current anti police climate it wouldn't surprise me that someone in DCAS found a way to make it personal and screw 2400 cops. However I for one do not have much trust with the union.
When cops were complaining about the 2013 Sgt test guys in my command reached out to the PBA the answer was "sorry"....think about it if theres a list containing 1200 names why would they help you? That means you have 1200 people stopping Union dues. The only ones who might remotely care is the next Union but then again why would they represent people who are not currently in the union? The sba might put out a statement but that's it there's 204 people currently leaving the union why would they want to have an additional amount leaving?
The only way that the union can help us is to go after DCAS and find out why the make up test was administered so far after the original test date. Also they could inquire as to the fairness of the TVB findings. With this current anti police climate it wouldn't surprise me that someone in DCAS found a way to make it personal and screw 2400 cops. However I for one do not have much trust with the union.
Giving an impossibly hard exam and then giving the make up weeks later, let's you choose who you want to pass the test. You can ignore it if you want but it's a reality.
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