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Ineed63 · Veteran Member

How did you study to pass the LT exam

wisecop · Senior Member

i did alot of patrol guide, the packets only to review big sections.

GDASSCLUB · Senior Member

Never opened the patrol guide. Key packets and a lot of questions.

Su Madre 24 · Guru

Gdass you passed?

GDASSCLUB · Senior Member

Passed with a 73

Bklyn net · Senior Member

Doesn't matter what u studied , just matters if u guessed right ..nobody studied those OO

bigfoot45 · Guru

60 percent patrol guide. 5 percent admin. 25 percent key packets. 10 percent legal bureau bulletins

96Times6 · Senior Member

Bklyn net wrote:
Doesn't matter what u studied , just matters if u guessed right ..nobody studied those OO

Stop being a hater. Are you telling me people guessed 70 questions correctly?

Unless you studied your heart out, you had no chance of passing this exam. Those who studied the hardest did better than those who studied hard, and those who thought they were going to study to get a 70 on this test had their butts handed to them.

I am not saying this test was fair. This was a ridiculously hard exam designed to fail as many people as possible - but at the end of the day, if you did not show up intending on scoring 90 or above on a normal test, you had no chance of passing.

I know that there are a lot of people who put the time in, and did their best only to score somewhere in the high 60's. Yes it sucks, but at the end of the day, we all took the same test as the next guy. It was a hard test for everyone. It has nothing to do with luck, or guessing correctly.

I started studying as soon as the test was announced. I did not read ANY packets, I read the PG cover to cover about a dozen times, and did all of the questions I could get my hands on; Key, elite, rising star and academy questions. If I got a question wrong, I took my time and read that entire section.

96Times6 · Senior Member

....and by the way I got all 3 OO's that counted wrong.

ondeeair2321 · Guru

relax Francis

DETSGT · Guru

96times6 I agree with you.

Obviously this test was designed to have everyone fail. A few hardcore studiers barely passed. Hopefully with some throw outs all who studied will pass. But there was no luck here.

I personally read the Pg and key packets. Did all questions I could find. Reviewed recent Lbb and even some OO (not the ones tested). Was aiming for 90's and now I'm thanking God I squeezed through with a 74.

skiguy37 · Senior Member

90% key packets
10% patrol guide

All questions from key, elite and academy. I kept stats and averaged 91% on all those questions (there were more than 3000 questions combined). Any question I got wrong, I analyzed the PG procedure with a fine tooth comb.

Scored raw 81 on test.

Ineed63 · Veteran Member

skiguy37 wrote:
90% key packets
10% patrol guide

All questions from key, elite and academy. I kept stats and averaged 91% on all those questions (there were more than 3000 questions combined). Any question I got wrong, I analyzed the PG procedure with a fine tooth comb.

Scored raw 81 on test.

very impressive, good for you buddy

DETSGT · Guru

81 is the highest score I've heard

sgt2be · Guru

83 here sorry :)

Ineed63 · Veteran Member

I think anyone scores over 80 is from IAB

-- Edited by Ineed63 on Sunday 24th of May 2015 01:39:32 AM

skiguy37 · Senior Member

Ineed63 wrote:
skiguy37 wrote:
90% key packets
10% patrol guide

All questions from key, elite and academy. I kept stats and averaged 91% on all those questions (there were more than 3000 questions combined). Any question I got wrong, I analyzed the PG procedure with a fine tooth comb.

Scored raw 81 on test.
very impressive, good for you buddy

I hope that did not come across as me bragging, because that was absolutely not the intention. i think it was 2 things that got me to pass:

1) The 3000+ questions I took were all within 1 month of the exam. the trickery in some of the practice questions was used in some aspect of the test we took. I don't think I would have passed if I didn't go through all those questions.

2) I was lucky that I was the only person studying in my unit, so I was able to get 3 vacation weeks before the test off. Yes, I burned 3 vacation weeks, these were not chart days... I don't think I would have passed if I had to work the 3 weeks before the test.

skiguy37 · Senior Member

Ineed63 wrote:
I think anyone scores over 80 is from IAB

-- Edited by Ineed63 on Sunday 24th of May 2015 01:23:19 AM

LOL, I am absolutely NOT from IAB.

sixmonthwonder · Guru

It was about 80% playing World of Warcraft with the sound all the way up and then another 20% of reading the Narnia books and Alice in Wonderland backwards. That had all the info you needed to pass.

