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machine · Senior Member

e-mail DCAS commissioner

machine · Senior Member

Point out the diversity theory some of u came up with (which would please her boss Deblassio),

the fact that only 4/5% of 2,600 actually passed the Lt test VS the bar exam she took herself or a medical test...

lets keep fighting to the very end fellas, not just b!($& all day here which really don't take us anywhere... Send ur email today so that she hear us by Monday....

sgt2be · Guru

dude...no offense...dcas didnt mess this test up. They have no FREAKING clue what is important or what is not. You had test writers who made this test hard on purpose. They are the ones to blame. DCAS can be blamed for the awful process of getting our list together

machine · Senior Member

That's exactly my point, they have nothing to do with it, but DCAS commissioner have the power to make it right by enforcing the throwouts or maybe even curving the test.

We don't want this to be the case where once the list is released she comes back and says she had no idea about the infights of this exam.

-- Edited by machine on Saturday 30th of January 2016 01:19:02 PM

Lu515 · Senior Member

machine wrote:
That's exactly my point, they have nothing to do with it, but DCAS commissioner have the power to make it right by enforcing the throwouts or maybe even curving the test.

We don't want this to be the case where once the list is released she comes back and says she had no idea about the infights of this exam.

-- Edited by machine on Saturday 30th of January 2016 01:19:02 PM

Dude are you serious she has nothing to do with the writing of the test. If that's the case lets email the mayor himself.

sgt2be · Guru

I think you'll see a under 300 person list w a new test in a year or two. This was not a disaster of a test where 10 or more questions should be thrown out. I think it will mimic the 2013 captains test and subsequent test after. Ofcourse my opinion is worth no more then anyone else who thinks you'll see a 500 person list. But to all the fsilures I ask you this one question...do you want to chance getting on a bigger list w the results being if you do not...no test for another 4 years??? New test....new chance..but obvious more work. I'd rather a new shot whole the material is still in my head

machine · Senior Member

So u guys are telling she has no influence on ordering a thorough review of the TVB findings and/or finding out how ****ed up the test was? I doubt that.

Yes, most commissioner are just the puppets in front of the agency and the email will most likely not go anywhere, but it's worth a shot.

It might get us better results than just chattering here all day, that really take us nowhere... We're just waiting bent over to get screw... I say it's not over till it's over.

sgt2be · Guru

No one got screwed by tvb or dcas...you screwed yourself by not studying everything possible. I screwed myself by not studying operation orders hence I lost 6 points. You're basing your passing grade on a board that should throw out questions so YOU can pass. It was a riduculous hard test...the numbers show that. The only ppl that screwed you are your fellow umos bosses and yourself imho

sgt2be · Guru

as for hte military getting better grades....we let that happen. Because no one can keep their mouths shut. We HAVE TO TALK about the questions and how unfair it was to see ops orders....so if you truly want things to change...why not start working on ourselves first to control what is in our powers to control

machine · Senior Member

Sgt2be u are just confirming my point that blabbing here amount ourselves don't take us anywhere. You passed and congratulations. I failed, but I have zero regret for the effort I put into that test, cause I know I gave it absolutely my all.

And yes, of course I'm still making a fuss about this so that I can pass...hoping for that miracle, nothing wrong with that.

If u don't want to reach out to the commissioner that's fine, but don't discourage others from doing so, cause u like myself don't know what she can or can't do...she might have a say in the matter and that "might" alone is worth for us to reach out (those of us that failed anyways lol).

sgt2be · Guru

not discouraging you....merely saying your anger is pointed at the wrong ppl....youd be better off writting that email to the captain :) dcas will not comment...or will not give you anything worth while...reason? lawsuit. I wish you the best and unfortunately i know many ppl who gave it their all for this will end of getting the hsort end of the stick. At this point..id rather see a regrouping and another fairer but still challenging test come next like the 2014 captain exam. ...DR PAPI can i get the catch phrase please??!!

sixmonthwonder · Guru

As I've said on another post, the Commissioner of DCAS likely cares very little about this test, if at all. The 2015 Lieutenant Exam is our whole world, but it's just another marble in a giant jar for DCAS, they administer thousands of tests and this is just one.

