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area1 · Veteran Member

POWER IN #'S TO PROTEST THE MORE PEOPLE THAT PROTEST THE SAME QUESTION THE BETTER.

scott · Veteran Member

dude im right there with you 100 c, 4c, i mean i am so baffled beyond comprehension. Many doubles and ABCD answers to come..prob 15 like the Capt my source stated. i need 8 or i am fubared

LateRiser · Senior Member

Q100 was btwn A and C and i guess A came out the winner.

area1 · Veteran Member

WE WILL BE OK. IF WE WORK AS A TEAM. I would hate to see 10 questions thrown out and i only get one of them. this way we have a better chance of getting more of the throw outs. so PLEASE lets try to post them..

pgsucks · Newbie

4. A

5. D

13. D

15.A

18. D

21. D

23. A

25. A

26. C

27. C

34. D

37. D

38. B

40. B

43. A

45. B

47.C

51. A

56. A

58. D

59. B

63. D

67. C

68. NO IDEA (MATH)

69. C

71. A

72. B

77. D

79. D

83. B

84. A

90. B

93.D

100. C

area1 · Veteran Member

THANKS PQ SUCKS. WE HAVE 19 QUESTONS WE BOTH GOT WORG. THIS IS A START. COME ON GUYS KEEP THEM COMING.
I AM PUTTING THEM IN AN EXCEL PAGE AND WE WILL PICK THE TOP 10 WRONG TO PROTEST.
4. C 4. A
6. A 5. D
7. C 13. D
15. B 15.A
16. B 18. D
18. D 21. D
20. C 23. A
22. B 25. A
26. D 26. C
28. D 27. C
29. B 34. D
30. B 37. D
31. B 38. B
34. A 40. B
43. D 43. A
45. B 45. B
47. B 47.C
56. D 51. A
58. D 56. A
61. A 58. D
63. A 59. B
64. B 63. D
71. B 67. C
72. B 68. X
77. D 69. C
80. C 71. A
81. C 72. B
83. B 77. D
84. C 79. D
85. B 83. B
89. B 84. A
90. A 90. B
93. D 93.D
100. C 100. C

BoofinWork · Member

Studied my balls off........... got a 67

got these wrong

4.C
6.C
10.C
15.A
20.A
21.D
23.A
25.A
26.C
28.A
33.A
34.A
37.D
42.D
43.D
47.D
48.D
52.C
55.B
56.A
58.C
59.A
61.A
63.D
64.C
69.C
70.B
77.B
80.C
81.C
84.C
87.C
100.C

area1 · Veteran Member

MADE A BOOBOO I ALSO GOT # 24 WRONG
#
24. A

innocent1 · Senior Member

these are what i got wrong
1. D ( i know im the only dummy who chose that)
4. C
8. C
10. A
15. A
27. A
28. D
29. C
31. B
34. A
35. D
39. A
45. B
47. C
52. A
56. A
59. A
61. B
67. D
68. C
69. C
77. B
79. D
81. D
83. D
85. A
86. A
87. C
89. B
90. B
93. D
100. C

nycop80 · Guru

what was question 100 on ?

NextLtTest · Senior Member

nycop80 wrote:

what was question 100 on ?

Someone said authorizing admin ot.

90xGoodnight · Veteran Member

4.B

7.C

15.A

21.D

23.A

26.C

28.D

29.B

34.A

36.A

38.D

39.C

43.B

45.B

50.C

52.A

55.A

56.A

57.B

60.A

61.A

63.D

64.B

68.C

70.A

72.B

77.B

79.B

83.B

85.B

87.C

89.B

93.D

97.A

I KNOW I GOT SOME OBVIOUS ONES WRONG BECAUSE I WAS SO MIND F@CKED FROM THIS DAM TEST

Mes018 · Senior Member

3 D
4 C
6 C
15 A
18 D
20 A
22 B
23 C
24 A
25 C
27 A
28 A
29 D
31 B
34 A
37 C
38 A
39 C
40 D
45 C
46 A
47 D
52 A
56 D
57 B
60 B
61 A
64 B
67 C
69 C
77 D
83 B
87 C
89 B
90 B
93 D
97 C
100 C

18and1 · Senior Member

Study pretty hard and got a 66. I also u the spread sheet to compare what answers i got wrong to what everyone else put.

3. D
4.C
5.D
13. C
15. A
21. D
23. C
26.B
28.D
29.B
37.D
39.C
43.D
49.B
50.B
51.D
52.C
56.D
57.B
59.B
60.A
61.A
63.D
66.D
67.D
69.C
76.C
77.D
81.B
83.C
86.A
88.A
90.B
100.C

NYG37 · Senior Member

1.d
2.d
3.a
5.d
9.b
15.a
17.c
25.b
26.c
28.c
37.a
40.b
43.d
45.b
47.c
50.c
52.a
59.a
61.a
62.a
63.d
64.d
68.b
69.c
70.c
72.b
74.c
81.b
84.c
85.a
86.a
88.a
93.d
100.c

outat20 · Senior Member

got a 69...

