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This job man... Theses guys can choke on a dick. How does this show who's the creme of the crop?

These the people that will praise you in death yet try to **** you every chance they get when you're alive. **** them!

With a 71 on the gambler key I am trying to be optimistic but I find it difficult to think positive.

I have a 72 on numbers app and 71 in excel. There are many around that same score. Itll come down to research question luck

I know ppl on the re engineering team. I've talked to them extensively about what they pushed for. The number one thing...which they all agreed on..was eliminate the sabat exam. No joke...we see how that went. I don't know if I buy this creme of the crop. If I pass this test..doesn't make me creme of crop. Makes me a loser for knowing those dumb ass procedures that were tested. Barely had anything to do w being a supervisor. These tests should focus on edps...active shooter etc etc. NOT the bs we all saw. These guys aren't smart. I'll personally call all them out and I'll quote the pg wo looking at it. So funny these guys pat themselves on the back creating a test that has nothing to do w the rank. The thing that I learned..cuter you try to get w pg....more chance you'll conflict w it. Just have to dig for it. As for 128...it'll hold true based on scores you see from key. If you see most guys w high 60s and low 70s yeah that means we're in trouble

and trust me---the re engineering team has A LOT to do with what becomes of this list. actually---pretty much everything. check your facts. the job tells dcas how many slots they need for the rank and whether or not a new exam should be given---which used to be all OMAP. the re engineering nerds and do nothings with det shields most with fancy dancy degrees from ivy league schools who suck a** now have a ton of power. a TON.

Yes you are right..I studied 1 and 2 star procedures like they were 4 and 5 stars....that's being prepared. Alot of ppl knocked me studying....over 8 hours some days. why I wake up so early and go to bed late..why memorize nonsense procedures....the answer is this test. I did it bc I knew that there are ppl out there that will make tests like this.

Theres only one i personally know of with a 73-74 potential. Everyone else i know of is from the forum.

No first ones tomorrow

I can confirm Ondeair info from 1 pp guys...BUT I also heard they may be looking to throw some questions out to increase the list which goes against wat is being posted....we just don't have enough info yet for anyone to give up

Honestly I believe even after the protest we will not really know where we stand. In the 21st century you would think that the scantron would be obsolete and we would find out same day if we passed the exam.

R u fvking kidding me? What is this a bar exam?!

2600 signed up 128 passed. That's less than 8%

The military and sabbath guys will pass at a rate of over 90% though.  Be ready to salute them.

I personally know a handful of people in the mid 70's range, but they were all hardcore studiers from the gate. I don't know anyone personally with over an 80 on the Gamblor Key.

This test was probably way worse than a bar exam. We wouldn't have any lawyers if bar exams were like this test.

the job wont have any Lt s if the exams are like this. i know a lot of intelligent guys right now who are tip toeing on that pass/fail line and that is ridiculous. these guys are legit studiers who put in the time and know their stuff. you got some loser Lt who talks smack to everyone in the 13th about how knowledgeable he is of the PG and he barely passed on the 2011 exam. And then Capt Insano---well he is obviously the smartest man on the job. these two evidently were the only ones who saw eye to eye in this group and agreed on everything. its sick. the stuff i heard today was insane---from insano and castro literally writing in trick questions, to insano yelling at guys at the top of his lungs at 105 guys after funeral, to castro being a field associate in the 33. it is insane.

my good friend is on the re-engineering team and he has no idea what you guys are talking about with this creme of the crop bs, they have nothing to do with this exam or any promotional exam...

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I thought exams cost the city money? Why would they wanna frequent exams? I'll be honest if they give this same type of exam next year I probably still won't be able to pass it. 

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The city probably turns a profit, $100 times 2800 guys, do the math. Those proctors are probably making $12 an hour and the schools are government buildings. Even after factoring in paying the salaries of the useless test taking team of losers that wrote this exam (which would be getting paid anyway) the city probably still at least breaks even from our filing fees.

