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TheSonofXavier · Veteran Member

Vacancies

bigcitysgt · Veteran Member

Can't be too many, nobody is retiring.

technocrat1 · Guru

As of 11/2
Vac: +4 -- means they promoted 4 more over the allotted amount of capts.
TL: 8

technocrat1 · Guru

As of 11/25
Vac: +4
TL: 8

no change

wereinbacklog · Guru

Thanks

bha78 · Senior Member

Any word on a December class? Last I heard we were +4 but figured I would ask anyway.

infinity · Senior Member

Last I heard was no class till Jan/feb

bha78 · Senior Member

Thanks

bigcitysgt · Veteran Member

Virtually no one is leaving right now. I don't doubt that we won't see another class until next year.

technocrat1 · Guru

12/2

Vac: +4
TL : 7

mjehangir96 · Senior Member

In Yesterday's all in for Sgt/LT Bratton said that soon all PCT CO will be at least DI and he doesn't want Captains to be CO. By promoting captain COs to DIs, it should create some vacancies.

wereinbacklog · Guru

mjehangir96 wrote:
In Yesterday's all in for Sgt/LT Bratton said that soon all PCT CO will be at least DI and he doesn't want Captains to be CO. By promoting captain COs to DIs, it should create some vacancies.

About 40 additional slots

skiguy37 · Senior Member

wereinbacklog wrote:
mjehangir96 wrote:
In Yesterday's all in for Sgt/LT Bratton said that soon all PCT CO will be at least DI and he doesn't want Captains to be CO. By promoting captain COs to DIs, it should create some vacancies.
About 40 additional slots

I don't understand how it's gonna create 40 additional spots. They are just changing their title to DI, not creating a new captain position. The precinct won't require an additional captain. Am I missing something?

bigfoot45 · Guru

Skiguy, based on the info provided you are correct. Doesn't make sense.

bigcitysgt · Veteran Member

Also, it will be done gradually if in fact that's the plan. It's not like they're going to promote 40 captains at once.

wereinbacklog · Guru

skiguy37 wrote:
wereinbacklog wrote:
mjehangir96 wrote:
In Yesterday's all in for Sgt/LT Bratton said that soon all PCT CO will be at least DI and he doesn't want Captains to be CO. By promoting captain COs to DIs, it should create some vacancies.
About 40 additional slots
I don't understand how it's gonna create 40 additional spots. They are just changing their title to DI, not creating a new captain position. The precinct won't require an additional captain. Am I missing something?

There are approximately 40 Captains holding a CO position. If they get promoted to DI it will create 40 Captain vacancies. Same logic applies to other ranks. A Lt that gets promoted to Captain creates 1 vacancy in the LT rank.

wereinbacklog · Guru

bigcitysgt wrote:
Also, it will be done gradually if in fact that's the plan. It's not like they're going to promote 40 captains at once.

He said it will be implemented within the next several months.

hollar · Guru

I beg to differ..... Captain promoted to DI does not create a vacancy

Vacancy are created with retirees in the executive world.... We're would the dept. place an additional 40 captains if nobody retires?

technocrat1 · Guru

I'm hearing the new SATCOM model has the potential for 2 XO's per command. Perhaps the PC was insinuating that CO's will be DI's and above to oversee their XO's?

skiguy37 · Senior Member

hollar wrote:
I beg to differ..... Captain promoted to DI does not create a vacancy

Vacancy are created with retirees in the executive world.... We're would the dept. place an additional 40 captains if nobody retires?

This is exactly what I was saying. If a CO is a captain and an XO is a captain, and then the CO gets promoted to DI, it wouldn't create a vacancy. It's just a captain designated as a DI.

skiguy37 · Senior Member

technocrat1 wrote:
I'm hearing the new SATCOM model has the potential for 2 XO's per command. Perhaps the PC was insinuating that CO's will be DI's and above to oversee their XO's?

Now if this was true, that would create a ton of additional positions which would make all 3 promotion lists move quickly. I would love if this was true

technocrat1 · Guru

From a numeric perspective there are approximately 393 spots for Capts. Those Capt's promoted to DI, actually create a surplus of DI's; who for argument sake are slated for 70. So if 40 Capts are promoted then the DI head count would swell to 110. Thus creating a deficit of Capts to 353.

One porkchop · Veteran Member

So if eventually all precinct C.Os are Deputy Inspectors. That means that precinct captains which are X.Os now get promoted to D/I from the X.O spot??? the norm is a captain get a command to get promoted to D.I. now X.Os get promoted to D.I without ever running a command. Seems like a backwards plan to me.. Or how else does a captain get promoted if he/she never is a C.O. cause that is a D.I spot??

technocrat1 · Guru

No. Only CO's would be promoted to DI. XO's still remain Capt.

bigfoot45 · Guru

technocrat1 wrote:
No. Only CO's would be promoted to DI. XO's still remain Capt.

He's saying after this transition that any future CO would be a DI after spending no time as a CO in the Captain rank.

One porkchop · Veteran Member

what im saying is this

lets say the plan is in place right now..in all 76 precincts , each precinct commanding officer is a D.I. and each X.O is a captain....so there are 76 commanding officers that have the D.I. rank...and 76 X.O's who have to be captain rank.

Lets say 1 gets promoted to full bird. either you promote an X.O who is a captain from somewhere else to D.I to take the vacancy or take a D.I. from somewhere else to fill the vacancy..

