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ondeeair2321 wrote:

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u heard it here first. i too was wondering what the list would be--the chatter i was told about exam next year. my buddy today says at least 400+ and another exam in 4. said it doesnt matter what happens it wont be under that----period. so whatever hocus pocus or legit throwout/doubles they have to do to achieve that---they will do. and the job is FULLY aware of the exam. to the PC and brass on down. fully aware. they will make their list of 400 and change and thats that. they are fighting for pennies for this dept---they are not alloting money from the budget for another exam before then. and---by the looks of it--im saying 5,6, to 9 throwouts. i just hope the guy with the 70 at protest in brooklyn develops a case of ass cancer with what he said to me other day. he came to protest why the question was RIGHT. yes---RIGHT. he wants no protests to go through because he doesnt wanna be skipped. i give him credit for having the balls to admit that. but there will be throwouts for u haters out there. i shoulda snapped a pic of this a-hole but with the cameras positioned on me the homeboy crew from dcas woulda came in and possibly beat the s**t outta me.

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 well im out---dead in the water just missing it. so close--but didnt make it. i asked my buddy and he is sticking to what their saying--they want an exam NEXT YEAR. there will NOT be many throwouts and double answers. they purposely made it a point to tell these c**k bags (INsano,Ernie,etc) to make these protest proof when they were writing it. yes--we should all go. fight what we can. maybe some will get lucky---but they stacked this exam unlike the 2011 exam. and yes--128 passed for the 100th time. that is not a rumor--my buddy and half of OMAP has that information straight from DCAS. the uppers wanna go with the top who passes the exam---(doesnt mean I think they re the top this is what they say)---and give exams more frequently. this is what their telling OMAP. no i dont agree with it--this is what they think. and yes---they f'd you out of money and time away from your family. they f'd your career progression and drive--and you know what---they DONT care. 20 and go. trust me im not staying a day later(this was case way before this exam), but this should be the case for many here now. congrats to all that passed!!!

Ondeeair always has some crazy breaking news.

Bklyn net wrote:

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Lol I guess u guys have diff sources

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 Lol I posted his  breaking news from last week... Lol

Just to clarify, the job does not spend any of its budget on promotional exams. DCAS funds them, and makes most of that back on the money that we shell out to take the exam. Also, the job has ZERO say on what questions are on the test, what questions are research, and what questions get thrown out. We don't even get to schedule the exams. DCAS does all of this. The NYPD's only involvement is we provide 5 people to write the questions for the exam (4 in the rank being tested for, and 1 in the next rank above). Those questions are provided to DCAS, who pick and choose which they want on the test, edit them as they feel necessary, and...maybe...let the people the wrote the questions review them.

The exam is made or broken by the people we send to write the questions. When you get a decent group of guys, you get a good, fair test (e.g., the 2006 Sergeants exam, 2014 Captains exam). When you get lunatics...well, you all know very well how that ends. It all boils down to the same reason a perp's name is spelled 15 different ways across each of his arrests: garbage in, garbage out.

Lu515 wrote:

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ondeeair2321 wrote:

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u heard it here first. i too was wondering what the list would be--the chatter i was told about exam next year. my buddy today says at least 400+ and another exam in 4. said it doesnt matter what happens it wont be under that----period. so whatever hocus pocus or legit throwout/doubles they have to do to achieve that---they will do. and the job is FULLY aware of the exam. to the PC and brass on down. fully aware. they will make their list of 400 and change and thats that. they are fighting for pennies for this dept---they are not alloting money from the budget for another exam before then. and---by the looks of it--im saying 5,6, to 9 throwouts. i just hope the guy with the 70 at protest in brooklyn develops a case of ass cancer with what he said to me other day. he came to protest why the question was RIGHT. yes---RIGHT. he wants no protests to go through because he doesnt wanna be skipped. i give him credit for having the balls to admit that. but there will be throwouts for u haters out there. i shoulda snapped a pic of this a-hole but with the cameras positioned on me the homeboy crew from dcas woulda came in and possibly beat the s**t outta me.

