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burgsgt · Member

The key class

PaTROLLinRMPnoAC · Veteran Member

burgsgt wrote:
the key
anyone know the point behind why the "key" wants feedback? About highlighters ..is it going to help us?

Do you mean the feedback they've already deleted off of FB? Yes I think it will help hmm

TurdBurglar · Senior Member

Smoke and mirrors to show the outrage. While they laugh all the way to the bank

DETSGT · Guru

I hope they are not trying to get the test thrown out and re-administered. That would only benefit the $chools not us.

Junius78 · Veteran Member

That cant happen. They have no power in that. The only help would be if we had an instructor sitting in the protest with us. I never went to one before, but im sure Misfud made a difference with the '11 exam

ondeeair2321 · Guru

my only question is this. shea--like dep comm of ops is one of the main players in the key. how in gods green earth does he allow capt insano to pull this??? guy is like # 3 or 4 on job and capt insano just crim sex act d his whole class. this will effect the whole irish mafia at the key and yanosik---cause their material is not what is bring tested. your fineology book(which misfud acted like was the ten commandments given to moses when he sold it to us) wasnt even crapper reading material for this test---i chucked that thing in the gar-bage yest. this will effect them all and the money making golden calf they have----and capt insano has a huge mushroom stamp on it all.

Wingnut · Senior Member

Junius78 wrote:
That cant happen. They have no power in that. The only help would be if we had an instructor sitting in the protest with us. I never went to one before, but im sure Misfud made a difference with the '11 exam

DCAS and the job were thoroughly embarrassed by the number of throwouts/ double answers/ etc. on the 2011 LT test. They realized that the guys running these prep classes were the ones making the successful protests. So instead of fixing the tests, they tossed the instructors from sitting for the exam and therefore the protest session. It worked. Only one question thrown out of the 2013 Sgt exam.

spb1447 · Member

They probably took it down because it became a sob-fest of people who couldn't manage time. There was no clock, DCAS wouldn't tell me how much time was left, the clock in my room was off by an hour. You would have thought it was a bunch of rookies taking a test for the first time! The question had to do with highlighters and pens and the responses didn't have much to do with that.

-- Edited by spb1447 on Friday 24th of April 2015 06:11:59 PM

GDASSCLUB · Senior Member

Everybody on this site is complaining that the prep classes did not prepare us for the exam. I was a key student and the packets covered %95 of what was on the test. They only thing they dropped the ball on was the ops orders but they still covered some of them.. What made this exam so challenging was the style of questioning and the time constraint. This exam was simply too hard. Most of us didntt have the intelligence to excell on this exam including myself. Let's face it we all got beat. Its not fair but this job doesn't know what fair is. I am just north of passing on the gambler key but if I don't make it it will be stripes for life..

Devil Dog · Senior Member

GDASSCLUB wrote:
Everybody on this site is complaining that the prep classes did not prepare us for the exam. I was a key student and the packets covered %95 of what was on the test. They only thing they dropped the ball on was the ops orders but they still covered some of them.. What made this exam so challenging was the style of questioning and the time constraint. This exam was simply too hard. Most of us didntt have the intelligence to excell on this exam including myself. Let's face it we all got beat. Its not fair but this job doesn't know what fair is. I am just north of passing on the gambler key but if I don't make it it will be stripes for life..

Dropping the ball on the ops orders is inexcusable. They covered a cpl, but why only a cpl if they thought ops orders may show up? The courses had about 4 or 5 down weeks. They could have easily made a packet for OOs. If those count, they will be the difference between passing and failing for many people.

-- Edited by Devil Dog on Sunday 26th of April 2015 04:25:18 AM

GDASSCLUB · Senior Member

Once again the prep courses are not designed to give 100% of the material . they give you far less but 95% of what they give you is on the test. Its up to the student to decide if they will cover the rest they don't provide you.. We all know that being students. I rolled the dice on my exams to just study hard the info they provide me. It worked for sgt exam and hopefully this onn.. I think its crazy to blame somebody else knowing full on anything is testable.. I never opened the patrol guide for any of my exams.. If I fail I can't blame the classes that they didn't give me the pg only packets..

