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This is interesting :) 

sumadre23 wrote:

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Sorry for whoever is on the end of the 2011 list but I have good word it will be cut.  Remember I'm the one who told you all the scores were being released when they were.  

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 Relax you asked DCAS about the release of the scores4 days before they were released. Lol.  That's not a source And it doesn't make you a reliable source either.  If the list gets cut. Oh well. Life goes on. 

I never said they were cutting the list at 1250. All I'm saying is I wasn't full of **** about the scores going out and no one believed me and everyone called me a troll. And as far as a lawsuit you are an idiot. Anyone can sue for anything and they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. Just like all the morons who said ed Mullins and the sba were suing over the 2013  test

They can cut the list if they want it's a competitive exam! Not all the LT get promoted that PASS they have to score high. Whatever they decide it is what it is. I really don't think the list is going anywhere. 

Semp1 wrote:

 I'm actually shocked that not one person has talked about the PC visiting BMOC last month and saying to the cops there that the dept is currently 12 to 1 and he wants it to be 7 to 1.  That in itself says a lot.  You need all promotions for that to occur. 

-- Edited by Semp1 on Sunday 22nd of June 2014 09:35:39 PM

-- Edited by Semp1 on Sunday 22nd of June 2014 09:37:43 PM

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 I'm interested in hearing more about this. I'm surprised it hasn't been brought up in the past. This really happened? If true, not only would it mean no cut, but an increased rate of promotions and a quick jump in seniority for those already in the rank. Did he mention whether the increase was going to be focused on patrol?

Also, another point which will certainly effect promotions. This week the legislature passed a change which will allow ALL military veterans to purchase up to 3 years of active duty time into the pension. When the governor signs it into law sometime before the election, expect a big wave of retirements towards the end of the year, beginning of next. Lots of military SGT's will be affected by this change.

AirborneGuy wrote:

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Semp1 wrote:

 I'm actually shocked that not one person has talked about the PC visiting BMOC last month and saying to the cops there that the dept is currently 12 to 1 and he wants it to be 7 to 1.  That in itself says a lot.  You need all promotions for that to occur. 

-- Edited by Semp1 on Sunday 22nd of June 2014 09:35:39 PM

-- Edited by Semp1 on Sunday 22nd of June 2014 09:37:43 PM

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 I'm interested in hearing more about this. I'm surprised it hasn't been brought up in the past. This really happened? If true, not only would it mean no cut, but an increased rate of promotions and a quick jump in seniority for those already in the rank. Did he mention whether the increase was going to be focused on patrol?

Also, another point which will certainly effect promotions. This week the legislature passed a change which will allow ALL military veterans to purchase up to 3 years of active duty time into the pension. When the governor signs it into law sometime before the election, expect a big wave of retirements towards the end of the year, beginning of next. Lots of military SGT's will be affected by this change.

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 Yes. It happened.   Unless like 3 separate guys from May or June BMOC were lying to me.   If I'm wrong can some one from the May orJune  confirm please.  

-- Edited by Semp1 on Monday 23rd of June 2014 12:09:00 AM

Airborne All the Way!

Romeo23g wrote:

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I am in no way wishing for any list to be cut... And for many of my friends who are on the 2011, I am hoping that they get their time in the sun. As a veteran and currently in the 2013 list I totally agree with AirBorneGuy. Many veterans were waiting for this piece of legislature to pass and it did..There will be a huge exodus of veterans once the governor signs this. Once the exodus starts, the upper ranks will thin out and an urgency in promotion will begin. 

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 This was huge for me. I hit 12 next week. I went from 8 years left and thinking about 25 to 5 years left and saying "let's move while we're still young", kids included. I have 2 expeditionary medals (Bosnia and Kosovo), but the old law excluded me.

What an anonymous person says on an online forum puts you on edge? Grow up. 

