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ondeeair2321 · Guru

TVB--Commenced This Morning

Axel Foley08 · Member

I agree with 6-9 number of possible throw outs /doubles and the bulk coming from the inbasket. The 2011 LT inbasket had ... 1 full throw out , 4 doubles and 1 triple. I know there is no direct connection, but it's not unprecedented. Let's hope for the best, there is light at the end of the tunnel now. I need 2, so let's hope for the best.
Good luck to all who are close - Axel

Bigguy69 · Senior Member

Man I thought the 2011 had a lot more throw outs than that. A lot of doubles but not many throw outs at all.

Doggieloverwoof · Guru

It's about damn time! Now let's hope they don't take forever to let us know which are doubles or throwouts or triples lol. I just need ONE! make it happen people lol

Slate · Senior Member

Does anyone know how long it took 2011 lt board to finish up all the reading material? Was probably the same bulk as this one. Can be a good indicator of time frame

ondeeair2321 · Guru

the 2011 exam took awhile to come out cause they still were calling off an active list. came out around june time frame. this TVB has its work cut out apparently there are 4x the amount of protests--literally. but--bottom line is they need the exam by October. good luck to these Lts there is a lot of reading

Doggieloverwoof · Guru

ondeeair2321 wrote:
the 2011 exam took awhile to come out cause they still were calling off an active list. came out around june time frame. this TVB has its work cut out apparently there are 4x the amount of protests--literally. but--bottom line is they need the exam by October. good luck to these Lts there is a lot of reading

Well from what I gather, a lot of us protested the same questions. Do they have to read them all (for the same question) before they make the decision? Or can they skip all the others (from the same question) if they already believe the protestors they have already read are right? That should cut down on time.....

Lu515 · Senior Member

ondeeair2321 wrote:
It's official guys---they reported this morn. Good luck to them as they scour thru this disaster and all of you----I hope u guys pick up the points all kidding aside. I predict 6-9 doubles/triples/tosses. We ll see. Godspeed.

I don't think it's today the military guys still need to have a protest day!!!

sig226 · Senior Member

Doggieloverwoof wrote:
ondeeair2321 wrote:
the 2011 exam took awhile to come out cause they still were calling off an active list. came out around june time frame. this TVB has its work cut out apparently there are 4x the amount of protests--literally. but--bottom line is they need the exam by October. good luck to these Lts there is a lot of reading
Well from what I gather, a lot of us protested the same questions. Do they have to read them all (for the same question) before they make the decision? Or can they skip all the others (from the same question) if they already believe the protestors they have already read are right? That should cut down on time.....

With the amount of time they have, they could go thru questions of every promotional exam for the past 10 years

EDPs R Fun · Senior Member

My Lt's temp assignment is til November 28.. It can be sooner than that but that is what was in the telephone record

Team J · Senior Member

EDPs R Fun wrote:
My Lt's temp assignment is til November 28.. It can be sooner than that but that is what was in the telephone record

Have you spoken to him? What is his outlook going in?

DOA · Senior Member

I wish I knew one of these Lts. I'd love to hear unfiltered feedback about the test right after they read the questions the 1st time. If I were one of these Lts I'd probably be rolling my eyes listening to people bitch about the test. "Yeah, yeah yeah, the test was hard. They all are loser! You should've studied harder' Then I'd sit down on the 1st day of the TVB, read the questions, say 'WTF?!?!'

I hope a fresh set of eyes can blow some holes through this piece of garbage. I need two points. Time will tell.

EDPs R Fun · Senior Member

He is a reasonable guy and smart too! He is going in with a fair attitude.. He said he will let me know what's going on.. I will reach out to him by next week and see what's up

sgt2be · Guru

ok i could be wrong here....but i thought these tvbs were pretty hush hush. Id think your lt could get in some trouble spilling the details about whats going on. There is a reason why they have them go to dcas and not be done in dept facility. Could be wrong though

EDPs R Fun · Senior Member

Yeah your probably right.. It could be one thing before you go in and he can change the tune once he is in the TVB. I will let him decide as far as what he believes to be risky.

ondeeair2321 · Guru

He ll be sworn to secrecy and not say a word. I knew a guy on last one. When he is done tho he will tell some guys and it ll be plastered all over just how it goes. Lol. Nothing changes. I'm sure he ll see this exam as nothing less then a pure raping.

sgt2be · Guru

there is a different between sitting down for 6 weeks with a test infront of you and a book open in plain sight then taking a test on test day with no book and mr f'ing softie playing for 4 hours. Simple as that! Although some questions were flawed...most if not all were not. Yeah throwing 3 procedures into one question is dirty/difficult, but where does a throwout occur if the question was fundamentally written and correct? Want to make the list bigger? throw out the operations orders which werent listed...however i wouldnt hold my breath.

wisecop · Senior Member

I'm grabbing my popcorn early, ondeeair is back at it... and we all know how much sgt2be loves him...

bigfoot45 · Guru

wisecop wrote:
I'm grabbing my popcorn early, ondeeair is back at it... and we all know how much sgt2be loves him...

