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unborn · Guru

Captains List with eligibility dates

Mase14 · Veteran Member

Nice thx

shwangtwang · Veteran Member

If you look at some of the added points you can figure out who came out from the same class. It looks like number 48 55 56 and 62 came out of the same class and should be eligible the same date

stiggityone · Guru

Just have to run the names to get the tax #'s, and then run the Tax #'s in the Personnel Orders to find out their promotion date. These I know so far...
3)Lee 08/03/14
9)Mackie 06/29/14
17)Tavalaro 10/26/14
23)Othman 04/26/15
28)Hillery Eligible (promoted to Lt 12/23/11)
36)Mohan Eligible (promoted to Lt 03/30/12)
37)Eger Eligible (promoted to Lt 12/23/08)
38)Fikru 08/30/14

stiggityone · Guru

41)Brown Eligible (promoted to Lt 11/23/10)
42)Davis Eligible (promoted to Lt 12/23/08)
43)Ventre Eligible (promoted to Lt 05/27/11)
45)Maisonet 08/29/15
46)Worobey 08/03/14

stiggityone · Guru

50)Edelman: 08/03/14
51)Longobardi: 08/03/14
52)Weiss: 06/29/14
54)Ghonz: 10/26/14
56)Cassiere: 04/26/15
57)Murria: 08/29/15
58)Marino: 06/29/14
59)Yakatally: 10/26/14
60)Napolitano: 08/30/14
61)Perez: 08/30/14
62)Clifford: 04/26/15

unborn · Guru

Hey thanks, you saved me a bunch of work. Lol.

Lew Bookman · Senior Member

I kinda missed going to class today.

hollar · Guru

Lew F u... Keep those comments to urself

Wannabecaptain · Veteran Member

hollar wrote:
Lew F u... Keep those comments to urself

I'm so glad that I didn't fail and I don't have to go to class on Sundays.

-- Edited by Wannabecaptain on Monday 12th of May 2014 04:19:50 PM

hollar · Guru

You will be a perfect captain and above... Ur ego will take u places... Lol

especially during compstat

-- Edited by hollar on Monday 28th of April 2014 02:46:28 AM

Walter H White · Member

Six points between #1 and #2. Curious.

Lloyd Dobler · Veteran Member

I don't think grown men should ever write "lol."

stiggityone · Guru

Walter H White wrote:
Six points between #1 and #2. Curious.

Had to have taken the make-up test. Let's see how many names get added in the coming weeks/months. #1 and #2 on the last Lt's exam were added months later. I used to see #1 at the Capt Key classes...she usually slept through the entire lecture. Such a joke. This whole testing procedure is a sham. I should've converted and became a 7-day Adventist. Would've saved me a lot of study time and guaranteed me a great list #.

Lloyd Dobler · Veteran Member

# 1 & #2 on the Lt. exam were disgusting cheaters who probably feel no shame for what they did. There are 2 people waiting for their names to be called right now who should've been Lieutenants in the last class, because of these dicks.

If they pop up on this one late...

Wannabecaptain · Veteran Member

Lloyd Dobler wrote:
I don't think grown men should ever write "lol."

I'm opposed to women's suffrage.

JustTheFacts · Veteran Member

Early word is 11 Captains and 29 Lieutenants for friday May 30th. Repeat early word.

stillwaiting · Veteran Member

Great news

SGT1701 · Senior Member

The vacancies are increasing. There is movement coming tomorrow in COs in Transit, opening up a transit task force command. which will create 1 capt vacancy right there.

arimaas · Veteran Member

JustTheFacts wrote:
Early word is 11 Captains and 29 Lieutenants for friday May 30th. Repeat early word.

How many are left on the 2012 captains list before these possible promotions?

Lew Bookman · Senior Member

i heard 21. BTW, Congratulations.

JustTheFacts · Veteran Member

Yes, Its somewhere between 21 and 23 left on the 2012 list. Things are going according to schedule-a June class then most likely a September class which would finish the list. The guys like SGT 1701 should be going in right around the New Year.

unborn · Guru

Since it doesn't look like they'll be releasing a final key, anyone have an idea of which questions were tossed or changed?

Lew Bookman · Senior Member

unborn wrote:
Since it doesn't look like they'll be releasing a final key, anyone have an idea of which questions were tossed or changed?

from what i was told, 50 and 64 were throwouts and 17 and 48 were double and triple answers. dont know which one was which

Booking Fool · Senior Member

unborn wrote:
Since it doesn't look like they'll be releasing a final key, anyone have an idea of which questions were tossed or changed?

