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fedup · Senior Member

this list is not getting cut Please stop

63ASAP · Guru

I agree with you about the rumors, but ondeeair is not a troll nor a rumor spreader. He makes it clear he is just passing along info third-party info that may or or may not prove to be accurate. That being said, his info has been right on the money on numerous occasions. He isn't the one on here we need to worry about.

ondeeair2321 · Guru

i am not saying the list will be cut. i am just saying that the powers that be at 1pp who have direct control on this are stating they plan to establish the list of this new sgt exam in 2014. take it for what its worth. jeez. u really cant say anything on here.

EDAYKING · Senior Member

Why they keep saying that?

spartan85 · Senior Member

I don't need any sources to tell me that a new sgt list will come out in 2014... I know it will come out because of a 2013 sgts test being given. The department has had two lists before and they finished both lists. 08 and 09 exam as a reference. 09 list was out for 1 entire year before they started to promote from it.

I don't need a source to tell me that a lt test is slated for mid to late 2014. I know this because they have a small lt list... I don't really care for information regarding drafts. Everyone knows before a draft comes down. There is a bunch of chatter about it everywhere.

I don't need a source to "guess" the list will hit a certain number by the end of the year. I can "guess" things on my own. (And I was right)

If your source can't tell me when the next class is going in then your source is useless.... I'm not directing this at anyone specific.

P.S I still have not heard from any! High ranking associate of mine that this list might get cut! In fact they stated its too early to even discuss such a thing. If you want to speculate wether or not this list gets cut then wait until early 2014 and let's see how far this test goes...you might all change your tune by then...

So when is the next class going in ??? Anyone??

queensfinest · Senior Member

spartan85 wrote:
I don't need any sources to tell me that a new sgt list will come out in 2014... I know it will come out because of a 2013 sgts test being given. The department has had two lists before and they finished both lists. 08 and 09 exam as a reference. 09 list was out for 1 entire year before they started to promote from it.

I don't need a source to tell me that a lt test is slated for mid to late 2014. I know this because they have a small lt list... I don't really care for information regarding drafts. Everyone knows before a draft comes down. There is a bunch of chatter about it everywhere.

I don't need a source to "guess" the list will hit a certain number by the end of the year. I can "guess" things on my own. (And I was right)

If your source can't tell me when the next class is going in then your source is useless.... I'm not directing this at anyone specific.

P.S I still have not heard from any! High ranking associate of mine that this list might get cut! In fact they stated its too early to even discuss such a thing. If you want to speculate wether or not this list gets cut then wait until early 2014 and let's see how far this test goes...you might all change your tune by then...

So when is the next class going in ??? Anyone??

WELL PUT SPARTAN BRAVO.NOW LETS TALK ABOUT WHENS THE NEXT CLASS

ondeeair2321 · Guru

sorry u get so upset by the info. i l keep it to myself

Su Madre 24 · Guru

I don't understand why people bitch and moan when a guy who has been reliable posts info.

sgt2be · Guru

Su Madre 24 wrote:
I don't understand why people bitch and moan when a guy who has been reliable posts info.

B/C ppl on here are such babies....wahhh! Ppl want to hear what they want to hear and if anyone contradicts them, then they start crying how all their bosses say it will never happen.

Su Madre 24 · Guru

I agree sgt2be. I sure as hell don't want the list to die but you always have to prepare the worst.

sgt2be · Guru

Su Madre 24 wrote:
I agree sgt2be. I sure as hell don't want the list to die but you always have to prepare the worst.

i know....NO one knows if the list will be cut right now! Not your boss....not mine! Its simply a POSSIBILITY! But according to the poster of this thread, his bosses must be in the know unlike mine.

ondeeair2321 · Guru

i agree. no one knows. just passing along. i wont post another thread.

63ASAP · Guru

No, please do. Ignore the haters. Most of us appreciate your input.

sgt2be · Guru

the Fat Kid wrote:
All i want to know is if my number is 1085-1090, how safe am i? More likely to be made or not? I'm asking because i wonder if i should take the test again.

no one knows man. Its impossible at this point. You can only take guesses and use the past as a guide. My opinion is youre safe. But, does it really hurt to take the test again? Yes money and time wise! But, is that money and time worth the chance you wont get promoted if the list is ever cut? That my friend is only a question you can answer.

