RISING STAR ! The ultimate source to ace your NYPD Sergeant, Lieutenant, and Captain Exam Visit www.RisingStarPromotion.com to subscribe to our mailing list and get info on the next Sgt, Lt. or Captain Exam!

NeedOutOfNarcotics · Veteran Member

What did you protest?

TrYAGaiN · Veteran Member

What was 23 and 25?

technocrat · Veteran Member

First off, Great Job! I'm going friday and was trying to type up my protests. Do you remember what the question #s were related to since you just read them. I think your thread could be used to assist the rest of us going on the other days. Whatever info you can convey would be helpfull. Thanks

wereinbacklog · Guru

4 (mobilization point)
10 ( Eday giving to williamson but yet his the officer sent to the hospital on question 13)
15( conditions team 2 supervisor question)
40 (vehicle accident on bridge)
47 (dept vehicle accident tested co duties)
52( proper attire tattoo choice is incorrect)
63( pins question)

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

I protested 4, 34, 45, 63, 64, 89, 100. Seven questions total for me.

4- moblization on the in basket involved using a map, could not figure out why D was a better answer than C and there is no one there to discuss this with, you know, the losers that wrote this god awful exam! Weak protest I know, but I looked at everything, each city block was 750 feet, both C and D were close enough to the incident with C being closer and both were a safe distance from a chemical leak dispersed into the air from a truck with it being upwind. I wanted a double answer since C is the most correct in being closer than D.

34- Operation Safe Store- yes, they actually tested this obscure procedure. I could be grasping at straws but I was appealing for a double answer again. They wanted the least correct statement and I believe the correct answer was notify the duty captain as the Patrol Supervisor (looking for bad statement in this one). I chose A, which was PS prepares a typed letterhead and give a copy to OMAP. Now in 212 IO with Operation Safe Store, they got me since A would be a good statement making it a wrong answer, but I protested the fact that they never locked you into 212 IO Operation Safe Store and there is a conflict with 212-9 Unusual Occurence where the DO, not the PS does the 49 and OMAP is not listed as getting a copy anywhere in that procedure. They never lock you into either procedure in 212 and there is a conflict, so thats what I am appealing for, a double answer as A or B.

45- 215 question involving a child removal. They wanted the "least correct" statement. Proposed answer key says A, I say B. A was PO notifies IRT, which has two exceptions which are vague in the body of the question. B has the PO notifying the central registry which is the least correct since the DO is supposed to do it. B is better than A, IMO, but A is the answer? In both statements they have the PO notifying these units/agencies where it should be the DO, choice A has exceptions where a PO could do it though, so no way choice A is better than B. How is one "least correct" to another when both are incorrect for the exact same reason, the DO makes the notifications?

63- everyone and I mean everyone should write this one up. PINS question. They tell you in the body of the story that all 4 choices are PINS cases, so there is no interpretation whatsoever in any of the choices not being under a PINS scenario. All four choices have 16 year old children and they want to know which would NOT get an Arrest Report Supplement. All 4 would get one since there is a statement in the procedure that says all 16 and 17 year old PINS get an ARS which is located in the middle of a list of things involving kids under 16 that is not related. The exam writers read the procedure wrong and wrote a factually wrong question with 4 choices that don't fit.

64- Missing person question. They said the correct answer was A which had a Sgt So and So telling his PO's that a roommate cannot file a missing report. In the missing procedure it has a list of 4 that can file the report, member of the family, guardian, school administrator, etc. I am submitting that "member of the family" is not defined in missings, but in family offenses it is spelled out in a bit more detail. According to the newly revised family court act, an "intimate relationship" would include just about anyone living together in a family like relationship, or share expenses, or spend time together, and do not have to have any sexual relationship? Would a roommate not fir into a "member of the family" then? Also the answer I picked "C" was that the DO will check precinct records and notifiy PDU. The DO would do those things and based on the fact pattern they do not designate the DO Pct of occurrence and DO Pct of residence as two different actors, so that one DO could do both in that fact pattern, so it is a correct statement. I want a double answer A or C, since both go for vagueness and neither are factually wrong, but can be interpreted.