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 well im out---dead in the water just missing it. so close--but didnt make it. i asked my buddy and he is sticking to what their saying--they want an exam NEXT YEAR. there will NOT be many throwouts and double answers. they purposely made it a point to tell these c**k bags (INsano,Ernie,etc) to make these protest proof when they were writing it. yes--we should all go. fight what we can. maybe some will get lucky---but they stacked this exam unlike the 2011 exam. and yes--128 passed for the 100th time. that is not a rumor--my buddy and half of OMAP has that information straight from DCAS. the uppers wanna go with the top who passes the exam---(doesnt mean I think they re the top this is what they say)---and give exams more frequently. this is what their telling OMAP. no i dont agree with it--this is what they think. and yes---they f'd you out of money and time away from your family. they f'd your career progression and drive--and you know what---they DONT care. 20 and go. trust me im not staying a day later(this was case way before this exam), but this should be the case for many here now. congrats to all that passed!!!

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IShredMajors wrote:

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Someone will come into this thread and vouch for the "validity" of ondeeair's information.  What people don't realize is that he just throws out a new theory every week, one is bound to be right eventually.  I don't think his "sources" know anything at all.

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 Ondeeair's friend "in the know" be like...

Guys 128 passed, test next year. 400 person list, test in 4 years. All in the same breath.

I can confirm that OMAP knows nothing more than the rest of us! From what I heard, they only had 1 guy pass this test!

It's only a matter of time before he throws his temper tantrum, says he's leaving the forum never posting again. Then wishes us luck and says he will keep his inside info to himself.


Makes post 26 minutes later.

scheduleB_magnet wrote:

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It's only a matter of time before he throws his temper tantrum, says he's leaving the forum never posting again. Then wishes us luck and says he will keep his inside info to himself.


Makes post 26 minutes later.

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Dude I can't wait...I'm sitting in my house just cracking up.

sgt2be wrote:

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Alot of ppl say 128 seems like impossible for a passing rate, but looking at these numbers from the command. This might just be legit information. I dont know any command with more than 3 passing. Some with 0, most 1 or 2. OMAP I heard 1 passed. But OMAP has different units and i find it hard to believe only one would have passed. Even IAB, ive heard low numbers. I heard police academy maybe 3 or 4.

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 I also heard the test would be straight forward. Then it would be difficult. Then cross this off they'll never ask this. Then I'll bet you $1000 that you will get a dept veh collision question. We wont know the truth until the list comes out in, I'm guessing late October/early November. Just in time for the holidays.

IShredMajors wrote:

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Someone will come into this thread and vouch for the "validity" of ondeeair's information.  What people don't realize is that he just throws out a new theory every week, one is bound to be right eventually.  I don't think his "sources" know anything at all.

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 Lol. Agreed

scheduleB_magnet wrote:

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It's only a matter of time before he throws his temper tantrum, says he's leaving the forum never posting again. Then wishes us luck and says he will keep his inside info to himself.


Makes post 26 minutes later.

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 Haha. I've seen that 5-6 times already 

scheduleB_magnet wrote:

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It's only a matter of time before he throws his temper tantrum, says he's leaving the forum never posting again. Then wishes us luck and says he will keep his inside info to himself.


Makes post 26 minutes later.

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 b I'm dying bro!! Laughing so hard 

wereinbacklog wrote:

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I'm not a **** stirrer and from the amount of posts under my username most can tell I've been on these forums for a while. I was told the PC is looking to make 11 changes to this debacle of on exam. Now before someone attempts to school me on how the TVB works I already know. But is not too farfetched to believe that the PC can directly contact a DCAS honcho to make the board lean our way regarding the protest. I'm currently on the Captains list so this doesn't affect me at all just relaying what I was told.

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This makes sense to me.  I passed already so I'm not affected either but it makes sense that if someone like Bratton flexes their muscle, things will absolutely happen.  The question is whether or not Bratton cares.  Nobody cared for the 07 Sgt Exam or the 13 Captain Exam, but those tests didn't generate the uproar that this test created.  It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Maybe that's his favorite number

sgt2be wrote:

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 i can back this....I WILL NOT get into how i know this, but ive heard this first hand. Not a friend of a friend! The PC was not happy about this test and certain ppl did sit down with his team to discuss it. I wasnt promised of anything coming about it but this does tend to support what wereinbacklog states.