-- Edited by sgt2be on Wednesday 13th of February 2013 07:16:09 PM

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

So the thread is about the possibility of the list being cut, but we shouldn't even discuss it, but only post about the next class of 40-70 people while 1200 wait to get promoted? Its true, there is no new concrete information, but I think many can benefit by looking at the numbers that have been crunched on these boards regarding promotion rates, time frame for the 2013 list establishment, and precedents set from older exam lists.

sgt2be · Guru

PatrolGuideismyBible wrote:
So the thread is about the possibility of the list being cut, but we shouldn't even discuss it, but only post about the next class of 40-70 people while 1200 wait to get promoted? Its true, there is no new concrete information, but I think many can benefit by looking at the numbers that have been crunched on these boards regarding promotion rates, time frame for the 2013 list establishment, and precedents set from older exam lists.

bro dont even bother....because the list CANT get cut! Its obviously not possible because this guys bosses said so. Even though BMOC said its a possibility, and others with more knowledge. This is what is so pathetic about this job, ppl just hear what they want to hear. I have no concrete info on anything, but i guarantee if this list ever does get cut, youll have atleast one person on here moaning how its not fair and he wasnt prepared for it. Ofcourse if the list doesnt get cut, youll have all the idiots on here saying how they were right. You fools, no one said anything will happen, they only try to prepare you so you can help yourself.

the Fat Kid · Veteran Member

All i want to know is if my number is 1085-1090, how safe am i? More likely to be made or not? I'm asking because i wonder if i should take the test again.

Doggieloverwoof · Guru

the Fat Kid wrote:
All i want to know is if my number is 1085-1090, how safe am i? More likely to be made or not? I'm asking because i wonder if i should take the test again.

No one knows what's gonna happen. This whole thread is useless speculation. However, if I were you, I would take it again. Better safe than sorry.

the Fat Kid · Veteran Member

Yea no one really knows. Everyone is just taking a reasonable guess. I wouldn't get mad at anyone for saying what ever. Just wanted to bullsh*t about it with you guys cause i'm too anxious for it lol. Thanks sgt2be & doggieman

ChargesandSpecs · Veteran Member

That's the problem. The uncertainty. It's frustrating but let's face it this is the NYPD. Where common sense and logic don't exist which makes it all the more frustrating. I'm at the end of the list and I'm preparing as if I didn't make the list to get myself motivated to study again...sigh. But it's the only way to make sure you have a chance.

spartan85 · Senior Member

BMOC doesn't know when the next class is going in or how many people will be going in until the last minute. Yet people seriously post that bmoc instructors have stated the list will be cut.... Bullshiat...

You are all doing this crazy math to prove the list will be cut....your math is way off. Compiling all the classes over the past four years just proves the list can get made easily. Also we have had co- existing lists.... Just because a new list comes out does not mean they terminate the old one......so I conclude your math is bullshiat and the evidence clearly points to the list not getting cut when using the past as a guideline. But it doesn't mean history repeats itself I know....

Ondeeair has not always been on point. He stated no sgts exam for 2013...yet here we are gearing up for one. So I'm going with his source doesn't have a crystal ball but rather can foresee only the short immediate future.

I don't know if the list will be cut or not. It's to early to tell. So you trolls need to stop with all your stupid numbers of 900 1100 or 1200. They don't Make any sense. There is no rhyme or reason. You have no convincing argument. We really won't know what will happen in the future so far ahead...the past shows a promising end for the list not the other way around.

Take the next sgt exam if your so worried. Nothing of what you decide to do will impact me or my life.... I don't claim to know ****...which is what the rest of you know regarding the future of this list. Some of you with good sources can help by telling me when The next class is going in...

So when's the next class going in???? Anyone one of you psychics know the answer to that ???