Devil Dog · Senior Member

GDASSCLUB wrote:
Once again the prep courses are not designed to give 100% of the material . they give you far less but 95% of what they give you is on the test. Its up to the student to decide if they will cover the rest they don't provide you.. We all know that being students. I rolled the dice on my exams to just study hard the info they provide me. It worked for sgt exam and hopefully this onn.. I think its crazy to blame somebody else knowing full on anything is testable.. I never opened the patrol guide for any of my exams.. If I fail I can't blame the classes that they didn't give me the pg only packets..

No one is blaming anyone. I am simply stating that the courses are no longer worth the $1000. The job has made an effort to make the courses less effective, and its worked. The one thing i do blame the key for is making baseless statements about the test being straight forward and claiming to have inside knowledge of the exam. If that was the case they would have made an ops packet.

-- Edited by Devil Dog on Sunday 26th of April 2015 04:50:09 AM

MUD DUCK · Member

GDASS if you really believe you were not intelligent enough then that's just awful. Intelligence has NOTHING to do with having the time (or discipline and dedication if you prefer) to memorize obscure passages of voluminous outdated and oftentimes contradicting and inconsistent material. Memorization, although somewhat important, is only one facet of intelligence. When I went to the doctor to see about a tumor I had, I hoped the doctor didn't diagnose me based only on what he remembered from medical school. I would have hoped he would have taken the time to research my issue and proceed with extreme caution after consultation and second opinions from colleagues. I believe the testers and powers-that-be collectively showed a lack of intelligence in creating an exam that has probably killed the morale of it's front-line supervisors for focusing on the petty and insignifcant.

If it's stripes for the rest of my time in the Dept then so be it. But I will not allow the NYPD to define my level of intelligence, nor should anyone.

Btw----If the NOE didn't state that certain orders would be tested, then, in my opinion, those questions should be thrown out. And--how can an exam prep school be responsibile for not prepping on what wasn't supposed to be tested? Also, if it can be proven that test writers actually attended prep school courses just to outfox the students then I cry foul on that too.

notonlevel · Veteran Member

I second that!

youre ok in my book mud duck!

Dr Feet · Veteran Member

GDASSCLUB wrote:
Everybody on this site is complaining that the prep classes did not prepare us for the exam. I was a key student and the packets covered %95 of what was on the test. They only thing they dropped the ball on was the ops orders but they still covered some of them.. What made this exam so challenging was the style of questioning and the time constraint. This exam was simply too hard. Most of us didntt have the intelligence to excell on this exam including myself. Let's face it we all got beat. Its not fair but this job doesn't know what fair is. I am just north of passing on the gambler key but if I don't make it it will be stripes for life..

I'm told that Rising Star covered EVERY Ops Order that appeared on that disgusting exam. They were also the mind readers who first put out the leadership stuff that appeared on my Lt. Exam while the other schools were under a rock.....

queensfinest · Senior Member

That guy Misfud gave a wink and told some of us to study these procedures like he knew what was gonna be on the test.Guess what?Not one of the questions was on the test.

Su Madre 24 · Guru

Dr Feet wrote:
GDASSCLUB wrote:
Everybody on this site is complaining that the prep classes did not prepare us for the exam. I was a key student and the packets covered %95 of what was on the test. They only thing they dropped the ball on was the ops orders but they still covered some of them.. What made this exam so challenging was the style of questioning and the time constraint. This exam was simply too hard. Most of us didntt have the intelligence to excell on this exam including myself. Let's face it we all got beat. Its not fair but this job doesn't know what fair is. I am just north of passing on the gambler key but if I don't make it it will be stripes for life..

I'm told that Rising Star covered EVERY Ops Order that appeared on that disgusting exam. They were also the mind readers who first put out the leadership stuff that appeared on my Lt. Exam while the other schools were under a rock.....