How does a captain, who are all now X.O's of precincts , who never get their own command, cause they are run by D.I's get promoted. ??

The new spin will be do good as an X.O at your traffic stat, DV stat etc , reduce accidents and pedestrian injuries and fatalities, lower graffiti etc, and that is the X.O's incentive and path to becoming D.I.

Maybe im missing something or reading to much into it, but if what is said holds true and only the future will tell.. This seems like the only way...If im way off , someone please shed a different light on how captains get promoted when they never are a C.O. of a command because only a D.I. is a C.O of every command..

unborn · Guru

Reengineering is solving another problem that doesn't exist.

Should being assigned as CO of Central Park, 123, 78, etc., be a guarantee for promotion to DI like being the CO of the 67 or 71 would be?

wereinbacklog · Guru

unborn wrote:
Reengineering is solving another problem that doesn't exist.

Should being assigned as CO of Central Park, 123, 78, etc., be a guarantee for promotion to DI like being the CO of the 67 or 71 would be?

What I was told was that all CO's will make DI and all DI's in busy houses will make Inspector.

IShredMajors · Senior Member

wereinbacklog wrote:
unborn wrote:
Reengineering is solving another problem that doesn't exist.

Should being assigned as CO of Central Park, 123, 78, etc., be a guarantee for promotion to DI like being the CO of the 67 or 71 would be?
What I was told was that all CO's will make DI and all DI's in busy houses will make Inspector.

Yes this is what Bratton said at the all-in meeting. Not sure what all the confusion is about.

popeye · Veteran Member

unborn wrote:
Reengineering is solving another problem that doesn't exist.

Should being assigned as CO of Central Park, 123, 78, etc., be a guarantee for promotion to DI like being the CO of the 67 or 71 would be?

Being a CO of any patrol cmd in NYC is a pain, yes I think it does deserve a almost guarantee of 1 bump when you put in your year to two years, w exceptions of course.

King780 · Veteran Member

Yes this was said by PC Bratton at the All-In, in an effort to make the rank of Captain and above more desirable. Lets wait and see. It's always nice to see the list move due to promotions instead of just retirements.

LtTest2015 · Senior Member

Bratton also is not happy with SATCOM, so I don't see that expanding. As far as getting promoted now above Captain, it was said at the last ALL IN that you need to be sponsored now by a chief in order to get a promotion. It sounded odd but its basically what it came down to.

technocrat1 · Guru

As of 12/18
Vac: 11

TL: 8

-- Edited by technocrat1 on Friday 18th of December 2015 05:55:24 PM

hollar · Guru

I'm guessing with the new law passed that 15 year "Captains" will retire with DEP Chief pension we will see more retirements

technocrat1 · Guru

I thought the opposite. These guys that are just over 10 years in rank will wait it out till 15. Don't think that many guys are over 15 years in rank as a Capt.

King780 · Veteran Member

At promotions today, heard something about an executive freeze on promotions until the new procedure of being interviewed, recommended, etc, goes into effect. Not sure how that'll impact Captain promotions?

bigcitysgt · Veteran Member

They make good money and it's only getting better. If one has a good gig they come in, do 8 hours and go home. Why would they leave. Just have to be patient.

TheSonofXavier · Veteran Member

anybody heard anything? any new vacancy numbers?

technocrat1 · Guru

They have not changed.

King780 · Veteran Member

Pretty quiet :(

Dr Feet · Veteran Member

Those of us who made this list, just be patient (I know, easier said than done) and stay out of trouble. Promotion is imminent....

wereinbacklog · Guru

Hearing Captain promos this month unknown how many.

Gamblor · Senior Member

No captains planned for January. Sorry all.

technocrat1 · Guru

As I discussed on 12/10 they adjusted allocations for Capts from 393 to 320. They took that allotment and increased the number of DI spots to 204.

This creates opportunities for those who are already Capts waiting to get made DI because there are 31 vacancies.

Those waiting to get made Capt however may have to wait a bit longer. Heres why. The allotment for Capts is now 320 and there are 384 Capts in rank that translates into an overage of +63. So even is they filled the 31 vacancies theres still an overage of 32 respectfully. Take it for what its worth.

bigfoot45 · Guru

Techno,

can you update the terminal and vacancies for LT? Also, what is the allottment for Lts and Lcd?

technocrat1 · Guru

As of 1/12. Vacancies for LT.

Vac: 8

TL: 18
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The excessive promotions last month all filled there respective ranks. I'll take a look later and get the allotment.

-- Edited by technocrat1 on Tuesday 12th of January 2016 07:14:42 PM

sgt2be · Guru

techno still dont get how it went down to 8 vacancies when there was over 20 last month and no recent promotions

TiNmAn · Senior Member

I guess it has something to do with the LSA and LCD being overpromoted similar to DI's and Capt. If not I'm just as confused.

bigcitysgt · Veteran Member

An overage of 63? That reminds me of the delay to promote from the 2006 lieutenant test because they over promoted everybody from the 2003 test. An overage of 63 works out to about five classes. So, given that, why should we think there will be any captain promotions this year?

-- Edited by bigcitysgt on Tuesday 12th of January 2016 10:00:35 PM

-- Edited by bigcitysgt on Tuesday 12th of January 2016 10:01:55 PM

bigcitysgt · Veteran Member

barring mass retirements, they have their numbers.

-- Edited by bigcitysgt on Tuesday 12th of January 2016 10:17:43 PM