In seriousness, I would say about 40% practice exams from every school in existence, 30% flashcards I made on my own, 20% fill-ins and packets, and about 10% reading the actual Patrol Guide and other Department manuals. Also I listened to almost nothing but Yanosik reading the Patrol Guide in my car for eight months straight. I studied extremely hard, but I still got lucky.

GDASSCLUB · Senior Member

Taking time off for any promotional exam is crazy. Why would you burn time off to study when the job gives 7 months to prepare. I prefer to use my vacation days for leisure and vacation. I feel if you took time off for this exam and failed you got double f&%cked.

Member

Read the elite guide probably 4x front to back...barely looked at packets unless it was for questions...never read the admin guide at all...LBB slightly

sixmonthwonder · Guru

GDASSCLUB wrote:
Taking time off for any promotional exam is crazy. Why would you burn time off to study when the job gives 7 months to prepare. I prefer to use my vacation days for leisure and vacation. I feel if you took time off for this exam and failed you got double f&%cked.

I took about four weeks total to study when counting 2014 and 2015 (two weeks from each), plus was taking a chart day in the middle of the week for the last two months before the exam.

Yeah, taking a few weeks off to make half a million dollars in salary and pension over the course of your career sure is crazy. I like taking trips as much as the next guy and I agree I would be upset I wasted it if I failed, but I thought it was a good decision and I'm glad I did it in hindsight.

DETSGT · Guru

Definitely worth it taking time off before the test. You gotta be all in.

sixmonthwonder · Guru

Yeah man!

wisecop · Senior Member

sixmonthwonder wrote:
Yeah man!

I burned 22 days and I'm chronic A I think. Lol

Ineed63 · Veteran Member

I also burned my vacation, 27 days, no regreting about it. Glad I don't need to go through this again

Su Madre 24 · Guru

I burned all my vacation and I'm at a 67. Disgrace

#failure

sixmonthwonder · Guru

Su Madre 24 wrote:
I burned all my vacation and I'm at a 67. Disgrace

#failure

Hope you make it through man.

Bklyn net · Senior Member

U should make it 106 (throw out ) 10 double ..I'm sure one or two else where

Su Madre 24 · Guru

That and 7 throwout, 1 double, 54 throwout any 3 of em and I win

New2this · Senior Member

96Times6 wrote:
Bklyn net wrote:
Doesn't matter what u studied , just matters if u guessed right ..nobody studied those OO
Stop being a hater. Are you telling me people guessed 70 questions correctly?
Unless you studied your heart out, you had no chance of passing this exam. Those who studied the hardest did better than those who studied hard, and those who thought they were going to study to get a 70 on this test had their butts handed to them.
I am not saying this test was fair. This was a ridiculously hard exam designed to fail as many people as possible - but at the end of the day, if you did not show up intending on scoring 90 or above on a normal test, you had no chance of passing.
I know that there are a lot of people who put the time in, and did their best only to score somewhere in the high 60's. Yes it sucks, but at the end of the day, we all took the same test as the next guy. It was a hard test for everyone. It has nothing to do with luck, or guessing correctly.
I started studying as soon as the test was announced. I did not read ANY packets, I read the PG cover to cover about a dozen times, and did all of the questions I could get my hands on; Key, elite, rising star and academy questions. If I got a question wrong, I took my time and read that entire section.

I studied my heart out and ended with a 66. I did all of yanos coursework even read the legal bulletins. The ops orders killed me. No ops orders =70 for me

No fked up inbasket= mid 80s for me so I truly believe it was a guessing game.

