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90xGoodnight · Veteran Member

English a second language for anyone? If so i would consider grammar ?'s biased

WANNABELT · Veteran Member

90xGoodnight wrote:
Unfair for people that came to this country and did learn to read and write but not to the point that they needed a college degree in the language........BIASED questions should be disputed and challenged at the court level if need be!!!!!!! I know many Sgt's that have english as a second language. Make DCAS be sorry they went there!!!!!!!!!!

No

90xGoodnight · Veteran Member

every grammar answer was wrong if you want to play by the books and be technical

Rudy · Senior Member

Don't like it GO HOME

NYG37 · Senior Member

I intent to. I will be seeking legal advice along with my fraternal organization regarding these grammar questions. I believe they were questions 61-64.

staystrong · Veteran Member

Good luck with that one! Try not to embarrass yourself too much!

NYG37 · Senior Member

Thanks. Don't be surprised if this list will be considerably delayed.

Housing loser · Member

I agree

Rudy · Senior Member

Intend not intent, how the heck, ugh

staystrong · Veteran Member

what do you expect...English is his second language!!!

neco9 · Veteran Member

I don't think 61 to 64 were the grammar questions. I think they were later in the test. the grammar questions were the most straight forward of all questions on the test. In addition, they always have grammar on the tests, no one should have been blindsided by these. if it's your weakness then you should have prepared for it. yawn

occbsux · Veteran Member

I had thought that someone might challenge those questions in that manner, however I don't agree. I don't think it is unfair for the department to expect its middle managers to be able to speak and write in proper english. I think they give too much leeway to new recruits (even American born), have you read some of the 61's out there. That being said I don't agree with the amount of grammer questions, and I do think PG knowledge is more important, but I think they would lose that challenge.

Bmoc09 · Senior Member

occbsux wrote:
I had thought that someone might challenge those questions in that manner, however I don't agree. I don't think it is unfair for the department to expect its middle managers to be able to speak and write in proper english. I think they give too much leeway to new recruits (even American born), have you read some of the 61's out there. That being said I don't agree with the amount of grammer questions, and I do think PG knowledge is more important, but I think they would lose that challenge.

So why can't you spell "grammar" correctly? Mr. Middle management of the NYPD.

Jaime · Member

Que?

JustWonderin · Guru

The grammar questions sucked. But you guys cannot base the whole test on them. You had 96 other questions to make up for the grammar questions you or we dropped

NYG37 · Senior Member

Anyone knows for sure what question numbers they were ? I thought they were 61-64

CloseCall07 · Veteran Member

Anyone who tries to sue is just Waisting time. If they throw out the test you'll still have to take another one. So the people who passed get screwed. Very selfish. Another exam will come out real soon. But if you sue then everyone is going to have to wait years. If you failed suck it up and take the next one!

NinoBrown · Veteran Member

Jaime wrote:
Que?

LMAO!!!

NinoBrown · Veteran Member

CloseCall07 wrote:
Anyone who tries to sue is just Waisting time. If they throw out the test you'll still have to take another one. So the people who passed get screwed. Very selfish. Another exam will come out real soon. But if you sue then everyone is going to have to wait years. If you failed suck it up and take the next one!

I believe u spelled "waisting" wrong bud. It's a homophone. "Wasting" is what u mean. Geez!!

BimpGod · Veteran Member

I was so mad about all the grammer, judgement questions etc, but honestly I only got 7 wrong from 68 to the end. I had no chance to pass or be in the position to pass if it was all PG because most of the questions people are protesting or got housed on came from 21-64. I would say the average person scored a 50% from those 44 questions.

NYG37 · Senior Member

BimpGod all it shows that you've guessed correctly on them, nothing more. Regardless, if you got them right or wrong they need to be tossed.

BimpGod · Veteran Member

Thats not true, honestly yea I guessed on a few, but I really didn't think they were as hard as the PG ones. There was a few, but mostly everyone I have spoke to got around 10 or less wrong on the last 1/3 of the test, and the last 10 were relatively easy. I thought the PG questions were just crazy and confusing, and each one was half a page long filled with alot of conflicting details.

I am only stating from talking to the Sgt's at my command, to each his own though.

Rudy · Senior Member

NYG37 wrote:
I intent to. I will be seeking legal advice along with my fraternal organization regarding these grammar questions. I believe they were questions 61-64.

. Which one the Steubens or the Emerald Society

NYG37 · Senior Member

Neither, we are very small and not recognized by the job.

CloseCall07 · Veteran Member

hahaha sorry for spelling wasting wrong. Typing on the iphone. Hey at least I did well on the grammar questions! lol

NextLtTest · Senior Member

CloseCall07 wrote:

Anyone who tries to sue is just Waisting time. If they throw out the test you'll still have to take another one. So the people who passed get screwed. Very selfish. Another exam will come out real soon. But if you sue then everyone is going to have to wait years. If you failed suck it up and take the next one!

I do not know what legal system you guys use, or what city you work for, but where I am the city does whatever it wants and steamrolls right over the little guys. The list WILL be established when the city wants with the exact number of people they want on it. I had a lucky Saturday, David taking on Goliath and winning is not happening, this is not a fairytale. Stay angry and be happy the next test will be in three years.