I bought every company for this test. They DID have ops order covered. HOWEVER they lumped it all into the final packet. There were ****LOADS of pages to read which I didn't.

i emailed the owners that for the future to PLEASE spread out the hundred or so pages of ops orders thruout the entire course

bigfoot45 · Guru

Never taking the key again pass or fail. I feel like they didn't make an effort. Too much "line this out" BS. Make sure the damn packet is right before you print it. The review questions are the worse after each lesson. Elite is a bit more expensive but you get your money's worth. Way to many abbreviations in the key packets... Sometimes I would have to skip an entire procedure and read them straight out the patrol guide because of all the shortcuts they would try and take.

Paul Benedict · Veteran Member

I love how The Key pretended to have the "inside scoop" on the exam to sell their stupid LT Duties book. What a slap in the face to the students. The owners and instructors should be ashamed of themselves.

sgt2be · Guru

The Lt duty book is a simple collection of every procedure that mentions lt duties. We all made the conscious effort to study or to not study certain material. Don't blame anyone but yourself for not passing. If I don't pass it's my own fault for not studying certain items harder. no one told you to spend 800 dollars on the course and it certainly would be alot different if that key pegged u w a passing grade

Paul Benedict · Veteran Member

Sgt2Be, I'm not blaming The Key for passing/not passing. They stooped to a new level of ridiculousness and they flat out lied to their students and gave them a false sense of security. EST and Rising Star would never do something like that to sell a stupid book.

On Point Info · Senior Member

You think they actually lied to sell a book, cmon. That book was a drop in the bucket for them. They were passing along information that was given to them. Why would they lie and provide false information. Think about it; they, as all schools want their students to pass. Again the one to blame is the Captain in charge of this test. He tied the Lt writers hands and made his own questions to screw everyone.

sgt2be · Guru

It was a hard test....not impossible....you could pass that test not reading those ops orders. Shame on you if you studied 5 star proceedures and neglected 1 star. ..from the beginning yano said to study them...yes he was wrong on the number that be on there. We don't know the results..let's wait and see how we do

NOWAYOUT · Veteran Member

sgt2be wrote:
It was a hard test....not impossible....you could pass that test not reading those ops orders. Shame on you if you studied 5 star proceedures and neglected 1 star. ..from the beginning yano said to study them...yes he was wrong on the number that be on there. We don't know the results..let's wait and see how we do

You are certainly in the minority and are the only one I know who thinks this test wasn't impossible. Tell that to the people who didn't even finish the test after studying their a$$es off for 7 months. This test was ridiculous. No I'm not one of them and based on the Gamblor's key I have a chance. But i am certainly not confident at all. I think you will see how impossible this test was after the real answer key comes out.

sgt2be · Guru

Impossible is no one passing....ppl passed this test. The tesr was hard....some patrol guide questions hard.. many very easy. In basket very long and time consuming. Not my problem ppl couldn't properly manage time. I had a watch...when I saw questions I couldn't ponder on I moved on....they call that good test taking apparently...if I failed I blame no one but myself.

-- Edited by sgt2be on Tuesday 28th of April 2015 05:53:45 PM

Bklyn net · Senior Member

Those same questions from previous test I doubt will count so thats 5/6 right there . They were the easy ones go figure

sgt2be · Guru

Maybe maybe not....maybe all operation orders will be research.....we don't know. I studied hard enough to keep myself in the game. The test was not my kind of test...I struggled throughout. Listening to some you you guys b!tch sounds like they tested rocket science. I studied over 8 hours a day....I studied and tried to memorize everything. The way I studied gave me a chance....less then that and i can see it being "impossible".

NOWAYOUT · Veteran Member

sgt2be wrote:
Impossible is no one passing....ppl passed this test. The tesr was hard....some patrol guide questions hard.. many very easy. In basket very long and time consuming. Not my problem ppl couldn't properly manage time. I had a watch...when I saw questions I couldn't ponder on I moved on....they call that good test taking apparently...if I failed I blame no one but myself.