Semp1 wrote:

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Dresch58 wrote:

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They can cut the list if they want it's a competitive exam! Not all the LT get promoted that PASS they have to score high. Whatever they decide it is what it is. I really don't think the list is going anywhere. 

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 See that's slightly incorrect.   They promote off the LT tests until they go the legal maximum time. The 2006 went 4 full years at that point it died.  The LT test before it went longer than 4 years, and promoted the entire list. So you are actually incorrect.  Not being able to promote a list that has about 600 more after 4 years of promoting is understandable when it took 4 years to promote about 750 For the 06 Lt list.  What you want a 7 year list?  Lol. C'mon.  The 11 list for sgt is 2.2 years old and would only take 1 year max to finish.  But I do agree they can cut if they want but feel that they don't want to.  I'm actually shocked that not one person has talked about the PC visiting BMOC last month and saying to the cops there that the dept is currently 12 to 1 and he wants it to be 7 to 1.  That in itself says a lot.  You need all promotions for that to occur. 

-- Edited by Semp1 on Sunday 22nd of June 2014 09:35:39 PM

-- Edited by Semp1 on Sunday 22nd of June 2014 09:37:43 PM

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 Semp1, you are actually slightly incorrect on a couple of issues speaking of recent Lieutenants' Exams. The 2003 exam went for nearly 4 full years, but not quite, you are correct in that everyone got made. The passing score was set at a raw score of 81, which was a few years before the mandate of the 2006 Sgt exam and every promotional exam since that 70 or better raw score is passing or to make a list.

Before the 70 rule, an arbitrary passing score was set which I believe they based on anticipated need for the rank in the upcoming years. So the 2003 Lt exam you needed an 81 raw score just to make the list. The 2006 Lt exam you needed a 70 to make the list but I think (not exactly certain) people died on the list with scores in the mid to high 70's simply bc it was a list of about 1200 and they only got to about what you said which accurate, around 750 after 4 years. The exam expired and was not cut which you have accurately pointed out several times.

Before the 2006 Sgt exam though, the previous two Sgt exams before that were in fact cut, but those exams were given well over a decade ago and the 70 raw score to make a list was not in effect yet. The 2003 exam got into the 1100+ range and I am not 100% certain but the exam before that got into the 1300+ range. Both were similar list sizes to the 2011 exam, but the 2011 exam had better scoring by candidates overall. 

Also the 4 year expiration rule did not always exist either, when I got on the job I spoke to Sgt's and Lt's that told me their respective promotional exam lasted as long as 8 years and over 2000+ people would be on the list! So my point of all of this is the rules are like a moving goalpost that seem to change all the time.

Also did anyone have any idea the last Sgt exam would throw 130 questions what has been a 100 question exam as long as anyone can remember? No one except DCAS and the PC has any control over this current list. If the PC wants to win over some goodwill, perhaps he should let everyone who passed get promoted.

PatrolGuideismyBible wrote:

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Semp1 wrote:

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Dresch58 wrote:

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They can cut the list if they want it's a competitive exam! Not all the LT get promoted that PASS they have to score high. Whatever they decide it is what it is. I really don't think the list is going anywhere. 

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 See that's slightly incorrect.   They promote off the LT tests until they go the legal maximum time. The 2006 went 4 full years at that point it died.  The LT test before it went longer than 4 years, and promoted the entire list. So you are actually incorrect.  Not being able to promote a list that has about 600 more after 4 years of promoting is understandable when it took 4 years to promote about 750 For the 06 Lt list.  What you want a 7 year list?  Lol. C'mon.  The 11 list for sgt is 2.2 years old and would only take 1 year max to finish.  But I do agree they can cut if they want but feel that they don't want to.  I'm actually shocked that not one person has talked about the PC visiting BMOC last month and saying to the cops there that the dept is currently 12 to 1 and he wants it to be 7 to 1.  That in itself says a lot.  You need all promotions for that to occur. 