Mrclean · Member

lol...then no one would be here to POLICE... wink

Mrclean · Member

staystrong wrote:
what do you expect...English is his second language!!!

ha ha

HB · Senior Member

NextLtTest wrote:
CloseCall07 wrote:

Anyone who tries to sue is just Waisting time. If they throw out the test you'll still have to take another one. So the people who passed get screwed. Very selfish. Another exam will come out real soon. But if you sue then everyone is going to have to wait years. If you failed suck it up and take the next one!

I do not know what legal system you guys use, or what city you work for, but where I am the city does whatever it wants and steamrolls right over the little guys. The list WILL be established when the city wants with the exact number of people they want on it. I had a lucky Saturday, David taking on Goliath and winning is not happening, this is not a fairytale. Stay angry and be happy the next test will be in three years.

Fairytale??

OkeeDokee · Veteran Member

These are good points. It's unreasonable to expect Lieutenants to not embarrass the department through poor grammar & spelling.

WANNABELT · Veteran Member

NextLtTest wrote:
CloseCall07 wrote:

Stay angry and be happy the next test will be in three years.

Is this confirmed?

JobIsNotMyLife · Member

embarrass the department... cool aid? not to long ago CO's, platoon cmndrs were smoking sigars, getting ****faced, treated rookies like they did not exist, doctored reports for compstat, and much more. who cared if grammar and spelling were at its best.

things of the past, i know. now its harward, columbia ect graduates who cant get themselves desired jobs, spineless, 3-5 collars at best, sweat over cmnd log when signing it, hide behind rank and hoping for more tests like this to become inspectors and chiefs. THE BELIVERS!!!

OkeeDokee · Veteran Member

JobIsNotMyLife wrote:
embarrass the department... cool aid? not to long ago CO's, platoon cmndrs were smoking sigars, getting ****faced, treated rookies like they did not exist, doctored reports for compstat, and much more. who cared if grammar and spelling were at its best.

things of the past, i know. now its harward, columbia ect graduates who cant get themselves desired jobs, spineless, 3-5 collars at best, sweat over cmnd log when signing it, hide behind rank and hoping for more tests like this to become inspectors and chiefs. THE BELIVERS!!!

Well, I can see why you object to spelling and grammar questions.

JobIsNotMyLife · Member

i did drop out of school got my GED went to airforce joined the job, got guns and bad guys off the street(or at least to court). now looking out for cop's safety and make sure i give my all to make it the "good day at work" for everyone, everyday. i use microsoft word to do my 49s. anyway i m sorry, this is a waist of your time, i am going back to the page where ppl discuss the upcoming protest.

stiggityone · Guru

There is nothing more disgraceful than hearing cops going to priority jobs and screaming in a foreign language over the radio. ****ing embarassment. We're all Sergeants and have all read 61's that would barely pass for the work of a 3rd grader. You want the rank of Lieutenant, you should have basic reading and writing skills. I can't believe you're even arguing this point.

E D · Senior Member

Like it or not, this test is gonna be the direction the dept is going on future promotional exams, especially for Lt's and Capt's.
I failed this test but happen to agree in a way.
Here's my point, I have always believed that just memorizing the PG for one Saturday does not make a good boss, I think most of you would agree to that. I never really understood why you have to know 98% of this stuff when all you have to do is look it up when something happens that you don't know the procedure for. I mean in this day and age it's right there on our ever present cell phones that no one here would leave the house without, or it's on our MDT or worst case scenario at the desk.
Being a good boss is being fair and reasonable and treating your peers and subordinates with fairness and respect and being able to make managerial decisions, which most bosses these days aren't willing or can't do. Being a boss, especially a Lt also means report writing and being able speak and give presentations at meetings as well as being able to read reports and understand them (Vocabulary and reading comprehension). I believe all the reading comprehension, math and grammar were fair game.
I think the job isn't happy with its current supervisors so is therefore trying to change the qualifications needed to move up the ranks.
If English is you second language that's great, it's one more language than I can speak, but you still need to be able to do the required job, whether that's write a report, give a presentation, or figure out the increase in percentage of robberies in the last 28 days.

People in many other fields are always taking classes or seminars to stay up on changing trends in their fields. If your English or grammar isn't up to par and you are serious a about beings LT or Capt, take a course, read a book, buy Rosetta Stone don't just sit there and cry foul.