I spoke with over 35 people who took the exam. I know two 81's and a 72. That's it for passing grades. And many of the people I know in the 60's were top 50 names on their respective Sgt exams and hit the books hard for this one. The biggest kick in the d*ck is one of the 81's I know openly told me he just went to crams and happened to read an Operations Order packet a week prior. Literally stated he studied the basics for 4-5 weeks and some Ops Orders, IO, and Legal Packets. I'm at the point if my 68 doesn't hold up and I actually take the next one, just doing the same. There is no reason to go hard for 6-7 months at all. These exams don't actually test the practical portions of the PG anyways.

I hope someone attending the protest tomorrow has a really good memory to list at least the 20 "research" (aka manipulated) questions for us. That will create a lot clearer picture. Hey maybe someone will be smart enough to remember the entire answer key by sheer luck and post for us. You never know.

and i find it hard to believe no one can get out of there with this key. i know i am. thats right, insano, ernie, dcas nazis---noone is stopping me from blasting that key.

You want to find out what the reaearch questions are?

 

Go to the protest!   Im going tomorrow... Im going to fight for those points.

 

I'm not going to make things easier for anybody, im also in the 60s, we need all hands on deck.

The job beat me. I have a 67 with little hope. I will never study for another promotional exam the way I studied for this one. I have no problem making it harder to become an lt but no in this manner. Maybe give a fair test and 75 or higher get made. Something like that. the way these tests are it makes u feel like u wasted urs and ur family's time. 

I'm calling shenanigans on this. First, I highly doubt that anyone in 1PP has knowledge of the numbers that passed yet (at least not anyone that is going to share that information). Second, 128 passers would put the passing rate at the lowest of any promotional exam ever in the NYPD. Based on the scores discussed here, I doubt that is accurate.

Finally, everyone keeps talking about the "re-engineering team". There are no more teams outside of the small group of people organizing the recommendations and the implementing bureau personnel that are responsible for each piece. Also, I was a member of the re-engineering team on promotional exams, as was the brat, and both of us can tell you that pretty much everything discussed in this thread is inaccurate. With the Sabbath exam that everyone hates, it was not one of our recommendations to remove it as it isn't possible to do so. You will always need an alternate test date for legal and EEO reasons. However, the impact is not immense. Yes, higher percentage of people that take the exam on the alternate date do pass. However, the number of people that take that exam is not very large. For example, in another thread, someone stated that 53 people took the makeup exam for the 2011 Lieutenants exam, and 44 passed. The actual number was 32 and only 17 passed (passing rate of 53%). That is higher than the 29% of people that passed the exam on the initial date, but not as astronomical as initially insinuated. At the end of the day, 17 people, out of a total 2295 who sat for the 2011 Lieutenants exam, may have benefited in some way due to the alternate test date. That isn't something to cry over.

Holy **** gamblor our prophet of guidance and hope has showered wisdom down upon this forum one last time before the day of judgement

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I'm calling shenanigans on this. First, I highly doubt that anyone in 1PP has knowledge of the numbers that passed yet (at least not anyone that is going to share that information). Second, 128 passers would put the passing rate at the lowest of any promotional exam ever in the NYPD. Based on the scores discussed here, I doubt that is accurate.

Finally, everyone keeps talking about the "re-engineering team". There are no more teams outside of the small group of people organizing the recommendations and the implementing bureau personnel that are responsible for each piece. Also, I was a member of the re-engineering team on promotional exams, as was the brat, and both of us can tell you that pretty much everything discussed in this thread is inaccurate. With the Sabbath exam that everyone hates, it was not one of our recommendations to remove it as it isn't possible to do so. You will always need an alternate test date for legal and EEO reasons. However, the impact is not immense. Yes, higher percentage of people that take the exam on the alternate date do pass. However, the number of people that take that exam is not very large. For example, in another thread, someone stated that 53 people took the makeup exam for the 2011 Lieutenants exam, and 44 passed. The actual number was 32 and only 17 passed (passing rate of 53%). That is higher than the 29% of people that passed the exam on the initial date, but not as astronomical as initially insinuated. At the end of the day, 17 people, out of a total 2295 who sat for the 2011 Lieutenants exam, may have benefited in some way due to the alternate test date. That isn't something to cry over.

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 thank you gamblor for the clarification. I could have sworn this guy discussed removing the sabat exam....was your head boss the co of the 109 at the time?