Not saying don't give it a try, good luck, just don't think they'll listen. Nobody at DCAS has even cracked open a Patrol Guide in their life, they wouldn't even know where to start in examining our test. It would be like reading another language for them.

Regardless, good luck again, I know a few people personally who studied just as hard as me who fell in the 65 - 69 range and they deserve to pass. Hopefully there are enough changes to push most of the people in that range through.

DoctorLexx · Veteran Member

Dude, I tried emailing DCAS and being all professional and that happy horsecrap, but I could never get past "Greetings, ladies, gentlemen and the employees of DCAS." After that line all I could type was FCUK, FCUK, FCUK, FCUK!!! So, safe to say, DCAS will not be hearing from me anytime soon.

P.S. I still believe the first LTs will get pinned on Feb 26th. My revelations have never been wrong before.

LadyD · Member

Let me start by saying, I've been watching this forum for 10 months and I think you're on to something! The job will not like controversy or to appear their sergeants are not being treated fairly. I heard from a 30+ year Lt that the job doesn't like to get sued over promo exams. Even if they win it doesn't look good. Why do you think they haven't killed a list since that last one all those Sergeants died on? There was a lawsuit. We have to start making noise. The job or the media but our voices need to be heard. Sgt2be is a hater. Always giving negative opinions about EVERYTHING!

sgt2be · Guru

Go sue!! Haha hood luck w that one lady..haha oh man. Start a go fund me lady I'll give you a dollar to get started. You want to know why my posts are so "rough"? Bc they speak reality....yes go make noise lady....I'm sure a rally will do it in front of dcas. Instead of looking at ourselves...such as myself for not studying ops orders..we want to blame someone else. I said it from the begininng...ppl passed..guess it was 128 lucky saturdays.

I-go-deep · Senior Member

Lawsuits have been tried before, never changed anything. The biggest fuzz was for the 2006 LT exam, there was a big movement not to get the list cut. Guess what? They failed. I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it's not going to change anything for this exam.

Bigguy69 · Senior Member

Sgt2be speaks the truth. People with under 70 don't want to hear the truth, they want to hear what they want to hear. Lawsuit ain't doing anything . Small list with minimal changes is probably the reality. Can't do anything about it but take the next test and that's it.

sgt2be · Guru

There will be changes...IF and it's a big iff....let's say the number 250 to 300 is correct. That most likely indicates 3 to 5 changes. That's normal for a test! 2011 lt test of 20 was not! I take nothing away from ppl that studied their butt off and failed..but ud be better finding out if you made it and learning from this test and hitting the next one alil more smarter and wiser decreasing your chances of them surprising you w ops orders or multiple procedures in one question

LadyD · Member

I know the change won't be instant but can anyone tell me if a list was cut since that Lt nightmare in (I believe) 2006? Instead of crying up here on this forum, cry where we can be heard. Maybe for the next exam we will get a hard but fair exam.

I-go-deep · Senior Member

No other list has been cut since the 2006 LT exam.

sgt2be · Guru

The 2006 list expired and was not cut..big difference

Transitblows · Senior Member

2006 took a hit because of the economy everything stopped in 2008 holding up everything not just promotions thats why the 2006 list didnt go as far as it probably would have

DOA · Senior Member

If you want to address this the 1st stop is the SBA. I'm not talking about your delegate or trustee. Approach the board. I know people think that it's a waste of time. "They don't care. They lose members who get promoted . . . ' Maybe but they only get members through promotional exams too. For my money, there is no better union leadership on this job. I've reached out to them in the past and, whether I liked the answer or not, they always responded and they always explained why they take a certain position. Sometimes the Sgt concerned is just plain wrong. Sometimes it's a case of winning a battle but losing a war. In this case, they may not think it's worth it the resources to 'tilt the windmills.' Whatever . . .it's at least worth a shot. There's a big difference between Sgt. Jones dropping a line and Sgt. Mullins.

The only problem I see in reaching out to people is there is nothing officially to complain about yet.

Sarge · Senior Member

i think lady d is on to something.... look at what they did to the firefighters test when that wasn't diverse enough....

