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how certain is your source for a 2014 test?? im hoping for a test by may! trying to plan next years vacay and honeymoon around this thing! feels like my life is on hold untill i get word of a test date!
i wanna enjoy myself...last time i had a booked vacation for sgt test and ended up studying on it. I wanna get this test over with and not have to take a week off. Say what you want but i dont study just to pass.
I had to study on vacation also. That sucked. I definitely didn't spend as much time as I should have either. Thank god for all those seniority points!
Dude. I am only saying to go on your honeymoon. Best of luck...
i understand what you are saying. But to be honest, if i hear the test is coming out in 2014 i can work around it. This lt test is huge for us, prob wont be another one for possibly 4 years. I tell guys studying for the the upcoming sgt test. You cant study for a 70. You gotta go for a 100.
I'm in the 910-930 range on this list. I'm praying I get made in time for this test.
There will def NOT be a test for 4-5 years and YES you need an 84 grade minimum in my opinion to get made.
This past lt test with the grades was an anomaly.
Omg Su Madre we get it you are in the 900s and you hope to get promoted by 2018. Stop shaking out. God help the cops you will be in charge of. You are in great shape in the 900s to get promoted by the end of the yr. relax...
dont forget....this last lt test will prob. not matter what score you got. That hasnt been the case in the past. So not only do you have to worry about passing, but you have to score well to. Im not wasting 800 in classes and 6 months of my life to fail or die on a list
I hear ya bro but everyone needs to relax. You have no control when they are gonna put this next test out. I'm about 350 names away. If I make it awesome if not I'm gonna do my best as a Sgt and still collect a pay check. I'm a Det now so I'm lucky in that aspect. But the constant shaking out and negativity is pathetic. Every test they go through the same thing. To the guy 1600+ you will get promoted just a waiting game
Patroguide your math is a little off, luckily for you promotional test don't require much math. If I'm not mistaking your "the list is not even halfway" comment is stupid. With 274 made and 26 going in this month is very likely that the list will reach half before the end of the year. It is very likely the list will be made roughly by the end of 2014 or the first quarter of 2015. To think that the dept. will wait until everyone is made to announce, write and give a test is naïve. It takes 6 months to establish a list. So the rumors that's test will be given in spring 2014 are very possible since the list is likely to be establish in the winter and they can start making LT as soon as the 2011 list is exhausted. FYI 20 doubles/triples/throwouts; were granted to offset, the potential of lawsuits.
-- Edited by wisecop on Monday 23rd of September 2013 11:56:53 PM
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Patrolguide failed to take into account that there will be another massive retirement comes winter 2014 and another one in summer 2014. Moreover 47 Lt are on terminal so even though they will promote 26 this week there is still a gap which will widen comes october/november when those Lt's officially retire. we are going to have 6 month to study, then it will take another 3 month to establish the list. By then the list might have another -+100 names. Some wont make it, i already know at least 3 names 2 of them got passed over as of now.
-- Edited by sig226 on Tuesday 24th of September 2013 12:46:36 AM
I highly doubt there will be a Lt exam in spring of 2014. I am just guessing that late 2014 at the absolute earliest or more realistically, sometime in 2015. Why? They are not even halfway through this current Lt list and the list has only been active for a year and three months. Why does that matter, especially when I routinely post concerns about a cut to the Sgt's list early, but not a cut to the Lt exam? Historically Lt exam lists DO NOT get cut before the 4 years are up. Also the last Lt exam had 20 questions that had double, triple, or throwout answers. The exam was an absolute mess and I think it would be a legitimate lawsuit for those that made the list and might have initially out scored a good portion of the list only to get leapfrogged by others with all the manipulated questions.
Lt exams to my knowledge have always been allowed to either expire or promote everyone within 4 years. So with 300+ more people waiting to get promoted and more than 2 and 1/2 years until the list officially expires, I think it will still be some time before the new exam is given.
I highly doubt there will be a Lt exam in spring of 2014. I am just guessing that late 2014 at the absolute earliest or more realistically, sometime in 2015. Why? They are not even halfway through this current Lt list and the list has only been active for a year and three months. Why does that matter, especially when I routinely post concerns about a cut to the Sgt's list early, but not a cut to the Lt exam? Historically Lt exam lists DO NOT get cut before the 4 years are up. Also the last Lt exam had 20 questions that had double, triple, or throwout answers. The exam was an absolute mess and I think it would be a legitimate lawsuit for those that made the list and might have initially out scored a good portion of the list only to get leapfrogged by others with all the manipulated questions.
Lt exams to my knowledge have always been allowed to either expire or promote everyone within 4 years. So with 300+ more people waiting to get promoted and more than 2 and 1/2 years until the list officially expires, I think it will still be some time before the new exam is given.
With all due respect, what are you trying to convey? I think you have too many points overlapping with not much sense!
The sgt 2009 list started making people in nov 2010 and In less than a year and one half they made everyone, that's why they gave a test 6 months before in anticipation
-- Edited by wisecop on Tuesday 24th of September 2013 04:28:06 AM
-- Edited by wisecop on Tuesday 24th of September 2013 04:29:13 AM
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1. Probably no Lt exam until either late 2014 at the earliest or sometime in 2015.
2. Lt exams do not get cut early historically
3. The last Lt exam was an absolute disaster with such bad questions and lack of basic understanding of PG rules, that so many answers were manipulated that IF anyone died on that list, I think they have a great lawsuit. 20 doubles/triples/throwouts? Unreal.