-- Edited by sgt2be on Tuesday 28th of April 2015 05:53:45 PM

Would you settle for a "very difficult" test ? I mean are you kidding ? & why would it be your problem ? Unless your one of the dopes who wrote this test.

sgt2be · Guru

I don't mind the test being difficult....personally I don't think 1600 cops passing a Sgt test is the way to go. I don't think 100 sgt passing a lietenant test is the way to go either. Somewhere should be a happy medium. Listen folks...testing in nypd is not fair. It favors certain ppl....particularly me. I can sit there and memorize useless nonsense and take a test and put it on paper. That's not going to change. Some of you guys sound like whiny b!tches....you have NO CLUE how you did! Guarantee if I told you pasaed you'd stop complaining just how hard that test was....and to answer your question I am not a test writter....just smart enough to know that those answers came from a guide I studied hard. If the test beat me then so be it...I guess the other alternative is to sit on a message board and complain like a schmuck

fodx · Guru

sgt2be wrote:
It was a hard test....not impossible....you could pass that test not reading those ops orders. Shame on you if you studied 5 star proceedures and neglected 1 star. ..from the beginning yano said to study them...yes he was wrong on the number that be on there. We don't know the results..let's wait and see how we do

Bull. The shame shouldnt be put on the person who studied, but on the dept who put us through the stupidty they call an exam. The people who pass this exam are simply the ones who GUESSED correctly.

NOWAYOUT · Veteran Member

sgt2be wrote:
I don't mind the test being difficult....personally I don't think 1600 cops passing a Sgt test is the way to go. I don't think 100 sgt passing a lietenant test is the way to go either. Somewhere should be a happy medium. Listen folks...testing in nypd is not fair. It favors certain ppl....particularly me. I can sit there and memorize useless nonsense and take a test and put it on paper. That's not going to change. Some of you guys sound like whiny b!tches....you have NO CLUE how you did! Guarantee if I told you pasaed you'd stop complaining just how hard that test was....and to answer your question I am not a test writter....just smart enough to know that those answers came from a guide I studied hard. If the test beat me then so be it...I guess the other alternative is to sit on a message board and complain like a schmuck

Yeah, your probably right it does favor you. You studied 8 hours a day ? You probably have no time on the job, very little Patrol experience and are currently sitting in a cushy detail somewhere. Your right it does favor you. Your exactly what this Job wants as a Lieutenant.

sgt2be · Guru

I'm sorry bro you're wrong....you are not passing this test by guessing. That is shameful even posting..what it comes down to is what you believe is a fair test. Was this test fair? To me no....was 06 lt test fair? No not when half the applicants taking the test receive a passing grade. Somewhere in between that is a fair test to me. This is an opinion based answer and cam change from person to person...but you guys act like they put some questions on there you never been told to study. Traditionally ops orders not tested....well this is what happens when you look at traditionally. I was in same boat and took same test. I guessed on the ones I didn't know...got them pretty much all wrong. Still enough questions on there to pass that test even w those ones I guessed

Sarge · Senior Member

wow! 8 hours a day? you must have some sweet gig...... and that may be the only way to have passed this ridiculous test. But for the rest of us in the real world, test was unfair.

sgt2be · Guru

NOWAYOUT wrote:
sgt2be wrote:
I don't mind the test being difficult....personally I don't think 1600 cops passing a Sgt test is the way to go. I don't think 100 sgt passing a lietenant test is the way to go either. Somewhere should be a happy medium. Listen folks...testing in nypd is not fair. It favors certain ppl....particularly me. I can sit there and memorize useless nonsense and take a test and put it on paper. That's not going to change. Some of you guys sound like whiny b!tches....you have NO CLUE how you did! Guarantee if I told you pasaed you'd stop complaining just how hard that test was....and to answer your question I am not a test writter....just smart enough to know that those answers came from a guide I studied hard. If the test beat me then so be it...I guess the other alternative is to sit on a message board and complain like a schmuck
Yeah, your probably right it does favor you. You studied 8 hours a day ? You probably have no time on the job, very little Patrol experience and are currently sitting in a cushy detail somewhere. Your right it does favor you. Your exactly what this Job wants as a Lieutenant.