89- E day question for sick kid. Right answer was give the eday, but there is a finest message saying its prohibited for the next 6 tours, no excusals. I chose and appealed to inquiring if the officer could call another family member to care for the child. In that choice you neither approve or deny the eday, you are looking to solve the problem. I also submitted a copy of 203-3 compliance with orders with my protest in the granting the eday is wrong based on procedure. I picked B, proposed answer key is C. I want a double answer.

100- the one with a project from the mayor's office that was "due yesterday" and involves "sensitive information". The correct choice was to authorize OT for your subordinates which based on 205-17 overtime, no one below the ranks of PC, 1st Dep, or COD has the authority to do. I submitted a copy of the procedure with my written protest. Throwout since the correct answer is blatantly a violation of PG rules.

So a quick breakdown, I want 6 doubles and 1 throwout. Good luck everyone...

okeedokee · Veteran Member

I protested PINS, the stupid MV104S question, question 100, and the visit of a 21 yo being processed for a DAT.

Gripes4Stripes · Veteran Member

We have to make copies of the procedures to give to them?? Do they have copy machines we can use or do we have to preprint this? I dont know what questions I got wrong and the corresponding question numbers, am I supposed to make a copy of the entire PG to have and give to them? Or is citing the source good enough you think?

wereinbacklog · Guru

Gripes4Stripes wrote:
We have to make copies of the procedures to give to them?? Do they have copy machines we can use or do we have to preprint this? I dont know what questions I got wrong and the corresponding question numbers, am I supposed to make a copy of the entire PG to have and give to them? Or is citing the source good enough you think?

No need to make copies of PG. Just bring it with you so you can reference it on your protest sheet.

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

They make copies for you, you just bring in your PG and remove the page as proof and they go and make copies and return your page to you.

NextLtTest · Senior Member

@patrolguide...... May your protest be successful I got 5 out of those 7 wrong too. Your reasoning seems good.

PatrolGuideismyBible · Guru

Thanx, hope I wrote them up better than my post. I wasn't using Standard Proper English... ;p

NYG37 · Senior Member

Protested 5,15,26,40,45,47,52,63,64,88,93,100

18and1 · Senior Member

What was 88?

8-32 Sgt · Member

#2 - Lt for SOL. answer they gave was previously SOL at same command - it would have a negative impact upon the motivation of subordinates - double answer

#29 - accident victim with broken hand - answer 'forces' victim to make a complaint report at pct of occ, PG is not clear on whether vic is referred to pct of occurrence even if reporting date does not fall within the specified time when a PAR can be done. double answer

#40 - vehicle accident on bridge - throw away - question does not state that the placard was not displayed. the fact that the vehicle has a placard implies that it was been displayed.

#47 - dept veh accident - tested CO's duties throw away

#63 - PINS - throw away

#64 - Missing - no correct answer - throw away

#93 - same penalty for same offense but different individuals with hughly different work performance and histories of violations - double answer

#100 - "giving overtime" if necessary without proper authorization = serious misconduct - double answer

NYG37 · Senior Member

88 was the question where the Sgt is not happy with his evaluation. Best answer was to explain him what he needs to work on to improve.

collarsfordollars · Senior Member

How did you protest question #93?

18and1 · Senior Member

NYG37 wrote:
88 was the question where the Sgt is not happy with his evaluation. Best answer was to explain him what he needs to work on to improve.

What did u write as ur protest?

NYG37 · Senior Member

I don't think I made a good argument. I chose choice A as the answer. I believe A Was to follow chain of command and not to run to c.o office. I stated something along the lines that NYPD is a paramilitary organization and that the chain of command needs to be followed. appropriate steps should be taken to appeal evaluation. Won't do me any good as I'm sure I didn't have a good argument there. I should have referred back to 205 evals but didn't. if ill come up with something better ill mail it in. If you're gonna go to the protest session its best to try to remember questions you want to appeal and then go home.and formulate you're answers and mail it in. as there's no pressure to come up with a good protest.