LadyD · Member

A petition should be initiated. If we could get 500 Sgts to sign, that would be great. I'm sure the SBA would back it at that point.

Slate · Senior Member

Fdny was an entrance exam not based on any guides as oppose to our Patrol Guide. BIG difference, but good luck in your endeavors

-- Edited by Slate on Sunday 31st of January 2016 04:18:44 AM

GDASSCLUB · Senior Member

The brutal truth about this exam is it was above most people's academic level. To be honest the majority of the test takers were not smart enough to pass. I know it is a hard pill to swallow, but that is the truth. All you failures can make excuses that it's not fair because of Captain insano, race, being on patrol but the reality is you got beat. Your were out smart! BTW I am the elite 128 who is a minority that is a patrol Sgt!

Su Madre 24 · Guru

GDASSCLUB wrote:
The brutal truth about this exam is it was above most people's academic level. To be honest the majority of the test takers were not smart enough to pass. I know it is a hard pill to swallow, but that is the truth. All you failures can make excuses that it's not fair because of Captain insano, race, being on patrol but the reality is you got beat. Your were out smart! BTW I am the elite 128 who is a minority that is a patrol Sgt!

I failed and I take full accountability. Many who failed have spent more time blaming Vucinaj andother factors than themselves. You are correct.

DOA · Senior Member

GDASSCLUB wrote:
Your were out smart!

LOL - OK genius!

Sarge · Senior Member

I failed and I blame it on the ridiculous questions that weren't grammatically correct and the use of answers that were obtained from after the cut off date. Oh and the fact that he was using questions on procedures that the instructors told us not to study...

HardExam · Senior Member

#106 answer was an interim order from January 23, eight days after the cut off date.. #1 was clearly an opinionated answer.. Th rest of the questions were written by a f*cking ass*ole..

bigfoot45 · Guru

HardExam wrote:
#106 answer was an interim order from January 23, eight days after the cut off date.. #1 was clearly an opinionated answer.. Th rest of the questions were written by a f*cking ass*ole..

Agreed, and question 45. I haven't complained about 45 in a while.

LadyD · Member

Ok "outsmart"! I'm sure we're proficient in reading English. I shouldn't have to spend 15 minutes on 1 question trying to figure out what is being asked. That's a problem! A lot of the questions weren't written properly. That has nothing to do with Patrol, class or race!

Bklyn net · Senior Member

LOL nothing makes u and detsgt more mad than 45 ..hey hope ur right need that one.

Bklyn net · Senior Member

Ppl are here said 106 was good

sixmonthwonder · Guru

LadyD wrote:
I know the change won't be instant but can anyone tell me if a list was cut since that Lt nightmare in (I believe) 2006? Instead of crying up here on this forum, cry where we can be heard. Maybe for the next exam we will get a hard but fair exam.

That's because so many people passed that exam and they weren't promoting a huge amount, it has nothing to do with lawsuits. Approximately half the amount of people passed the 2011 Lieutenant Exam, even after changes. I called it from the beginning that the 2011 Sergeant List wouldn't be cut, not because of lawsuits, but because it made sense that they would need that many sergeants in about three to four years. If there were 2650 people on the list it would have been cut, they wouldn't have hired an extra 1000 sergeants just to avoid a lawsuit. They would have let the list run the four years and then started on the 2013 list.

Flambino · Senior Member

BIGFOOT don't forget #89! #89 is my #45. I got both wrong by the way. Lol.

Windeast · Senior Member

#10.... Gee wiz

Bigguy69 · Senior Member

GDASSCLUB wrote:
The brutal truth about this exam is it was above most people's academic level. To be honest the majority of the test takers were not smart enough to pass. I know it is a hard pill to swallow, but that is the truth. All you failures can make excuses that it's not fair because of Captain insano, race, being on patrol but the reality is you got beat. Your were out smart! BTW I am the elite 128 who is a minority that is a patrol Sgt!

Many of the elite 128 could have easily been in my position with a 69. You for sure had to be on your A game to pass that test but at the same time I believe you needed a little luck too. There were 2 guys in my protest that barley passed with a 70 and 71 and told me " omg I so thought I bombed this test, guessed on a lot of them" That test was way over the top.