Really? Just shut it and be happy you're done!!

Wannabecaptain · Veteran Member

Booking Fool wrote:
unborn wrote:
Since it doesn't look like they'll be releasing a final key, anyone have an idea of which questions were tossed or changed?
Really? Just shut it and be happy you're done!!

Go study! You obviously can't afford to waste time on this forum.

Booking Fool · Senior Member

Wannabecaptain wrote:
Booking Fool wrote:
unborn wrote:
Since it doesn't look like they'll be releasing a final key, anyone have an idea of which questions were tossed or changed?
Really? Just shut it and be happy you're done!!
Go study! You obviously can't afford to waste time on this forum.

who's this guy?

Lew Bookman · Senior Member

I hate when people do all of these multiple quotes. I have a tough time figuring out who said what.

arimaas · Veteran Member

Lew Bookman wrote:
i heard 21. BTW, Congratulations.

Thank you.

I still feel that the test was quite unfair and can go on long rants about it. Would be happy to actually sit down with people that could make changes to the process and give me 2¢ having taking standardized tests my entire life - but that will never happen. Hopefully this Captain's test won't ask very important, job related questions such as how many hours a form that goes to the NYS Department of Labor has to be hanging in the workplace for.

brat4914 · Guru

arimaas wrote:
Lew Bookman wrote:
i heard 21. BTW, Congratulations.
Thank you.
I still feel that the test was quite unfair and can go on long rants about it. Would be happy to actually sit down with people that could make changes to the process and give me 2¢ having taking standardized tests my entire life - but that will never happen. Hopefully this Captain's test won't ask very important, job related questions such as how many hours a form that goes to the NYS Department of Labor has to be hanging in the workplace for.

Working on it Ari

arimaas · Veteran Member

brat4914 wrote:
Working on it Ari

Reach out to me if you'd like - I submitted a reengieering suggestion a little while ago. You know I am not one to keep my oppinions to myself. Would gladly sit down with the people directly and throw my 2¢ into the ring, for what it's worth.

smartcookie · Senior Member

arimaas wrote:
brat4914 wrote:
Working on it Ari
Reach out to me if you'd like - I submitted a reengieering suggestion a little while ago. You know I am not one to keep my oppinions to myself. Would gladly sit down with the people directly and throw my 2¢ into the ring, for what it's worth.

I also submitted a reengineering suggestion regarding the Dept's promotional exams. I was contacted yesterday by a member of the team. I'm sure you will be contacted soon as well. I will forward your email address if you'd like. smile

stiggityone · Guru

I submitted some re engineering ideas as well...doesn't hurt. I think we all agree these tests do absolutely nothing to determine who will be an effective leader and who won't. At this point they only measure your ability to memorize useless minutiae and your guessing ability on exam day. I know in the 80s there was an interview and scenario component to promotional exams, i.e..."Lieutenant you've just arrived at the scene of a bomb explosion at the Empire State Building...how are you going to coordinate your personnel and handle the job?". This system was nixed because your grade was subjective in nature. The grading panel may think your answer as to how u would handle that job is an A+ and my answer is a C. This led to lawsuits claiming racial bias and led to the current system of exams (memorization based exams to eliminate any bias or perception of bias).
So to me...the real question is...how do we all collectively change the current testing system...so that it effectively measures leadership/supervisory abilities...while also keeping us in the clear of frivolous and usually baseless lawsuits.

arimaas · Veteran Member

smartcookie wrote:
arimaas wrote:
brat4914 wrote:
Working on it Ari
Reach out to me if you'd like - I submitted a reengieering suggestion a little while ago. You know I am not one to keep my oppinions to myself. Would gladly sit down with the people directly and throw my 2¢ into the ring, for what it's worth.
I also submitted a reengineering suggestion regarding the Dept's promotional exams. I was contacted yesterday by a member of the team. I'm sure you will be contacted soon as well. I will forward your email address if you'd like.