Gripes4Stripes · Veteran Member

NYG37 wrote:
I don't think I made a good argument. I chose choice A as the answer. I believe A Was to follow chain of command and not to run to c.o office. I stated something along the lines that NYPD is a paramilitary organization and that the chain of command needs to be followed. appropriate steps should be taken to appeal evaluation. Won't do me any good as I'm sure I didn't have a good argument there. I should have referred back to 205 evals but didn't. if ill come up with something better ill mail it in. If you're gonna go to the protest session its best to try to remember questions you want to appeal and then go home.and formulate you're answers and mail it in. as there's no pressure to come up with a good protest.

so does this mean you can protest at the site and then also go home and send in a better argument if you come up with one later on- and they'll take both arguments into consideration? or do they null one of your arguments based on the fact that you already submitted the other?

notmakingit · Veteran Member

Sorry for the delay. Just getting to a computer now. Protested 13, 47, 52, 57, 61, 71, and 89. The subjective opinion questions are very hard to argue in that while dcas can't prove their answer is more correct than yours, you in turn will have a hard time articulating why your answer is more correct than theirs. It is possible but I can't see them going overboard with admitting how badly they screwed up this test.
Question 13 is most likely a throwout or double. It had PO Williamson as the relief at the hospital. The proposed Key had Williamson as the correct answer for an Eday in question 10. The heading for the start of the test says to answer questions 1-17 IN ORDER, therefore making Williamson no longer an option for the Hospital Post because you gave him Eday in question #10. One of the other cops was limited leaving you with 2 po's both with traffic court as your options. Of those 2 POs, 1 was supposed to be in a sector with Williamson prior to the Eday being granted. I don't see how they can say either of the 2 cops at AAB are not the correct choice. My guess is Throwout because they can't take Williamson off the proposed key as correct and it isn't possible he is the correct answer as stated in proposed key.
Question 47: Dept vehicle accident. They asked for Patrol Sup duties. 3 of the choices had some sort of finding of fault or recommending of training. The last choice was no fault and no further action. I argued it as Captain or above duties outside scope of the position we were testing for.
Question 52 was Tattoo Guy vs. Hair Clip Girl. Should be double answer. The other 2 po's were clearly out of uniform.
Question 71 was the Math question about the most productive squad. The argument I made was based on the dictionary definition of Productive vs. the dictionary definition of Productivity. Productive in the dictionary mentions nothing about efficiency, Productivity does which is clearly what the test writers had in mind when including the amount of cops per squad and tours on patrol. I made the argument they only asked for most productive which would be the squad that produced the most.
Question 89 was the EDay question. Made the argument that by asking if the officer requesting had family to take sick kid to the hospital was not denying him the day but rather trying to problem solve between finding the solution to not disregarding the finest msg saying no excusals and getting the kid medical treatment. I also went on to say if the PO was unable to find family to take kid the EDay could have been given, essentially going through a process before just giving the shop away and granting days off. This argument could be made for any of the choices such as had you consulted the next platoon boss or asked other boss for advice etc. Hard question to argue as were most of the opinion questions.
Question 57 or 61 was the duties of the ICO in regards to AAB appearances. The question asked "all of the following MAY be duties of the ICO except....." I made the argument that the answer choices were not MAY be duties, but rather MUST be duties except of course the one they had as originally the exception. Grasping at straws I know, but worth a shot. Not sure what number it was either 57 or 61. When I remember I will post. And will Post the other I protested if it comes back to me.
The 311 question may be protestable on the grounds that the Garbage piling up in front of the elderly ladies house is a safety concern and maybe not just a referral to 311. I didn't protest it due to time constraints. Think it was #23 or #25. Other protests made at the session that I am aware of were PINS, Aided at nursing home, Voucher, and a few others that are slipping my mind. Not sure how strong the arguments were, but there were some sharp people in there who actually passed this mess making the case for a lot of these questions. Sorry for the misspellings and terrible grammar.

NYG37 · Senior Member

311 the garbage is not protestable in my opinion. p.g states you direct th to call 311 immediately not the agency conceded. I lost that point.

NYG37 · Senior Member

P.g I've also made the same argument for 45.

RISING IDIOT · Senior Member

PatrolGuideismyBible wrote:
I protested 4, 34, 45, 63, 64, 89, 100. Seven questions total for me.