-- Edited by Semp1 on Sunday 22nd of June 2014 09:35:39 PM

-- Edited by Semp1 on Sunday 22nd of June 2014 09:37:43 PM

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 Semp1, you are actually slightly incorrect on a couple of issues speaking of recent Lieutenants' Exams. The 2003 exam went for nearly 4 full years, but not quite, you are correct in that everyone got made. The passing score was set at a raw score of 81, which was a few years before the mandate of the 2006 Sgt exam and every promotional exam since that 70 or better raw score is passing or to make a list.

Before the 70 rule, an arbitrary passing score was set which I believe they based on anticipated need for the rank in the upcoming years. So the 2003 Lt exam you needed an 81 raw score just to make the list. The 2006 Lt exam you needed a 70 to make the list but I think (not exactly certain) people died on the list with scores in the mid to high 70's simply bc it was a list of about 1200 and they only got to about what you said which accurate, around 750 after 4 years. The exam expired and was not cut which you have accurately pointed out several times.

Before the 2006 Sgt exam though, the previous two Sgt exams before that were in fact cut, but those exams were given well over a decade ago and the 70 raw score to make a list was not in effect yet. The 2003 exam got into the 1100+ range and I am not 100% certain but the exam before that got into the 1300+ range. Both were similar list sizes to the 2011 exam, but the 2011 exam had better scoring by candidates overall. 

Also the 4 year expiration rule did not always exist either, when I got on the job I spoke to Sgt's and Lt's that told me their respective promotional exam lasted as long as 8 years and over 2000+ people would be on the list! So my point of all of this is the rules are like a moving goalpost that seem to change all the time.

Also did anyone have any idea the last Sgt exam would throw 130 questions what has been a 100 question exam as long as anyone can remember? No one except DCAS and the PC has any control over this current list. If the PC wants to win over some goodwill, perhaps he should let everyone who passed get promoted.

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 But basically what you're telling me is I'm right.  All Lt tests have gone either to exhaustion or at least the maximum 4 years not the minimum 1 year in the last 10 years. Which is a "rule" set in place by DCAS in regards to all civil service tests/lists.  So that rule is followed because there is no reason to arbitrarily cut lists when you have a passing grade implemented which is basically a pre cut and when you have lists that are filled with eligibles.  And grades have nothing to do with cut offs.  The NOE would state how many spots were needed 81 was just where that list hit the number required. The grade isn't what mattered.  The NOE now says you need a 70 to make the list Which I am sure you are aware of.  any way, whats your obsession with the 2011 list? Seriously. It's a little weird that a guy whose supposedly as you say 2 ranks above us is so concerned with our test and list that consistently for the last 2 years has randomly come on and let us know how our list might get cut. Maybe before the test was given you claiming you're just trying to give good advice and push us to study for the 2013 made sense.  But now that  both tests are done with whats the point besides just to stir the pot.  And that's why you're a Troll. 

PatrolGuideismyBible wrote:

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Only one username and I already failed the last Captains exam as did pretty much everyone that took it. Not much news there on anything other than to study for the next one or skip it? Also many on this board seem to spread bad info that I know is wrong, so I take the time to set it right. I am often called a liar, but everything I presented as fact is actually true and many of you which I can tell, have had to eat crow over it.

Anyway this thread, board, topic, whatever isn't about me, so you shouldn't attempt to make it that, that doesn't do anyone any good. Nothing anyone can do now but wait and see. If this entire 2011 Sgt exam does get made, it would be the most people made from one promotional list since the 1990's, I find it interesting in some strange way.

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 Anything is possible, but I do I agree with some of the users here.  Patrolguide seems very passionate about the 2011 list getting cut.  Even though there's no evidence you find a way to articulate it.  Its pretty pathetic, btw not everyone failed the captain's test and maybe if you spent your time studying instead of spewing worthless negative information you would have passed too.

queensfinest wrote:

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This guy is still rambling about this shyt.

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 It's evident that someone he doesn't like on the 2011 list might take the Lt. test and catch up to him; so he wants the list cut.