1.d
3.c(last second random bubble in)
4.c(last second random bubble in)
6.c(last second random bubble in)
9.a
10.c
15.a
21.c
22.a
24.a
26.d
28.c
29.b
34.a
37.d
38.d
39.a
47.c
52.a
56.a
58.d
59.d
60.a
61.a
63.d
64.b
67.c
81.d
87.c
90.b
95.d

throwitout · Member

4) C 28.C 48.B

9)B 34.A 53.A

13.D 35.A 56.D

18.A 36.D 59.D

21.C 37.A 60.A

22.B 39.A 61.C

23.A 40.B 64.B

25.C 41.A 71.A

26.C 47.D 72. D

smartcookie · Senior Member

innocent1 wrote:
these are what i got wrong
1. D ( i know im the only dummy who chose that)

Nope. I got it wrong too. Guess I'm not such a smart cookie after all!! LOL!

outat20 · Senior Member

smartcookie wrote:
innocent1 wrote:
these are what i got wrong
1. D ( i know im the only dummy who chose that)
Nope. I got it wrong too. Guess I'm not such a smart cookie after all!! LOL!

me too, along with my 69 score.

One under · Veteran Member

3.c 4.c 7.b 15.b 17.a 21.c 23.c 26.b 28.c 29.d 32.c 35.a 36.d 41.a 45.b 47.c 50.b 58.d 61.a 63.d 64.c 69.c 71.b 72.a 77.d 80.c 81.d 83.d 84.a 86.a 87.c 89.b 90.b 95.d

PFB · Veteran Member

These are my wrong answers:

13. D

15. A

17. C

21. C

22. B

24. A

26. C

28. A

29. B

31. D

36. D

37. C

38. A

42. D......The only ass to get a triple answer wrong

43. D

47. C

51. D

55. C

56. A

61. A

63. D

64. B

67. B

68. C

72. A

77. D

78. C

80. C

83. B

86. A

87. B

90. B

100. B

outat20 · Senior Member

High probabilties according to the spreadsheet that were marked wrong according to the answer key...15, 47, 61 and 63...should concentrate on those 4.

HabidasheryAuto · Senior Member

4. c

5. c

13. a

15. a

18. a

20. a

21. d

22. b

25. a

26. c

28. a

34. a

36. a

37. c

40. d

43. a

45. b

52. a

55. c

56. a

61. a

62. b

63. a

69. a

71. a

83. b

84. a

89. b

90. b

93. d

100. c

karatekid · Senior Member

This is what i got wrong. Keep it going! I see alot of people getting the same questions wrong.
4.b
5.d
6.c
9.b
10.c
15.a
21.d
23.a
24.a
26.c
28.c
34.a
37.c
38.d
39.d
40.d
41.a
43.a
44.d
45.b
52.a
58.d
60.a
61.a
62.c
64.c
68.d
74.c
75.d
77.b
79.b
81.c
83.b
85.b
87.c
89.b
90.b
93.d
97.c

BXCOPPER33 · Senior Member

6- B

13- D

15- A

18- A

20- A

21- C

23- C

25 B

28- D

36- D

37- C

40- B

47- C

48- D

50- C

56- D

61- A

63- D

64- C

67- C

69- C

71- A

77- D

83- B

84- C

85- A

91- A

100- C

qwerty123 · Member

Another method used to determine the effectiveness of a question is the consistency of incorrect responses. So, ironically, the more of us that got a question wrong, the more valid it is considered to be....statistically.

area1 · Veteran Member

ok guys this is what i have so far. now we have to figure out which questions we can remember, so we can properly prepare our protest.

how to read what i did. eg. #4 90%got it wrong, but that does not mean that is the one we will all protest together, we have to first know what the question is,

So, PLEASE if anyone know, or can remember any of the below to we can all portest them together.. REMEMBER !!! POWER IN #'s we just all have to agree which questions we really want them to throw out..

# 4 =90% wrong

#26 =80% wrong

#28 =90% wrong

#29 =60% wrong

#34 =80% wrong

#43 =60% wrong

#45 =60% wrong

#47 =80% wrong

#52 =70% wrong

#56 =90% wrong

#59 =70% wrong

#60 =50% wrong

#61 =90% wrong

#63 =70% wrong

#64 =70% wrong

#67 =50% wrong

#69 =60% wrong

#72 =50% wrong

#77 =70% wrong

#81 =60% wrong

#87 =50% wrong

#90 =60% wrong

#93 =60% wrong

#100 =70% wrong

area1 · Veteran Member

qwerty123 wrote:
Another method used to determine the effectiveness of a question is the consistency of incorrect responses. So, ironically, the more of us that got a question wrong, the more valid it is considered to be....statistically.

qwerty123, i agree with what your saying , so how about if most people got for example the letter C. and most of us got it wrong. do you thing that consistency can determine a need to look into a question? I'm just trying to find the best way as a team. to fight some questions.