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This is great! Hopefully Bratton transfers captain penis face to the 123 precinct!

I want Francis Reagan to be the PC lmfao He would totally personally review it and order fair changes.

scheduleB_magnet wrote:

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sgt2be wrote:

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i asked for my $1000 from mike....i got crickets.....

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 Don't know why. Can't see how he cant spare $1000 out of the $1.6 million he made off this course.

YANO BE LIKE...

-- Edited by scheduleB_magnet on Friday 15th of May 2015 09:31:16 PM

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 this has me dying laughing omggg

sgt2be wrote:

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bronx....who works for these classes??? yeah guys that were high ranking/ still have connections. Yano was a DI And so is pichardo....misfud captain and shea chiefs. You do the math

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Also Chief Ward is the owner of The Key.  He is a 3 star and one of Bratton's right hand guys.  This test made his company look stupid, I'm sure it was brought to the big man's attention.

Like I said earlier, everything is on the level.  One hand washes the other and these promotional classes are very much integrated into the job.  If you think about it, the promotional classes are teaching the next wave of supervisors about the patrol guide instead of the job having to do it.  This saves the city money and resources because we are paying for it instead.

It would be bad for the job for them to be embarrassed and undermined by 1 douchey captain.  I think "Captain Insano" pissed off some people above him, and we all know **** rolls downhill.

-- Edited by IShredMajors on Friday 15th of May 2015 10:43:04 PM

IShredMajors wrote:

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Also Chief Ward is the owner of The Key.  He is a 3 star and one of Bratton's right hand guys.  This test made his company look stupid, I'm sure it was brought to the big man's attention.

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 great point. who better than bratton to get the job done!! 

You don't have to rely on rumors, just ask your peers. Most precincts don't even have anyone that passed. In the Bronx precincts you can't find anyone who knows many people that passed. You don't have commit to a number. What ever the number is, it has to be low. Maybe lower than the rumors.

-- Edited by wisecop on Friday 15th of May 2015 11:36:16 PM

Yo, 19 questions were thrown out in 2011 to add 500 names. We need more than 8-10 throwouts

I didn't know Chief Ward owns The Key. I hope this true. Given his standing with the PC, maybe the Department will finally take a long look at how it chooses the test-writers. I still say the writers should be "professional" outside writers with guidance from skilled, motivated, and properly experienced Department execs who pick the important subject areas for police supervisors. As far as what the PC could do now to help with this test, any guess is as good as another. His hands may be tied by the same liability issues that forced the job to make a 70 score the "passing" grade. If questions are just thrown out without valid reasons it could spell trouble for the Department. I favor the Department just promoting the guys who "passed" this exam and then giving a new "re-engineered" test ASAP (free of charge?). This would give morale a bit of a boost making this debacle simply a career hiccup and not a 4-5 year set back. It may cost the City money but what cost can the City attach to proper supervision and properly motivated police professionals in this political climate? Everyone knows that sergeants run all facets of the Police Department. What will the job do with all the 20-year sergeants running out the door? Who will lead? The new sergeants straight from Impact? The older and tired Lt's (demoralized and derailed from their career paths by ridiculous captain's tests) hiding in their details or locker rooms? The ten-year late 20-something Lt's that studied in their parents' basements who see the Lt. rank as their ticket to hiding in the locker room? Are the older remaining beaten sergeants really going to be taking direction from these guys/gals and giving it their all? More likely we will hear more grumpy sergeants just asking their much younger lieutenants and captains, "Hey what do I do now? You guys memorized the Patrol Guide, right?" The job is being turned on its head. Age and experience are being pushed out, where, in the past, it was revered. I have high hopes this PC and his team (who I will continue to work hard for until I retire no matter who the supervisor is) will lead us to a better place.