6WIRE · Veteran Member

Wth regards to the list getting cut... There are 2 facts that are certain since establishing a passing grade a list have never been cut and also a list has never been cut. Many of you have been comparing previous promotion rates to determine the outcomeof this list but i dont think that applies now because cause the job has never needed as many sgts as they need now and expecting more retirements. (Personally i know my unit needs another 2-3 sgts and the other sgts have signed 57s waiting to leave till others come.) i have no personnal inside info but im hearing that the only reason their coming out with another exam is because they expect to go through this list pretty fast. I also heard BMOC is not saying this list is getting cut but infact they expect to hit list# 1000 by the end of the year. That means they have another 4 months before the list is even established. Just because they have a new list doesnt mean they stop hiring off the old list. Infact this is the first list i can remember where there was no overlap. They do that just incase there is a problem with the new list and it takes longer. You are also forgetting who we work for. To cut the list that means someone is going to have to make the desicion and everyone knows that nobody can make a desicion on this job. Hooefully this calms alot of ppl down. If not just take the next one

6WIRE · Veteran Member

Sorry the 2nd fact is that a list has never been over 1000 since establishing a passing grade

6WIRE · Veteran Member

I also dont understand how ppl are saying that the list is def getting cut when they have no idea what the '13 list is even going to look like. If this list was the traditional 800 names then they would have had to given another exam 6 months ago. I think the job wanted a long list. Ultimately the desicion to cut the list going to come from whoever our new commissioner is.

sgt2be · Guru

6WIRE wrote:
I also dont understand how ppl are saying that the list is def getting cut when they have no idea what the '13 list is even going to look like. If this list was the traditional 800 names then they would have had to given another exam 6 months ago. I think the job wanted a long list. Ultimately the desicion to cut the list going to come from whoever our new commissioner is.

My man, no one on here whos not a troll said the list is DEF getting cut! The only thing ppl have said its a POSSIBILITY.

EDAYKING · Senior Member

Don't worry people, the list won't get cut, well I hope not.

queensfinest · Senior Member

Yea stay calm and carry on."signing out goodnight central"

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

No one on here that has not been banned for being a troll has ever claimed they knew for a fact the list was getting cut, only that it might happen based on historical information of large lists and promotion rates and the fact there is another exam being given this year.

This list is nearly a year old and has promoted what, like 443 people? BTW, BMOC is usually 4-5 weeks, so at best they break 500+ by April with one more class possible in its first year? That promotion rate would be perfectly fine and everyone would easily get made IF this list stayed active for the full 4 years, BUT with another exam so soon, my concern is that a new list will be established early killing this list.

Once again, never said I knew for a fact, but a strong possibility does exist whether some on this board want to acknowledge this or not, its their careers...

Semp1 · Guru

The Sgt list was established in April but not active until May 1. The LT's list one month later. Both lists in comparison are moving at the same pace. The LT list is going to do about 200 its first year tops. Still has over 450 to go. At the rate the sgts list is going it would be done in about 2 more years. Which is a total of 3 active years. The new list would only be on hold 1 year max. This has been done before and I believe is currently happening with the new captains list. Regardless take the new test just to give your self piece of mind. Other wise don't worry about it.

-- Edited by Semp1 on Monday 18th of February 2013 07:57:43 PM

6WIRE · Veteran Member

I believe this list only became active in june so realistically they could b at list# 700 by june and therefore possibily 1400 by june 2014.

Doggieloverwoof · Guru

6WIRE wrote:
I believe this list only became active in june so realistically they could b at list# 700 by june and therefore possibily 1400 by june 2014.

It became active in May.

Wheresthelist · Guru

It became active mid to late april. The first class was in may

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

I think the Lt list was activated in June/July, the Sgt's list was active in April. BMOC is roughly 5 weeks, so the first year ends either with 443 promotions to Sgt or possibly around 500 if they put in one more class in the next few weeks. Doing that math, its a good rate of promotion if the list last for 4 full years, it would be great in everyone getting made. But with an Oct exam announced, you have to be ready for a screwjob of a list getting cut short well before the 4 years are up...

EDAYKING · Senior Member

Wow, they are still talking about this subject, they are just renaming the forum. LoL

-- Edited by EDAYKING on Tuesday 26th of February 2013 05:37:31 AM

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

Just to update this thread, IF 75 are going in on June 3rd, that means 597 people would be promoted by July. The list is 1663 names long, so after July's promotions, 1066 are still awaiting promotion with an exam in October and a potential new list looming possibly as early as spring next year?