And you are exactly what I don't want being a boss....a revenge full pr!ck who cries when something doesn't go their way. Yep I'm in s detail....worked hard by amassing over 200 arrests...very good sick record....worked hard all my career never one phone call. Yep studied over 8 hours a day waking up at 100 am on weekdays for a day tour to study..so yeah I'm sorry for making mysellf a better life w hard work and dedication....you keep telling yourself impossible and I'll keep making impossible possible

IShredMajors · Senior Member

fodx wrote:

Bull. The shame shouldnt be put on the person who studied, but on the dept who put us through the stupidty they call an exam. The people who pass this exam are simply the ones who GUESSED correctly.

Why is it so hard to believe that people who scored higher than you might have known the answers? I agree the test was unfairly difficult but the people who pass this are the ones who knew a lot, nobody is guessing their way to a passing score on this one.

Basically your argument is that 60 is the highest possible score, and everyone else higher than that got lucky. It's a defeatist viewpoint and quite frankly it makes you look childish.

-- Edited by IShredMajors on Tuesday 28th of April 2015 07:49:16 PM

NOWAYOUT · Veteran Member

sgt2be wrote:
NOWAYOUT wrote:
sgt2be wrote:
I don't mind the test being difficult....personally I don't think 1600 cops passing a Sgt test is the way to go. I don't think 100 sgt passing a lietenant test is the way to go either. Somewhere should be a happy medium. Listen folks...testing in nypd is not fair. It favors certain ppl....particularly me. I can sit there and memorize useless nonsense and take a test and put it on paper. That's not going to change. Some of you guys sound like whiny b!tches....you have NO CLUE how you did! Guarantee if I told you pasaed you'd stop complaining just how hard that test was....and to answer your question I am not a test writter....just smart enough to know that those answers came from a guide I studied hard. If the test beat me then so be it...I guess the other alternative is to sit on a message board and complain like a schmuck
Yeah, your probably right it does favor you. You studied 8 hours a day ? You probably have no time on the job, very little Patrol experience and are currently sitting in a cushy detail somewhere. Your right it does favor you. Your exactly what this Job wants as a Lieutenant.
And you are exactly what I don't want being a boss....a revenge full pr!ck who cries when something doesn't go their way. Yep I'm in s detail....worked hard by amassing over 200 arrests...very good sick record....worked hard all my career never one phone call. Yep studied over 8 hours a day waking up at 100 am on weekdays for a day tour to study..so yeah I'm sorry for making mysellf a better life w hard work and dedication....you keep telling yourself impossible and I'll keep making impossible possible

Great just what we need. Another newly promoted clueless Lieutenant crawling out behind some desk.

sgt2be · Guru

Obviously there are some on this job who are happy for those that succeed and better themselves...then there are those who cry when their partners get the detail they have been working for or pass the test they've been studying for. I wish the best for all of u...I've accepted that if I don't pass it falls on me for not studying everything I could have. maybe some of you should have a revelation...or keep blaming others...whatever floats your boat

IShredMajors · Senior Member

NOWAYOUT wrote:

Yeah, your probably right it does favor you. You studied 8 hours a day ? You probably have no time on the job, very little Patrol experience and are currently sitting in a cushy detail somewhere. Your right it does favor you. Your exactly what this Job wants as a Lieutenant.

I don't understand where this mentality came from. Who is the idiot who said that guys with lots of time on the job who stay on patrol are the most qualified for everything? In my experience, the more time someone has spent on patrol, the more lazy and useless they are. Most of the time, people in details are more motivated and more competent. Just my 2 cents from doing 10 years in this department; regardless of rank, I wouldn't trust most career patrol people to tie their own shoes!

DRPapi1983 · Guru

IShredMajors wrote:
NOWAYOUT wrote:
Yeah, your probably right it does favor you. You studied 8 hours a day ? You probably have no time on the job, very little Patrol experience and are currently sitting in a cushy detail somewhere. Your right it does favor you. Your exactly what this Job wants as a Lieutenant.
I don't understand where this mentality came from. Who is the idiot who said that guys with lots of time on the job who stay on patrol are the most qualified for everything? In my experience, the more time someone has spent on patrol, the more lazy and useless they are. Most of the time, people in details are more motivated and more competent. Just my 2 cents from doing 10 years in this department; regardless of rank, I wouldn't trust most career patrol people to tie their own shoes!