LMAO i thought the same thing.

HardExam · Senior Member

Sounds like Sgt2Be is another kool aid drinking *******...

-- Edited by HardExam on Tuesday 1st of September 2015 04:42:55 PM

IShredMajors · Senior Member

HardExam wrote:
Sounds like Sgt2Be is another kool aid drinking *******...

-- Edited by HardExam on Tuesday 1st of September 2015 04:42:55 PM

He simply stated his opinion. It is just that, an opinion. I love how people who don't say what everyone wants to hear are scorned on this site. Here guys, I won't be a "Kool aid drinker":

This test was unfair to every Sergeant on the job and they should just throw out every question and promote everyone based on seniority points only. My prediction is 99-100 throw outs, you heard it here first because my grandmother walks her dog past the dcas building.

Also they wronged all sergeants by not offering fried calimari during the test. How could we be expected to fill in the scantron without calimari!

Grow some balls people. Sgt2be is just being realistic. The reality is that if a question is hard but in the book, it's gonna stand. Accept it.

Also thank you to EDPS R fun, we appreciate your info, you are the only one with actual solid information in a while.

sgt2be · Guru

I am whatever you say I am. More importantly....interesting note. These guys are scheduled to Nov 28...if they get done in 4 weeks..they basically do nothing for rest of time? Can a list not be created before Nov 28??

ondeeair2321 · Guru

The TVB guys r not necessarily there till nov 28th. That's the standard time frame they give in case they need the time. I'm sure they won't need that much time. October this should be wrapped up and we ll see the outcome. Sgt2be is a s**t stirrer. Disregard anything he says.

LtTest2015 · Senior Member

What do they all go over one protest at a time together and then talk about it? How does this process work?

Team J · Senior Member

LtTest2015 wrote:
What do they all go over one protest at a time together and then talk about it? How does this process work?

From what I hear ... There's three people on the board . One from dcas one from union and one from department. Union and department are Lts. The dcas person doesn't really get involve .. It's between the two Lts .. They confer we each other and make decision wheter to throwout keep question , double triple amswers etc . This is what I have heard from someone who was on a board before.

sgt2be · Guru

Team J wrote:
LtTest2015 wrote:
What do they all go over one protest at a time together and then talk about it? How does this process work?
From what I hear ... There's three people on the board . One from dcas one from union and one from department. Union and department are Lts. The dcas person doesn't really get involve .. It's between the two Lts .. They confer we each other and make decision wheter to throwout keep question , double triple amswers etc . This is what I have heard from someone who was on a board before.

yes very true team j. One of my lts was on the tvb board. He said the same thing. Usually the dcas rep agrees EXCEPT for i believe the 2011 exam. I think there was a crazy amt of throwouts they wanted. They settled on the 19 changes, so its not a free for all.

EDPs R Fun · Senior Member

Thank you so much and I appreciate the gratitude.. I would only post what I know first hand.. I owe it to every sergeant that studied their marbles off. All I can say is that my Lt saw me studying my marbles off for this test.. He would quiz me, give me some time off and supported me the whole way through.. He is a stand up guy. I know when he is in there, he will do the right thing and give us a fair shot.. Not saying he will throw out 50 questions, but what I can share with you all is his mindset. He is a righteous man and will give us a fair shot. He isn't one of those Lt's who doesn't give a crap. He will do what's right. You all deserve that much at least. Especially most of us killed ourselves studying gaining weight, away from our families.

ondeeair2321 · Guru

you have to go on past history of these debacles. has the job ever not created a list of sizable proportions? no. and i have over 15 yrs. there has been debacles in the past---but they somehow make a sizable list. yes--some are bigger then others. but as for Lt---they need the numbers and it is just too damn expensive rite now to throw out another exam in 2017. just economics really. that coupled with the new NCO program which is all the top cares about---there will be a sizable list. yes--it costs $ to run one. they know sgts dont do anything when their studying. as for this exam being bulletproof---i have to say you didnt go to the protest. there were many holes in the exam. the in basket quite frankly had three. 1---was subjective. 6--couldnt be done. impossible as per PETS. and 7---wrong. thats 3 right there that were gar-baj. i wont even get into the others. but im firm on 6-9 minimum. and who knows---could there be 15. yes. quite frankly. 128 aint gonna cut it.