No new facts and I am not spreading rumors, but 1066 more promotions seems like a lot, I am standing by my old theory that this list has a really good chance of getting cut...

bklyn13 · Senior Member

hey patrolguide.. could u povide us with a range of what could possibly be the cutting list#?.....

U seem to really be into statistics, I would appreciate ur feedback.

Thanks.

Windeast · Senior Member

According to chief Banks, the list has been cut at around the 1250 mark. I am only relaying this info as I hear it. Do I trust him or know how or where he gets this info? No. However, that's what I've heard.

Cfgl1888 · Senior Member

Don't feed the troll.

bklyn13 · Senior Member

ok.

bigfoot45 · Guru

Looks like simplysgt and rogain are trying to come back.

OffTrack · Member

Windeast wrote:
According to chief Banks, the list has been cut at around the 1250 mark. I am only relaying this info as I hear it. Do I trust him or know how or where he gets this info? No. However, that's what I've heard.

i heard the same thing. list will be cut around 12** .

whatsinthebox · Veteran Member

U trolls are all losers, you are the reason this job sucks cuz people like you are on it

scheduleB_magnet · Guru

The TROLLS ARE BAAAAAAAAAACK!

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

bklyn13 wrote:
hey patrolguide.. could u povide us with a range of what could possibly be the cutting list#?.....
U seem to really be into statistics, I would appreciate ur feedback.
Thanks.

I like everyone else have no idea what they will do this time, so I am not going to come on here and spread false information. All I am saying is 1000+ people is a really long way to go and I dunno how long they will hold up the 2013 list in favor of keeping the current one around?

Maybe they promote everyone, but if they do, based on how many have been promoted so far at this rate, it would take a really long time then to get to the 2013 list... the more logical conclusion is unless promotion rates speed up a lot, people will die on this list...

spartan85 · Senior Member

Why is it every time this conversation starts up again it is someone with no posts and a new screen name?

DONT FEED THE TROLLS! You guys should be writing a summons or making a collar instead of posting on this site. Now go get your quest for excellence and show me what you did this week :P

Now I got to get back to work. thx.
PS. Congrats to everyone going in the June class! Have fun make friends! :P

Wanabmade · Senior Member

In your opinion, what list number would you start to sweat hahaha

whatsinthebox · Veteran Member

People dying on the list is different from the list getting cut. The people saying the list is gonna get cut next yr in favor of a new list is just wrong. The law says the list has to be active for 4 years and they started hiring off our list in may2012. So they have until may 2016 to get through the list. Sgts lists in the early 2000s were 1600 plus look it up, my lt was on a 1600 plus list in 2000. Guys on the end of the list have a right to be worried but not cuz they are gonna cut the list next yr u only have to worry about them need 1000 sgts in the next 3 yrs which they absolutely will or they wouldnt be putting a new test out already. windeast go f*** yourself.......

OffTrack · Member

You guys are cops?!!? This is how yoj conduct yourzelf?! And you want to be sgts?! Omg! This city is in big trouble. Good luck NYC...

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

whatsinthebox wrote:
People dying on the list is different from the list getting cut. The people saying the list is gonna get cut next yr in favor of a new list is just wrong. The law says the list has to be active for 4 years and they started hiring off our list in may2012. So they have until may 2016 to get through the list. Sgts lists in the early 2000s were 1600 plus look it up, my lt was on a 1600 plus list in 2000. Guys on the end of the list have a right to be worried but not cuz they are gonna cut the list next yr u only have to worry about them need 1000 sgts in the next 3 yrs which they absolutely will or they wouldnt be putting a new test out already. windeast go f*** yourself.......

Those lists from the early 2000's were cut well short of 4 years. The last one that was cut, the December 2003 Sgt's exam didn't establish a list until early 2005 and was cut in the 1100+ mark in October 2006. Sorry, thats a fact. The 4 year rule is just for when a list expires, it doesn't mean people MUST be promoted off of it for 4 full years. In theory the December 2003 exam with an established list in early 2005 would have "expired" in early 2009, but by then the 2006, 2007, and even 2008 exam lists were already established with the 2006 and 2007 exam lists being exhausted.

brat4914 · Guru