4- moblization on the in basket involved using a map, could not figure out why D was a better answer than C and there is no one there to discuss this with, you know, the losers that wrote this god awful exam! Weak protest I know, but I looked at everything, each city block was 750 feet, both C and D were close enough to the incident with C being closer and both were a safe distance from a chemical leak dispersed into the air from a truck with it being upwind. I wanted a double answer since C is the most correct in being closer than D.

34- Operation Safe Store- yes, they actually tested this obscure procedure. I could be grasping at straws but I was appealing for a double answer again. They wanted the least correct statement and I believe the correct answer was notify the duty captain as the Patrol Supervisor (looking for bad statement in this one). I chose A, which was PS prepares a typed letterhead and give a copy to OMAP. Now in 212 IO with Operation Safe Store, they got me since A would be a good statement making it a wrong answer, but I protested the fact that they never locked you into 212 IO Operation Safe Store and there is a conflict with 212-9 Unusual Occurence where the DO, not the PS does the 49 and OMAP is not listed as getting a copy anywhere in that procedure. They never lock you into either procedure in 212 and there is a conflict, so thats what I am appealing for, a double answer as A or B.

45- 215 question involving a child removal. They wanted the "least correct" statement. Proposed answer key says A, I say B. A was PO notifies IRT, which has two exceptions which are vague in the body of the question. B has the PO notifying the central registry which is the least correct since the DO is supposed to do it. B is better than A, IMO, but A is the answer? In both statements they have the PO notifying these units/agencies where it should be the DO, choice A has exceptions where a PO could do it though, so no way choice A is better than B. How is one "least correct" to another when both are incorrect for the exact same reason, the DO makes the notifications?

63- everyone and I mean everyone should write this one up. PINS question. They tell you in the body of the story that all 4 choices are PINS cases, so there is no interpretation whatsoever in any of the choices not being under a PINS scenario. All four choices have 16 year old children and they want to know which would NOT get an Arrest Report Supplement. All 4 would get one since there is a statement in the procedure that says all 16 and 17 year old PINS get an ARS which is located in the middle of a list of things involving kids under 16 that is not related. The exam writers read the procedure wrong and wrote a factually wrong question with 4 choices that don't fit.

64- Missing person question. They said the correct answer was A which had a Sgt So and So telling his PO's that a roommate cannot file a missing report. In the missing procedure it has a list of 4 that can file the report, member of the family, guardian, school administrator, etc. I am submitting that "member of the family" is not defined in missings, but in family offenses it is spelled out in a bit more detail. According to the newly revised family court act, an "intimate relationship" would include just about anyone living together in a family like relationship, or share expenses, or spend time together, and do not have to have any sexual relationship? Would a roommate not fir into a "member of the family" then? Also the answer I picked "C" was that the DO will check precinct records and notifiy PDU. The DO would do those things and based on the fact pattern they do not designate the DO Pct of occurrence and DO Pct of residence as two different actors, so that one DO could do both in that fact pattern, so it is a correct statement. I want a double answer A or C, since both go for vagueness and neither are factually wrong, but can be interpreted.

89- E day question for sick kid. Right answer was give the eday, but there is a finest message saying its prohibited for the next 6 tours, no excusals. I chose and appealed to inquiring if the officer could call another family member to care for the child. In that choice you neither approve or deny the eday, you are looking to solve the problem. I also submitted a copy of 203-3 compliance with orders with my protest in the granting the eday is wrong based on procedure. I picked B, proposed answer key is C. I want a double answer.

100- the one with a project from the mayor's office that was "due yesterday" and involves "sensitive information". The correct choice was to authorize OT for your subordinates which based on 205-17 overtime, no one below the ranks of PC, 1st Dep, or COD has the authority to do. I submitted a copy of the procedure with my written protest. Throwout since the correct answer is blatantly a violation of PG rules.

So a quick breakdown, I want 6 doubles and 1 throwout. Good luck everyone...