Sarge · Senior Member

I completely agree, if you think this test didn't have holes, you didn't go to the protest. There were many faults with this test, and I'm sure even more so that were thrown out as research questions. I didn't even read through the inbasket at the protest because I was so busy protesting all the other questions I found faults with (and I was there for 6 hours and 45 mins).

infinity · Senior Member

You would like to think that But that's not the way it works. The Lt isn't notified to go have a meeting with chief oneilll, commissioner Bratton, the reenginering team and dcmb to talk about how many people are on the list. He goes to dcas and that's it.

sgt2be · Guru

ondeeair2321 wrote:
you have to go on past history of these debacles. has the job ever not created a list of sizable proportions? no. and i have over 15 yrs. there has been debacles in the past---but they somehow make a sizable list. yes--some are bigger then others. but as for Lt---they need the numbers and it is just too damn expensive rite now to throw out another exam in 2017. just economics really. that coupled with the new NCO program which is all the top cares about---there will be a sizable list. yes--it costs $ to run one. they know sgts dont do anything when their studying. as for this exam being bulletproof---i have to say you didnt go to the protest. there were many holes in the exam. the in basket quite frankly had three. 1---was subjective. 6--couldnt be done. impossible as per PETS. and 7---wrong. thats 3 right there that were gar-baj. i wont even get into the others. but im firm on 6-9 minimum. and who knows---could there be 15. yes. quite frankly. 128 aint gonna cut it.

All you do is spree out non sense. There was a sgt test that produced a list of 300....it was either 07 or 08 tesr I forgot which one. Yeah 128 won't cut it....ur like a damn psychic...give the vulnerable ppl what they want to hear. If this list goes to 500 it will have NOTHING to do w what the dept wants. It's a simple as 2 lts who's opinion is the question being flawed and having a similar or better answer.

sig226 · Senior Member

2007 sgt list was 340 strong. After throw-outs

ondeeair2321 · Guru

exactly. and there was an exam rite away. not gonna happen this time. think economics. they need a list. think about it. and if u dont think there are a minimum of at least 6-9 changes u need ur head examined or u didnt go to protest

sgt2be · Guru

I did go to protest...even with a well passing score. I sat there and looked at every question. Active shooter...absolutely throw out. Certain ones like number 1 I have no idea how they derived the answer. Doesn't mean throwout doesn't mean won't be thrown out. Number 7....there is a contradiction w the pg so that may be throw out. Then u have boarder line questions. One that comes to mind is the summons or arrest question. We all know the point of the question. Yes they didn't include a key piece of info needed to make the answer they wanted correct. Also the ops orders..yes not listed! But we all know it could be asked..so yes you are correct. There could be 9 throw outs...on the same level there could be one bc the lts will feel that your points are moot. Ask anyone who's ever sat on a tvb board....brat...or gamblor...this job as ZERO control over size of list....and ZERO control over difficulty of exam. Figured you would have realized that by seeing the debacle of 2 straight lts tests

TurdBurglar · Senior Member

Just like anything else on this job... hurry up and wait

bigfoot45 · Guru

Don't forget question 45 that did not have a correct answer... only wrong ones. Whoever wrote that question is a dingbat. Riddle me this.... when these LTs write these exams they create a ton of questions and DCAS picks which questions they actually put on the exam right? But what about the in basket? Do they create 4 or 5 in baskets and then DCAS picks which one they want? Obviously, the questions have to remain in order since they may build off each other. Just curious how that exactly works.

Just Joined · Member

I still believe the CIMS question was bad. I protested it 2 different ways, both as a throw out. I agree with some of you guys that there will be more than a few changes. 7-8 in my opinion.

sgt2be · Guru

Just Joined wrote:
I still believe the CIMS question was bad. I protested it 2 different ways, both as a throw out. I agree with some of you guys that there will be more than a few changes. 7-8 in my opinion.

i got thst one wrong. But in all honesty, the way they threw the procedure in is what made me get it wrong. So for a question like that to be a double...those are ones that i describe as reaching. Where as question 107...thats a def. throwout based on wrong info due to cut off. The reaching/iffy ones are very subjective and will all depend on 2 lts opinions.