Sarge · Senior Member

Bklyn net wrote:
Ppl are here said 106 was good

the same people who said that are the ones who said the list was gonna be released months ago..... to quote batman, "don't believe everything you hear son."

bigfoot45 · Guru

Bigguy69 wrote:
GDASSCLUB wrote:
The brutal truth about this exam is it was above most people's academic level. To be honest the majority of the test takers were not smart enough to pass. I know it is a hard pill to swallow, but that is the truth. All you failures can make excuses that it's not fair because of Captain insano, race, being on patrol but the reality is you got beat. Your were out smart! BTW I am the elite 128 who is a minority that is a patrol Sgt!
Many of the elite 128 could have easily been in my position with a 69. You for sure had to be on your A game to pass that test but at the same time I believe you needed a little luck too. There were 2 guys in my protest that barley passed with a 70 and 71 and told me " omg I so thought I bombed this test, guessed on a lot of them" That test was way over the top.

Bigguuy, you are correct. I scored a 72 but I certainly could of scored a 69 if a few guesses didnt go my way. I get what gdassclub is saying though. If you aren't inheritantly bright you didn't pass this test no matter how much you studied .... But I know some bright people that still didn't pass. if you got in the mid sixties, a few lucky guesses really could of changed your fate.

sixmonthwonder · Guru

Yeah, anyone who got below an 80, and even some who scored higher, got lucky in a sense. Yes you had to be smart and study your ass off, but even if you got an 80 you're telling me you 100% knew all 80 of those questions and every single question you took an educated guess on you got wrong? BS.

The difference between a 75 and 69 is six lucky guesses, anyone who score higher than a 60 on this travesty probably studied extremely hard and just got unlucky on a few guesses
Unless you got a 95 you aren't that much smarter or more dedicated than the guys who barely failed.

bigfoot45 · Guru

Sixmonthwonder, I agree with you to an extent. All I'm is saying is that if you aren't extremely bright you didn't pass. Again, I know extremely bright people that didn't pass but if you weren't extremely bright to start with, I don't think you had a shot no matter how much you studied.

sixmonthwonder · Guru

bigfoot45 wrote:
Sixmonthwonder, I agree with you to an extent. All I'm is saying is that if you aren't extremely bright you didn't pass. Again, I know extremely bright people that didn't pass but if you weren't extremely bright to start with, I don't think you had a shot no matter how much you studied.

I agree, that's part of what I was trying to say.

I'm pretty smart (for a cop) and studied so hard I almost went insane. I would have gotten a 95 on the 2006 Lieutenant Exam. I still consider myself extremely fortunate for passing this test. There's nothing "elite" about the 128 people who passed. Like you said, if you weren't smart or you half-assed it studying you didn't have a shot from the gate, but many who were smart and dedicated were still destroyed by this test :( It's pretty sad.

Devil Dog · Senior Member

Yes, I've spoken to a few people about this. The three factors you needed to pass the test were intelligence, luck, and being a hard core studier. Missing one of those likely equals failure. All the answers I changed before the bell rang went the right way...very lucky.

Windeast · Senior Member

It's Groundhog Day folks.... The ground hog saw its shadow, which means 6 more weeks of no list...

DETSGT · Guru

Windeast wrote:
It's Groundhog Day folks.... The ground hog saw its shadow, which means 6 more weeks of no list...

Lol. Most accurate post on the thread

tinydeer · Member

bored upset bill murray boring groundhog day

DRPapi1983 · Guru

DETSGT wrote:
Windeast wrote:
It's Groundhog Day folks.... The ground hog saw its shadow, which means 6 more weeks of no list...
Lol. Most accurate post on the thread

Agree !!! Lmao

Wingnut · Senior Member

machine wrote:
instead of complaining among ourselves, why those of us that are still fighting and have a bit of hope for a miracle take the time to send a note to the new commissioner of DCAS, not to cry or to be nasty, but to point out and articulate the injustice of our exam and maybe she as the NEW commissioner take a personal look to it and stear it the right way for us.... See link below:

http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/maildcas.html

You know that these contvt us emails are nothing more than the 311 computers at the desk...

90x, 90x, 91,91, 91, 91, 90y, 91... All clear boss!