Not trying to disrespect anyone who passed. You passed then good for you but this exam was designed in my opinion to make you burn a lot of time on the inbasket thus leaving you to run out of time.

sgt2be · Guru

sorry man...iif you did all those things...that should equal a passing grade. Sounds like youre not a good nypd test taker. I dont mean it as a dig in anyway. But there are ways to study and take nypd tests. I have talked in depth with captains and lts who studied for only 2-3 months for these tests who just happen to be great test takers and realize what to study or what not. I got 9 wrong in in basket...i got every op order wrong..and i got an 83. Your making excuses for something you dropped the ball on. With all those questions wrong, i was able to get 4-5 patrol guide questions wrong. So according to your analysis....i guess if it wasnt a messed up test i should have gotten a 100. I got 40 percent wrong on in basket and 100 percent ops orders...I passed bc I exceed in pg questions.

-- Edited by sgt2be on Monday 25th of May 2015 12:53:46 PM

DETSGT · Guru

I smell bull$hit

IShredMajors · Senior Member

Test taking skills and time management were tested as much as patrol guide on this test. I know of several hardcore studiers that did not finish this exam. Simply memorizing the patrol guide was not enough if you were not able to move through the test quickly. As I said earlier, I did the same as everyone else on the technical knowledge portion of the exam, but I squeaked by with a 72 because I did the inbasket in under 2 hours and got "only" 8 wrong on it. This left me with 4:45 to do the rest of the test. Not saying the inbasket was reasonable, but it wasn't impossible if you are an efficient reader and time manager. I also got all the Ops Order questions wrong.

sgt2be · Guru

This test you had to know what to give up on ....I gave up on ops orders...the math question I gave up on until very end. These are vital to to reckonize on a test like this.

sharpie973 · Veteran Member

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-- Edited by sharpie973 on Thursday 28th of May 2015 02:20:42 PM

Su Madre 24 · Guru

Sharpie lives in a van down by the river

scheduleB_magnet · Guru

sgt2be wrote:
sorry man...iif you did all those things...that should equal a passing grade. Sounds like youre not a good nypd test taker. I dont mean it as a dig in anyway. But there are ways to study and take nypd tests. I have talked in depth with captains and lts who studied for only 2-3 months for these tests who just happen to be great test takers and realize what to study or what not. I got 9 wrong in in basket...i got every op order wrong..and i got an 83. Your making excuses for something you dropped the ball on. With all those questions wrong, i was able to get 4-5 patrol guide questions wrong. So according to your analysis....i guess if it wasnt a messed up test i should have gotten a 100. I got 40 percent wrong on in basket and 100 percent ops orders...I passed bc I exceed in pg questions.

-- Edited by sgt2be on Monday 25th of May 2015 12:53:46 PM

SGT2BE BE LIKE...

scheduleB_magnet · Guru

SHARPIE973 BE LIKE...

sharpie973 · Veteran Member

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-- Edited by sharpie973 on Thursday 28th of May 2015 02:21:12 PM

New2this · Senior Member

Well, I guess I am not a good test taker according to you. I exceed in a traditional in basket. 1 wrong on my sgts exam. 0 wrong on all yanos in baskets and rising star.
The same people on here who before the protest session were saying the exam was not fair are now the same ones saying it was fair because they passed. Did fairly well on my sgts exam passed it the 1st go around.
Hopefully a few questions get tossed. At this point it is what it is

We are our own worst enemy on this job. Apparently only 128 people who took this exam are qualified to be LT. And according to this board you guys concur with capt insano, the job, and DCAS. Good luck everyone who passed. I know not 1 person who passed.

-- Edited by New2this on Monday 25th of May 2015 03:29:26 PM

wisecop · Senior Member

New2this wrote:
Well, I guess I am not a good test taker according to you. I exceed in a traditional in basket. 1 wrong on my sgts exam. 0 wrong on all yanos in baskets and rising star.
The same people on here who before the protest session were saying the exam was not fair are now the same ones saying it was fair because they passed. Did fairly well on my sgts exam passed it the 1st go around.
Hopefully a few questions get tossed. At this point it is what it is
We are our own worst enemy on this job. Apparently only 128 people who took this exam are qualified to be LT. And according to this board you guys concur with capt insano, the job, and DCAS. Good luck everyone who passed. I know not 1 person who passed.