Failed to take into account future things that have yet to happen? Maybe you guys don't know many Lieutenants? Many are staying past 20 years, most people I know that are leaving at 20 are PO's, Det's, Sgt's. Lt's and above? Many seem to be staying. I know thats anecdotal but here is something that isn't. The LBA has only about 1700 active members, large classes of eligible has little effect on much of anything. How many of those 1700 are from the 93 or 94 classes? Probably very few. How many are actually retiring? Fewer.
As for wisecop, my math, reasoning, etc. are fine. Someday perhaps you will do as well on promotional exams as I have.
Also, before you guys edit your posts again to switch positions when I am actually making sense, see how my posts on this thread here have not been edited.
knowing LT doesn't have anything with the reality. This list not been moving at an outrageous rate and yet in a little over a year is almost at 300. Other than you being a hater there are no indications that in another year 300 won't be made. So it makes sense to have a test to make up for the vacancies. This sounds like the guys that are staying the Sgt list will get cut. Why? they make a 75 sgts almost every month. If u ignore the trolls is a no brainer that sometime in 2014 the sgt list will be done so establishing a list before the summer makes sense. read past exams and guys like patrol r a dime a dozen.
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What are you guys talking about? The last Lt exam was given late Oct 2011, the list was established sometime later and the first BMOC class was around June 2012. So in 1 year and 3 months 274 have been promoted. Lets say the list is halfway done after a year and a half then under that rate, the list would be exhausted in about 3 years total.
So if it only takes about 3 years to exhaust this list and they need another one ready for around Summer 2015, wouldn't late 2014 or early 2015 make a lot more sense?
IYou're not making any sense, the first class went in in July of last year, if you're tying to get a good estimate why exclude the 26 going in Monday. Which would put the list at 300. And again your math is bad 1 year and 3 months times 2 is 2 yrs and a half. And you still haven't answers why would they wait until the whole list is done to have a test. You're a senior troll.
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IYou're not making any sense, the first class went in in July of last year, if you're tying to get a good estimate why exclude the 26 going in Monday. Which would put the list at 300. And again your math is bad 1 year and 3 months times 2 is 2 yrs and a half. And you still haven't answers why would they wait until the whole list is done to have a test. You're a senior troll.
patrol i think you are simply wrong on this. Ondeairs info about the budget allowing for a 2014 test is spot on from the info being told by all the class instructors. Possibility of a april/may/october 2014 test is strong.
First off, the Oct 2011 Lt exam started promoting in June 2012 (Keep in mind Lt's get promoted day 1, not after the end of BMOC). The list is up to around 274 with only like a dozen or so passovers. It seems likely that the list might be around halfway done by years end.
So lets say all of you guys really think there will be a Spring 2014 Lt exam, that would leave still a few hundred yet to get made and the list not expiring for another 2+ years? I think everyone will get made in under 4 years, it will probably take about 3 years. So lets say it takes 3 years and the list is exhausted around June 2015, wouldn't it make more sense for a late 2014 or early 2015 exam?
Not it wouldn't make sense. It sounds like you're expecting to get made late 2014, so I would understand why u want to say 3 years. But since ur making my point for me it's okay. Yes if the list would be exhausted June 2015 it would make sense to establish a list late 2014 or early 2015, which means they'd have to give a test around march-June 2014.
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First off, the Oct 2011 Lt exam started promoting in June 2012 (Keep in mind Lt's get promoted day 1, not after the end of BMOC). The list is up to around 274 with only like a dozen or so passovers. It seems likely that the list might be around halfway done by years end.
So lets say all of you guys really think there will be a Spring 2014 Lt exam, that would leave still a few hundred yet to get made and the list not expiring for another 2+ years? I think everyone will get made in under 4 years, it will probably take about 3 years. So lets say it takes 3 years and the list is exhausted around June 2015, wouldn't it make more sense for a late 2014 or early 2015 exam?
ya, you are looking at possibly half the list being exhausted by the years end. Half the list was exhausted for the sgts test when they announced this upcoming test. Actuallly less then half was exhausted. So, now you are going to say, they promote more sergeants then lts at any given time, which is ofcourse very true! But you are comparing a list of 1660 to a list of 660. Almost 3X the size of the lts list. I dont see them taking a chance with not having a list prepared and all of ondeairs info has been spot on with what i am hearing with regards to the instructors in BMOC and the academic schools. It doesnt mean there will be 2014 test, but if i was a betting man i would certainly say as of right now theres a strong possibility of one.
First off, the Oct 2011 Lt exam started promoting in June 2012 (Keep in mind Lt's get promoted day 1, not after the end of BMOC). The list is up to around 274 with only like a dozen or so passovers. It seems likely that the list might be around halfway done by years end.
So lets say all of you guys really think there will be a Spring 2014 Lt exam, that would leave still a few hundred yet to get made and the list not expiring for another 2+ years? I think everyone will get made in under 4 years, it will probably take about 3 years. So lets say it takes 3 years and the list is exhausted around June 2015, wouldn't it make more sense for a late 2014 or early 2015 exam?
Hey.. Lt paTROLguide... DO u have access to the amout of sgts retiering in the near future? .... If so, please contribute and stop trying to hate on different opinion.
Wow some of you guys are dense. Simple math, expect Lt list to be exhausted in about 3 years, thats about summer 2015. So a new exam? Figure late 2014, early 2015. Not difficult to comprehend, unless you post on these forums.
Spring 2014 seems a little early and there is no evidence of it. Also shouldn't they announce a Lt exam any second now if the Spring exam was even remotely true? Shocked some of you guys are cops.
My feeling is they will announce the test within a few weeks after the Sgt test. Got a letter from Yanosik saying there MAY be an LT test in April 2014 and to email him for a digital copy of the patrol guide at the command today.