Just Joined · Member

Absolutely, many of our hopes depend on the opinions of 2 Lt's. I'm just saying in my opinion, I submitted two pretty clear protests that the question, the way it was written with the procedure referenced could not be answered. They did not give enough info. Soooo, this sergeant says it's no good. And I argued it as a throw out, not double.

Su Madre 24 · Guru

sgt2be wrote:
Just Joined wrote:
I still believe the CIMS question was bad. I protested it 2 different ways, both as a throw out. I agree with some of you guys that there will be more than a few changes. 7-8 in my opinion.
i got thst one wrong. But in all honesty, the way they threw the procedure in is what made me get it wrong. So for a question like that to be a double...those are ones that i describe as reaching. Where as question 107...thats a def. throwout based on wrong info due to cut off. The reaching/iffy ones are very subjective and will all depend on 2 lts opinions.

107? Didn't you mean to write that 106 is a throw out?

HardExam · Senior Member

He def meant 106.. I wrote a thesis for 106 but the bottom line is the cut off dat was January 18, 2015 and that amendment to the steps and words came out January 23, 2015... Definite throwout

Su Madre 24 · Guru

i DO NOT believe they will throw out the 3 Ops orders questions (I believe only 3 counted) but if they do...I bet you that adds 50-60 names off the bat

sgt2be · Guru

yes i am sorry 106. Also one other factor comes into play. The DCAS rep from what i have been told has final say. Usually they will just go along with the lts if it is reasonable. But from what i have been told by members who have served on these boards, they have presented more then fair reasons why a question should be thrown out and the question was not thrown out! the reason??? just like all reasons, DCAS does what it wants and the DEPT has ZERO control over it. Lets just sit back and see where this all heads folks, this list will obviously rise , just dont be fooled by all these ppl making claims that can not be backed by facts.

ondeeair2321 · Guru

valid point sgt2be. we will see. 6-9 is my guess. could be less, could be more

DrUnK247 · Senior Member

Can someone post the numbers they think have a chance. I think 1,45,106

IShredMajors · Senior Member

DrUnK247 wrote:
Can someone post the numbers they think have a chance. I think 1,45,106

http://risingstarpromotion.activeboard.com/t60246211/lets-stop-the-wishful-thinking-or-speculations-no-bs-throwou/

http://risingstarpromotion.activeboard.com/t60270627/after-mail-in-protests-lets-hear-the-rock-solids-we-hope-get/

sgt2be · Guru

im going to add 7 in there...that was the question regarding the post change. Its a contradiction in the pg regarding proper notification. Regards to number 1...no one knows how they got that answer. So no one can tell me why to change it or why to leave it. I bet theres something we are missing that perhaps will leave the question in tact but i hope not! what was 45 again?

-- Edited by sgt2be on Thursday 3rd of September 2015 06:09:22 PM

bigfoot45 · Guru

sgt2be wrote:
im going to add 7 in there...that was the question regarding the post change. Its a contradiction in the pg regarding proper notification. Regards to number 1...no one knows how they got that answer. So no one can tell me why to change it or why to leave it. I bet theres something we are missing that perhaps will leave the question in tact but i hope not! what was 45 again?

-- Edited by sgt2be on Thursday 3rd of September 2015 06:09:22 PM

45 was the question that wanted the correct answer regarding a court issue (trying to be vague.) They were all wrong. 100 percent.

Su Madre 24 · Guru

I sadly agree with #1 (Sgt2Be)

I think many of us missed a key detail for #1 and it will stay intact.

7, 10, 106 are my only chances to find 3.

I got 54 wrong but that ain't going anywhere.

45 I got right.

Hopefully disgraces like me can catch some luck AND find extra points via Ops Orders throwouts

sgt2be · Guru

i think you have a good chance with 7 and 106...man 10 i got wrong too. I just dont htink its enough to throw it out. I totally agree that the question didnt possess one key piece of info to have it thrown out but unless the board is looking to add some gimme points, thats going to not be a definite. But you never know, hopefully the 3 ppl are aces and youll see more throwouts. If you get a harda$$ who thinks that test was a groundball because he has the book infront of him/her then we might not see too many. So many variables so keep up the hope.