I haven't gone to the protest yet but I agree with your answer on this one and I will join you in this protest. The D.O. ntfs the central registry and makes a telephone record if they refuse the case. So, B (having the P.O. do a DO duty) is definitely a bad answer (which they were looking for). Should be at least a double

notmakingit · Veteran Member

Question #61 was the temp removal of property from the command. I argued essentially for a triple answer. The Question asked which of the following do you do Except.... 2 of the choices were to document the return of the property on rear of invoice or in property receipt book. the other exception was the correct choice as per the proposed key which I think was staple the receipt in the property book. I argued that, in the scenario presented, the Desk Officer could not document the RETURN of the property on either the rear of PCI or in the property receipt book because the property was not returned but rather retained by the court, making the options of documenting the Return anywhere as bad options. The question was looking for the bad option and there were 3, A C an D I think. I think I argued it properly but if someone else needs #61 this one is ripe for an argument.

Gripes4Stripes · Veteran Member

notmakingit wrote:
Question #61 was the temp removal of property from the command. I argued essentially for a triple answer. The Question asked which of the following do you do Except.... 2 of the choices were to document the return of the property on rear of invoice or in property receipt book. the other exception was the correct choice as per the proposed key which I think was staple the receipt in the property book. I argued that, in the scenario presented, the Desk Officer could not document the RETURN of the property on either the rear of PCI or in the property receipt book because the property was not returned but rather retained by the court, making the options of documenting the Return anywhere as bad options. The question was looking for the bad option and there were 3, A C an D I think. I think I argued it properly but if someone else needs #61 this one is ripe for an argument.

thanks i needed that. all my projected protests are being shot down~ hmm

oneadditional · Guru

How did I get # 61 wrong ? I chose C and I just knew I had that one in the bag. I thought that was one of the easy one's but once again there was a loop hole.

-- Edited by oneadditional on Thursday 1st of December 2011 01:48:17 AM

Gripes4Stripes · Veteran Member

oneadditional wrote:
How did I get # 61 wrong ? I chose C and I just knew I had that one in the bag. I thought that was one of the easy one's but once again there was a loop hole.

-- Edited by oneadditional on Thursday 1st of December 2011 01:48:17 AM

same here.

oneadditional · Guru

Nice argument. I needed that one

unborn · Guru

10/13: The e-day for Williamson
23: Removing guns from crazy sgt - ranking officer is a Capt +, not a Lt.
26: Aided - no ACR# to put in your book, but this one is a long shot
40: Hoping for a double-answer for truck accident
45: Abused kid - it's not the cops job to notify SCR
52: Tattoo boy
58: Pregnancy question - double answer... the line that a pregnant UMOS doesn't have to wear uniform before the 20th week is found nowhere in the procedure, so that should be a correct anser

Gripes4Stripes · Veteran Member

unborn wrote:
10/13: The e-day for Williamson
23: Removing guns from crazy sgt - ranking officer is a Capt +, not a Lt.
26: Aided - no ACR# to put in your book, but this one is a long shot
40: Hoping for a double-answer for truck accident
45: Abused kid - it's not the cops job to notify SCR
52: Tattoo boy
58: Pregnancy question - double answer... the line that a pregnant UMOS doesn't have to wear uniform before the 20th week is found nowhere in the procedure, so that should be a correct anser

you wouldn't happen to remember what the choices were for any of these, would you?

notmakingit · Veteran Member

question 10 should not be affected by the problem with question 13 because the directions of the test had you answer 1 thru 17 in order.
question 23 is hard to fight b/c the wording in the patrol guide is capt or above, district surgeon, or other competent authority. The PG doesn't define competent authority, making it possible for Lt to remove guns, so the tricky test writers sand-bagged us with that one.
question 45 is also hard to argue once you actually look at the question and answer choices and compare to the PG procedure. We tried today to argue it and it is a very long shot.
Not trying to get anyone down, but alot of these questions are difficult to prove as wrong or doubles.

NeedOutOfNarcotics · Veteran Member

Question 88, it was not the Sgt who was unhappy with his evaluation, the Sgt brought it to your attention, as the Lt, that the PO was unhappy. Isn't the PO the ratee, the Sgt the eater and the Lt (you) the reviewer? Therefore, it is YOUR job to adjudicate things like this?

Gripes4Stripes · Veteran Member

RISING IDIOT wrote:
PatrolGuideismyBible wrote:
I protested 4, 34, 45, 63, 64, 89, 100. Seven questions total for me.