I will be taking the July 2014 NY and NJ Bar exam - so I am glad to help where I can - but I am NOT volunteering to sit on any committee now - I just don't have the time. However - like I said, provide to whomever any information you would like - I would be glad to help. arimaas@gmail.com

arimaas · Veteran Member

stiggityone wrote:
I submitted some re engineering ideas as well...doesn't hurt. I think we all agree these tests do absolutely nothing to determine who will be an effective leader and who won't. At this point they only measure your ability to memorize useless minutiae and your guessing ability on exam day. I know in the 80s there was an interview and scenario component to promotional exams, i.e..."Lieutenant you've just arrived at the scene of a bomb explosion at the Empire State Building...how are you going to coordinate your personnel and handle the job?". This system was nixed because your grade was subjective in nature. The grading panel may think your answer as to how u would handle that job is an A+ and my answer is a C. This led to lawsuits claiming racial bias and led to the current system of exams (memorization based exams to eliminate any bias or perception of bias).
So to me...the real question is...how do we all collectively change the current testing system...so that it effectively measures leadership/supervisory abilities...while also keeping us in the clear of frivolous and usually baseless lawsuits.

Unfortunetly, I don't think any multiple choice test can effectively measure leadership. The military, in addition to testing, does a board interview. Here - we can't do it. But we can do is create a multiple choice test that does include some judgement component, such as off duty incidents, police involved shootings, discipline, etc. You can base the questions right there in the Patrol Guide so no one can say it is subjective. We have to get away from asking the size of the lettering on a bicycle or who gets a 49 for a temp. assignment (look it up when you need to write one) and ask more about what do you do first at a bomb job, or you're a duty captain responding to an off duty incident. It will be hard to make a 100 question test on this - so obviously there needs to be some memorization questions in there. Lets make those memorization questions pertinant, however. Something you should know without having to look it up. Even though I think it is silly, it is important for a Captain to know the proper uniform rules - he or she is the one turning out the detail. I don't think asking when a short sleeve shirt can be worn is an unfair question. What I do think is over 50% of the questions asked on the LT and CAPT test I took were unfair questions. I walked out of those two exams shaking my head thinking I failed. I did not do that on my SGT's test - and the reason I feel that was is because it was well written and pertinent (2009 test). Just my thoughts.

Walter H White · Member

interestingly even with all of the reengineering the dept managed to select probably the most incompetent captain on the job to write the upcoming exam. Progress.

Mase14 · Veteran Member

Yea thats just the let me do you a solid since you been a CPT for 10yrs and not getting promoted hook up

wereinbacklog · Guru

Funny thing is I know exactly who you guys are talking about.

brat4914 · Guru

Hey smart cookie, there are 3 of us calling people, did I speak with you yesterday????

stiggityone, I emailed you .......call me

ari, never saw your submission, are you sure you didn't submit anonymously

smartcookie · Senior Member

brat4914 wrote:
Hey smart cookie, there are 3 of us calling people, did I speak with you yesterday????
stiggityone, I emailed you .......call me
ari, never saw your submission, are you sure you didn't submit anonymously

Nope. Not me. I talked to a male Lt. smile

JustWonderin · Guru

Walter H White wrote:
interestingly even with all of the reengineering the dept managed to select probably the most incompetent captain on the job to write the upcoming exam. Progress.

That may be a good thing. Maybe it will be a ground ball test, lol

smartcookie · Senior Member

Walter H White wrote:
interestingly even with all of the reengineering the dept managed to select probably the most incompetent captain on the job to write the upcoming exam. Progress.

There are 4 captains writing the exam, not just one. There is hope! lol

wereinbacklog · Guru

I'm preparing for the worse lol

smartcookie · Senior Member

arimaas wrote:
smartcookie wrote:
I also submitted a reengineering suggestion regarding the Dept's promotional exams. I was contacted yesterday by a member of the team. I'm sure you will be contacted soon as well. I will forward your email address if you'd like.
I will be taking the July 2014 NY and NJ Bar exam - so I am glad to help where I can - but I am NOT volunteering to sit on any committee now - I just don't have the time. However - like I said, provide to whomever any information you would like - I would be glad to help. arimaas@gmail.com

arimaas- check your messages. :)

unborn · Guru

Walter H White wrote:
interestingly even with all of the reengineering the dept managed to select probably the most incompetent captain on the job to write the upcoming exam. Progress.

I know one of the guys writing it, and he definitely fits into that category.

Walter H White · Member

Lew Bookman · Senior Member

Walter H White wrote:

My thoughts exactly!

arimaas · Veteran Member

brat4914 wrote:
Hey smart cookie, there are 3 of us calling people, did I speak with you yesterday????
stiggityone, I emailed you .......call me
ari, never saw your submission, are you sure you didn't submit anonymously

I emailed it in because for some reason the submission system was down. They sent me some Excel document that I sent back (or at least I thought I did). Anyway, you know my thoughts on it already!

unborn · Guru

List has been updated with next week's promotions.

big guy · Senior Member

unborn will u be updating the lt's list soon?? Thank you