-- Edited by New2this on Monday 25th of May 2015 03:29:26 PM

I don't think it was fair even though I passed. You have to understand many guys that passed this test were on top of the 2011 list. Some people take offense to the notion that this was a "guessing game" because we put our lives on hold for 8 months for this. A lot of people did the same and failed so it's a great accomplishment. I don't agree with SgT2be because he's coming off as a dick, but he's right in someways. This test was all about time management. You had to pick your battles, for example the math question was an automatic guess for me. I know that one question was not worth the 20 minutes, leaving the operations orders for last was a no brainer. Good test takers get the questions right some way some how.

-- Edited by wisecop on Monday 25th of May 2015 04:29:09 PM

sgt2be · Guru

you guys are mistaken how I'm trying to come off. I don't mean to come off in any way as a prick. My point is we all bombed the in basket including myself. It was the pg questions that seperated the fields..I got 4 wrong on whole test. You didn't fail bc of in basket...u failed w pg. what's a fair test? Test was difficult no doubt. Fair or unfair is a personal decision I guess

sharpie973 · Veteran Member

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-- Edited by sharpie973 on Monday 23rd of November 2015 12:59:23 PM

wisecop · Senior Member

Sgt2be is not a prick, I was in BMOC with him. I know what he was trying to say

IShredMajors · Senior Member

People don't wanna hear that the test was difficult but passable. People just wanna hear that it was an impossible test, designed to make everyone fail, and anyone who passed guessed correctly on 50+ questions in a row. The inbasket required a Rosetta Stone and deep intricate knowledge of thermo-nuclear physics, and people who passed memorized Ops Orders instead of studying patol guide. Everyone who passed works in 1PP and IAB; they surveyed everyone at the door and patrol people were flagged for -10 points before the test started. People who failed are victims of Captain Insano's sorcery and there was nothing they could have done to improve their chances. It is not their fault, everyone is against them.

Follow this rhetoric and tell people what they wanna hear!!!

skiguy37 · Senior Member

I agree with wisecop. I passed, I did fairly well on the test. I still will not say it was a fair test. I stand by all the horrible things I said about the test writers. But I did not pass by luck. It is statistically impossible. I put my friends, family and my son on hold for 7 months and I earned my passing grade. I repeat that I do not think it was a fair test because every question had layers of trickery in it and some obscure stuff was tested. I have several friends sitting in the 60's and I want nothing more than for them to pick up the points and be on this list.
Time management and mental stamina were 2 major factors in taking the test. I studied for 10+ hours per day in the final 4 weeks before the test (3 weeks vacation). If it wasn't for that, my brain would have been toast after the in basket.

IShredMajors · Senior Member

Heres the thing about guessing. If you guess on 1 question thats 1 out of 4 chance of getting it right, those odds aren't that bad. There are people on here who scored in the mid 80's though. The odds of guessing your way into the 80's are virtually impossible. Sgt2be, for example, got an 83 on the test. Lets say he had a 68 and guessed correctly on 15, since peoples' argument is that people who passed simply "guessed correctly". The binomial probability of guessing correctly on 15 out of 32 questions is .004, or 1 in 250. What seems more likely, that he guessed on all of those or that he knew the answer?

The problem here is that when people study that hard and score that well, it's a little insulting to imply that they passed based on blind luck. I admitted in other threads that there was some luck involved in this test, but luck can only get you a couple points at the most. Everyone who passed was a hardcore studier, and some of those people had a little luck on their side as well. People passed a super difficult exam, don't diminish their accomplishment.

Su Madre 24 · Guru

I agree with the guys who passed. Lot of the failures have been crybaby losers about the exam. Face the truth like I did: we didn't get it done.

sig226 · Senior Member

sgt2be wrote:
you guys are mistaken how I'm trying to come off. I don't mean to come off in any way as a prick. My point is we all bombed the in basket including myself. It was the pg questions that seperated the fields..I got 4 wrong on whole test. You didn't fail bc of in basket...u failed w pg. what's a fair test? Test was difficult no doubt. Fair or unfair is a personal decision I guess

You passed because 20 throwouts worked in your favor.

And if you failed because those 20 throwouts didnt work in your favor.

In other words out of those 20 throwouts its quite possible you got many of them wrong. They were eliminated and your score increased. On the other hand i could have got most of them right but they got thrownout and i lost points.

In basket fvcked everyone