34- Operation Safe Store- yes, they actually tested this obscure procedure. I could be grasping at straws but I was appealing for a double answer again. They wanted the least correct statement and I believe the correct answer was notify the duty captain as the Patrol Supervisor (looking for bad statement in this one). I chose A, which was PS prepares a typed letterhead and give a copy to OMAP. Now in 212 IO with Operation Safe Store, they got me since A would be a good statement making it a wrong answer, but I protested the fact that they never locked you into 212 IO Operation Safe Store and there is a conflict with 212-9 Unusual Occurence where the DO, not the PS does the 49 and OMAP is not listed as getting a copy anywhere in that procedure. They never lock you into either procedure in 212 and there is a conflict, so thats what I am appealing for, a double answer as A or B.

I think that the PS is supposed to notify the DETECTIVE BUREAU DUTY CAPT...but all these negatives are confusing (correct/incorrect)

Gripes4Stripes · Veteran Member

311:
Note after step 4:

QOL calls received at the TS will be recorded in the Tel.Dispatch Log and the DO will assign an available unit to respond. IN ADDITION, the caller will be advised to call 311 directly to report any future QOL complaints.
If a call is received at the TS which requires a referral to another city agency, the caller will be directed to call 311 immediately.

Does anyone remember the stem of the question and/or what number that was??

notmakingit · Veteran Member

It was either 23 or 25. I wanted to protest it but couldn't come up with an argument. The answer choice had the t/s cop assigning sector which is desk officer duty. I picked to send sector car and put in telephone dispatch. Wrong. The question was straight forward, elderly lady calls complaining that the garbage in front of her house was piling up. It locked you into the 214 section that deals with these complaints. Straight forward question that the test takers played on your compassion to take care of an elderly lady and not just tell her to call 311. The only way to fight it would be to argue the garbage piling up was not just a problem for sanitation but rather a possible safety issue that needs the attention of a sector car to make the determination as to wether or not it is actually a safety issue. Long shot. If you have time in your protest session take a look and see what you can come up with.

JimmyC · Member

I dont remember a damn thing about the test, so i really have no biz asking a question. But regarding the e day, where was it stated that "No e days for the next 6 tours?

JimmyC · Member

If this finest message, stating "No e days for the next 6 tours" was from the inbasket segment, I dont think it affects question number 80 something, ?

But I got a 54, so no one should be listening to me anyway. I am just curious.........

Quack · Member

Aim glad to see someone else protest #71. I agree that the most productive squad is the one with the most summonses regardless of how many cops.

NeedOutOfNarcotics · Veteran Member

For the E-Day/Sick Child question, it was nor a Finest message- There was a memo from the CO at the Desk stating no excusals for 6 tours. The correct answer was to give him the day off. I believe that it is a possible throw out because none of the other answers preclude you granting the day! I went with "Confer with the late tour Platoon Commander", other two were telling him to call back or asking about family members. As I read the question, you are a "newly assigned" Sergeant, so I conferred with the late tour Platoon Commander to see if "sick child" is a recurring reason from that MOS, or if there is something else going on.
Wierd case of The Job having a human answer, because, in "real life", "my kid is sick" are the magic words!

narco no more · Veteran Member

Finest message stating no excusals for 6 consecutive tours was taped to the desk. It was not a memo from the CO.

unborn · Guru

notmakingit wrote:
question 10 should not be affected by the problem with question 13 because the directions of the test had you answer 1 thru 17 in order.
question 23 is hard to fight b/c the wording in the patrol guide is capt or above, district surgeon, or other competent authority. The PG doesn't define competent authority, making it possible for Lt to remove guns, so the tricky test writers sand-bagged us with that one.
question 45 is also hard to argue once you actually look at the question and answer choices and compare to the PG procedure. We tried today to argue it and it is a very long shot.
Not trying to get anyone down, but alot of these questions are difficult to prove as wrong or doubles.

Question 13 had no answer if you answered question 10 right.

I agree question 23 is borderline but it's obvious the PG writers didn't intend for the procedure to be followed by anyone below Capt. They probably meant "other competent authority" to be a psychologist. DCAS will throw the question out if they need to I suppose.