-- Edited by E D on Friday 25th of November 2011 02:30:09 PM

1chief · Veteran Member

I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE STAYING. AND IF THAT WHERE THE JOB IS GOING THEN FINE. MY PROBLEM IS THAT I SHOULD HAVE A CHANGE TO PAST, AND NOT BE SHOCK TO SEE A NEW EXAM INFRONT OF MY. THAT WAS NOT FAIR TO ALL OF US THAT STUDY. AND GAVE UP SO MUCH TO PAST THIS TEST IS STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT I GOT BECASUE THE TEST END WHEN I GOT TO 100. SO I COULD NOT WRITE IT DOWN, NOW I AM A PUCK BECASUE I DONT IF WANT TO GET IT ONLY TO SEE THAT I FAILED OR I MANY BE SO NEAR THAT I HAVE A MAYBE. THIS IS SO SAD. SO I WILL GO AND PROTEST, WITHT THAT REST AND I HOPE IT WILL HELP ME, AND OTHERS.

wereinbacklog · Guru

1chief wrote:
I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE STAYING. AND IF THAT WHERE THE JOB IS GOING THEN FINE. MY PROBLEM IS THAT I SHOULD HAVE A CHANGE TO PAST, AND NOT BE SHOCK TO SEE A NEW EXAM INFRONT OF MY. THAT WAS NOT FAIR TO ALL OF US THAT STUDY. AND GAVE UP SO MUCH TO PAST THIS TEST IS STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT I GOT BECASUE THE TEST END WHEN I GOT TO 100. SO I COULD NOT WRITE IT DOWN, NOW I AM A PUCK BECASUE I DONT IF WANT TO GET IT ONLY TO SEE THAT I FAILED OR I MANY BE SO NEAR THAT I HAVE A MAYBE. THIS IS SO SAD. SO I WILL GO AND PROTEST, WITHT THAT REST AND I HOPE IT WILL HELP ME, AND OTHERS.

Seriously?

18and1 · Senior Member

1chief wrote:
I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE STAYING. AND IF THAT WHERE THE JOB IS GOING THEN FINE. MY PROBLEM IS THAT I SHOULD HAVE A CHANGE TO PAST, AND NOT BE SHOCK TO SEE A NEW EXAM INFRONT OF MY. THAT WAS NOT FAIR TO ALL OF US THAT STUDY. AND GAVE UP SO MUCH TO PAST THIS TEST IS STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT I GOT BECASUE THE TEST END WHEN I GOT TO 100. SO I COULD NOT WRITE IT DOWN, NOW I AM A PUCK BECASUE I DONT IF WANT TO GET IT ONLY TO SEE THAT I FAILED OR I MANY BE SO NEAR THAT I HAVE A MAYBE. THIS IS SO SAD. SO I WILL GO AND PROTEST, WITHT THAT REST AND I HOPE IT WILL HELP ME, AND OTHERS.

Has to be a joke

Double 7s · Member

The test is the problem?

Sgtfahlife · Veteran Member

LMAO

okeedokee · Veteran Member

1chief wrote:
I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE STAYING. AND IF THAT WHERE THE JOB IS GOING THEN FINE. MY PROBLEM IS THAT I SHOULD HAVE A CHANGE TO PAST, AND NOT BE SHOCK TO SEE A NEW EXAM INFRONT OF MY. THAT WAS NOT FAIR TO ALL OF US THAT STUDY. AND GAVE UP SO MUCH TO PAST THIS TEST IS STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT I GOT BECASUE THE TEST END WHEN I GOT TO 100. SO I COULD NOT WRITE IT DOWN, NOW I AM A PUCK BECASUE I DONT IF WANT TO GET IT ONLY TO SEE THAT I FAILED OR I MANY BE SO NEAR THAT I HAVE A MAYBE. THIS IS SO SAD. SO I WILL GO AND PROTEST, WITHT THAT REST AND I HOPE IT WILL HELP ME, AND OTHERS.
Sorry, people have different talents and abilities. Not everyone should be or can be promoted.

-- Edited by okeedokee on Friday 25th of November 2011 10:51:56 PM

1chief · Veteran Member

YES

1chief · Veteran Member

WELL I THINK PEOPLE WHO STUDY THERE ASS OFF SHOULD PASS!!!!! WHATS HE POINT OF STUDYING. IF IT WAS A FAIR TEST THEN. IF YOU FAILED THEN TRY HARDER NEXT TIME. BUT THIS TEST WAS NOT FAIR FOR MOST THAT WHY THE SCORES ARE SO LOW. I SM S SMSRT GUY, AND A DAMN GOOD SGT, AND I WILL BE A EVEN BETTER LT!!!!

Lostinspace · Veteran Member

wow.

1chief · Veteran Member

OOOOPS DID NOT PROOF READ SMILE!!!!!!!!!!!! LMAO

wereinbacklog · Guru

Lostinspace wrote:
wow.

Understatement of the year lol.

okeedokee · Veteran Member

1chief wrote:
WELL I THINK PEOPLE WHO STUDY THERE ASS OFF SHOULD PASS!!!!! WHATS HE POINT OF STUDYING. IF IT WAS A FAIR TEST THEN. IF YOU FAILED THEN TRY HARDER NEXT TIME. BUT THIS TEST WAS NOT FAIR FOR MOST THAT WHY THE SCORES ARE SO LOW. I SM S SMSRT GUY, AND A DAMN GOOD SGT, AND I WILL BE A EVEN BETTER LT!!!!

If you are a troll, you are a genius. Otherwise, not so much.

1chief · Veteran Member

WHAT A **** TALK WOW WHATS NEW.

okeedokee · Veteran Member

1chief wrote:
WHAT A **** TALK WOW WHATS NEW.

What?