Lmao!!!

NOWAYOUT · Veteran Member

sgt2be wrote:
Obviously there are some on this job who are happy for those that succeed and better themselves...then there are those who cry when their partners get the detail they have been working for or pass the test they've been studying for. I wish the best for all of u...I've accepted that if I don't pass it falls on me for not studying everything I could have. maybe some of you should have a revelation...or keep blaming others...whatever floats your boat

Yep this is exactly what they want to Promote. The future of the Department. God help us .

Bklyn net · Senior Member

Let's not fight with each other the captain will win again

NOWAYOUT · Veteran Member

IShredMajors wrote:
NOWAYOUT wrote:
Yeah, your probably right it does favor you. You studied 8 hours a day ? You probably have no time on the job, very little Patrol experience and are currently sitting in a cushy detail somewhere. Your right it does favor you. Your exactly what this Job wants as a Lieutenant.
I don't understand where this mentality came from. Who is the idiot who said that guys with lots of time on the job who stay on patrol are the most qualified for everything? In my experience, the more time someone has spent on patrol, the more lazy and useless they are. Most of the time, people in details are more motivated and more competent. Just my 2 cents from doing 10 years in this department; regardless of rank, I wouldn't trust most career patrol people to tie their own shoes!

By the sound of your name I'm guessing your also sitting in a cushy detail behind a desk. Starting to see a very familiar pattern developing here.

sgt2be · Guru

disgruntled arent we? i guess the internet forum is your best source of venting. You know that guy....who always saids "this is whats wrong with the job" yeah that guy(who sounds alot like you) is often what is wrong with the job. Guys on this job are constantly trying to bring ppl down, but its never their fault...do me a favor dude and go to your desk...tell your CO you want an exit interview. Oh wait, maybe i should tell you to reread that procedure since the test was IMPOSSIBLE! Yes impossible, only to you nowayout, because the job and world revolves around your needs and since you had such an IMPOSSIBLE time, i guess everyone who pass is just damn near lucky. Alot of lucky folks soon, and i guess alot of unlucky folks according to you

-- Edited by sgt2be on Tuesday 28th of April 2015 08:42:28 PM

NOWAYOUT · Veteran Member

sgt2be wrote:
disgruntled arent we? i guess the internet forum is your best source of venting. You know that guy....who always saids "this is whats wrong with the job" yeah that guy(who sounds alot like you) is often what is wrong with the job. Guys on this job are constantly trying to bring ppl down, but its never their fault...do me a favor dude and go to your desk...tell your CO you want an exit interview. Oh wait, maybe i should tell you to reread that procedure since the test was IMPOSSIBLE! Yes impossible, only to you nowayout, because the job and world revolves around your needs and since you had such an IMPOSSIBLE time, i guess everyone who pass is just damn near lucky. Alot of lucky folks soon, and i guess alot of unlucky folks according to you

-- Edited by sgt2be on Tuesday 28th of April 2015 08:42:28 PM

You are actually scaring me. I'm in the game with Gamblor's key. You who has stated numerous times are as well. But your grammar is a little off, which now has me thinking this key might not be that accurate.

NOWAYOUT · Veteran Member

sgt2be wrote:
disgruntled arent we? i guess the internet forum is your best source of venting. You know that guy....who always saids "this is whats wrong with the job" yeah that guy(who sounds alot like you) is often what is wrong with the job. Guys on this job are constantly trying to bring ppl down, but its never their fault...do me a favor dude and go to your desk...tell your CO you want an exit interview. Oh wait, maybe i should tell you to reread that procedure since the test was IMPOSSIBLE! Yes impossible, only to you nowayout, because the job and world revolves around your needs and since you had such an IMPOSSIBLE time, i guess everyone who pass is just damn near lucky. Alot of lucky folks soon, and i guess alot of unlucky folks according to you

-- Edited by sgt2be on Tuesday 28th of April 2015 08:42:28 PM

By the way I love this Job, always have. Maybe you should read some of your posts. Because the one who might be wrong with this job is probably you.