Question 45 is very easy to argue, it's in black-and-white that the DESK notifies SCR, not the cop.

-- Edited by unborn on Thursday 1st of December 2011 11:05:02 AM

-- Edited by unborn on Thursday 1st of December 2011 11:05:17 AM

Gripes4Stripes · Veteran Member

does anyone remember that 311 question, whether the old lady with the piled up garbage was reporting it on the phone or in person?

Inspector71 · Veteran Member

Someone brought up in the protest session about question 20. The question stated: according to Patrol GUide Procedure 207-52 "Complaints Involving Cellular Telephones"

There is no Patrol Guide Procedure 207-52

Protest the question because it references a proceudre that does not exist.

"Complaints Involving Cellular Telephones" is an interim order 207 series #52 of 2009

Scantron · Veteran Member

What number was "207-52"?

I will mail that one in if I got it wrong.

Mes018 · Senior Member

Scantron wrote:
What number was "207-52"?

I will mail that one in if I got it wrong.

#20

smartcookie · Senior Member

Inspector71 wrote:
Someone brought up in the protest session about question 20. The question stated: according to Patrol GUide Procedure 207-52 "Complaints Involving Cellular Telephones"
There is no Patrol Guide Procedure 207-52
Protest the question because it references a proceudre that does not exist.
"Complaints Involving Cellular Telephones" is an interim order 207 series #52 of 2009

Nice!! Good looking! I will protest this tomorrow. biggrin

smartcookie · Senior Member

unborn wrote:
23: Removing guns from crazy sgt - ranking officer is a Capt +, not a Lt.

Ranking officer is not Captain or above. It is whomever is the highest rank present at the time.

Mes018 · Senior Member

smartcookie wrote:
unborn wrote:
23: Removing guns from crazy sgt - ranking officer is a Capt +, not a Lt.
Ranking officer is not Captain or above. It is whomever is the highest rank present at the time.

From 205-47: DEFINITION RANKING OFFICER- For the purposes of this procedure only, a Department surgeon, uniformed member of the service in the rank of captain or above, or other competent authority. You are a lieutenant in this question. If a lieutenant is a "uniformed member of the service", which I imagine we would all agree upon, then for this procedure only, he would NOT be considered a ranking officer. RANKING OFFICER 1. Request response of Department psychologist, if warranted, through the Sick Desk Supervisor, at (718) 760-7606. 2. Direct that the member's pistols, revolvers, IDENTIFICATION CARD (PD416-091), and shield be removed. Now if you are not a ranking officer, as per the definition that opens this procedure, you as a lieutenant will not be the person to direct that The sergeant's pistols, revolvers, identification card, and shield be removed.

smartcookie · Senior Member

Mes018 wrote:
smartcookie wrote:

unborn wrote:
23: Removing guns from crazy sgt - ranking officer is a Capt +, not a Lt.
Ranking officer is not Captain or above. It is whomever is the highest rank present at the time.

From 205-47: DEFINITION RANKING OFFICER- For the purposes of this procedure only, a Department surgeon, uniformed member of the service in the rank of captain or above, or other competent authority. You are a lieutenant in this question. If a lieutenant is a "uniformed member of the service", which I imagine we would all agree upon, then for this procedure only, he would NOT be considered a ranking officer. RANKING OFFICER 1. Request response of Department psychologist, if warranted, through the Sick Desk Supervisor, at (718) 760-7606. 2. Direct that the member's pistols, revolvers, IDENTIFICATION CARD (PD416-091), and shield be removed. Now if you are not a ranking officer, as per the definition that opens this procedure, you as a lieutenant will not be the person to direct that The sergeant's pistols, revolvers, identification card, and shield be removed.

We still may not get this point b/c technically (since they defined ranking officer for this particular procedure) a Lt could also be a competent authority. Trust me, I'm protesting this too, as I also picked a different choice. The question was just fuuucked up all around!

technocrat · Veteran Member

mes018-I think you have a valid point. And if it merely casts a level of uncertainty in the question or answers then the questions has the potential to have a flaw, hence valid for protest. I'm using the same preface.