IShredMajors · Senior Member

NOWAYOUT wrote:
IShredMajors wrote:
NOWAYOUT wrote:
Yeah, your probably right it does favor you. You studied 8 hours a day ? You probably have no time on the job, very little Patrol experience and are currently sitting in a cushy detail somewhere. Your right it does favor you. Your exactly what this Job wants as a Lieutenant.
I don't understand where this mentality came from. Who is the idiot who said that guys with lots of time on the job who stay on patrol are the most qualified for everything? In my experience, the more time someone has spent on patrol, the more lazy and useless they are. Most of the time, people in details are more motivated and more competent. Just my 2 cents from doing 10 years in this department; regardless of rank, I wouldn't trust most career patrol people to tie their own shoes!
By the sound of your name I'm guessing your also sitting in a cushy detail behind a desk. Starting to see a very familiar pattern developing here.

You are correct. I am in a detail that I worked very hard to achieve. By the sound of your name, I'm guessing you are stuck on patrol because you have a negative attitude and no detail wants to put up with your crap.

It is your lucky day though, there is a way out now! If you apply for the new CRC command, they will take anyone they can get, and you don't even need a CO's recommendation! Since you failed the exam, now is a good time to jump ship. You can work with all the other amazing patrol guys with lots of experience that had "no way out." Good luck!

sgt2be · Guru

not going to argue with you. I wish you nothing but success on this test. Nothing is guaranteed on this job or in life. Just like this test, life is often not fair. You work work and work and hope for the best. Perhaps some of us on here should ask ourselves if we did everything we could to be prepared for this test instead of blaming the key, elite, or the captain who wrote the test.

NOWAYOUT · Veteran Member

IShredMajors wrote:
NOWAYOUT wrote:
IShredMajors wrote:
NOWAYOUT wrote:
Yeah, your probably right it does favor you. You studied 8 hours a day ? You probably have no time on the job, very little Patrol experience and are currently sitting in a cushy detail somewhere. Your right it does favor you. Your exactly what this Job wants as a Lieutenant.
I don't understand where this mentality came from. Who is the idiot who said that guys with lots of time on the job who stay on patrol are the most qualified for everything? In my experience, the more time someone has spent on patrol, the more lazy and useless they are. Most of the time, people in details are more motivated and more competent. Just my 2 cents from doing 10 years in this department; regardless of rank, I wouldn't trust most career patrol people to tie their own shoes!
By the sound of your name I'm guessing your also sitting in a cushy detail behind a desk. Starting to see a very familiar pattern developing here.
You are correct. I am in a detail that I worked very hard to achieve. By the sound of your name, I'm guessing you are stuck on patrol because you have a negative attitude and no detail wants to put up with your crap.
It is your lucky day though, there is a way out now! If you apply for the new CRC command, they will take anyone they can get, and you don't even need a CO's recommendation! Since you failed the exam, now is a good time to jump ship. You can work with all the other amazing patrol guys with lots of experience that had "no way out." Good luck!

Well said. Spoken like a true house mouse !

Su Madre 24 · Guru

I agree that there is some level of hubris that comes with Sgt2Be's posts...but his message is correct.

No matter how tough a test we had, and yes it was brutal, it wasn't UNFAIR. 2200 or so motherfcukers sat for this exam and we all took the SAME test. How is that UNFAIR?

Another sore issue with me are the people bitching about the schools "failing us" or people bitching about how they "wasted time" and missed family time.

It doesn't matter if Mifsud or Ralphie said: "focus on this" or "don't worry about that", YOU STILL NEED TO READ THE ENTIRE PATROL GUIDE AND KNOW IT ALL. END OF SUBJECT. In regards, to the Father or Mother of the Years bitching about time lost: it's only a "loss" if you failed. That's the gamble we all take. If, God willing, you pass...will you actually care that you missed kiddie time then? Nope I didn't think so. So take it easy with that.

I'm trending at a 73, God willing it holds up and if it doesn't; that sucks. But I'm still alive, I got my health and a job...and I'll take the next lt exam.

sgt2be · Guru

hubris??? come onnnn :)