ImDrained · Senior Member

here's the 35 I got wrong, wtf? this is unbelievable,
1. C
4. B
5. D
10. C
15. A
21. C
24. A
26. D
27. C
28. A
29. B
34. A
37. A
39. A
40. D
47. C
48. B
51. A
52. A
55. C
57. B
60. A
63. A
64. B
65. C
68. B
71. A
72. D
81. C
83. D
89. B
90. B
95. C
96. B

100. C

s2h · Veteran Member

3
6
7
15
17
20
21
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
34
37
40
43
45
52
55
56
57
64
67
77
79
83
85
86
90
91
95

s2h · Veteran Member

alot of use messed up in the 20s

bigblu911 · Newbie

2. D

3. A

4. C

5. B

9. B

12. A

13. A

17. C

22. B

23. C

25. A

26. C

28. D

34. C

35. C

37. A

40. B

47. D

52. A

56. A

57. D

61. B

63. D

64. C

68. D

69. C

71. B

72. B

76. C

81. C

83. C

90. B

93. D

100. C

area1 · Veteran Member

lets see if we can do this... we will select the TOP TEN to protest based on what we know we can protest and as a team protest the ones that most got wrong. this is a test run.....let see if we can work them out.

#26 = aided at a nursing home can someone please confirm if your sure it's # 26. = 80% got it wrong with ans. (DCCCBCDCCC) if this is the right question? How many put the answer as make a memo book entry and resume patrol? please only post if you have posted your worng questions and want to be part of this organized protest..

#28 Identity theft question.please confirm if your sure it's # 28 is the id theft. i dont remember how the question went. but, 90 % got this wrong. ( DADDADCCCCDAA) MOST PUT D

#47 was dept 53 with red ,let's try to confirm I THINK IT WAS A Judgement question.? ( (ccdccdcdcb) 80 % got this wrong.

area1 · Veteran Member

this is who we have on as part of the organized protest. please continue to post as we come up with the TOP TEN. we all have to help out.

WE NEED MORE TO DO THIS RIGHT, PLEASE TAKE PART

area1

pgsucks

boofinwork

innocent1

90xGoodnight

Mes018

18and1

NYG37

outat20

throwitout

karate kid

BXCOPPER33

habidasheryAuto

PFB

bigblu911

area1 · Veteran Member

area1 wrote:
lets see if we can do this... we will select the TOP TEN to protest based on what we know we can protest and as a team protest the ones that most got wrong. this is a test run.....let see if we can work them out.
#26 = aided at a nursing home can someone please confirm if your sure it's # 26. = 80% got it wrong with ans. (DCCCBCDCCC) if this is the right question? How many put the answer as make a memo book entry and resume patrol? please only post if you have posted your worng questions and want to be part of this organized protest..
#28 Identity theft question.please confirm if your sure it's # 28 is the id theft. i dont remember how the question went. but, 90 % got this wrong. ( DADDADCCCCDAA) MOST PUT D
#47 was dept 53 with red ,let's try to confirm I THINK IT WAS A Judgement question.? ( (ccdccdcdcb) 80 % got this wrong.

#100..Mes018 wrote..QUESTION #100=."Some older threads state #100 was the question where you had to get some project done for the Mayor's Office. Answer Choices were: A - Delegate the work to subordinates and authorize OT if needed. B - Cut corners to get it done on time. C - Roll up your sleeves and dig in. D - Tell the X.O. that the assignment is too much for you to handle.
I dont remember the exact wording, and I might have the answer choices switched around (especially B & D). I chose roll up your sleeves and dig in because as a lieutenant you are not allowed to authorize OT for administrative work. That is only for the PC, First Dep, and Chief of Dept. to allow. (I guess DCAS decided to change what a lieutenant is allowed to do, because according to them the answer is A - authorize OT to get it done.)". so this can be added .

1062Z · Newbie

1-D 4-C 5-C 13-D 15-A 18-A 21-C 23-A 25-C 26-C 27-C 28-D 29-B 31-B

32-B 34-C 36-A 40-A 43-D 45-C 46-A 47-C 50-C 51-C 56-C 57-B 58-D 60-A

64-B 67-B 69-A 72-D 77-D 79-D 84-C 86-A 87-C 100-C

bleh

J Man · Senior Member

3. A
4. C
10. C
15. A
23. C
25. C
26. C
28. D
37. C
38. D
40. D
43. D
47. C
50. C
56. A
57. D
58. D
61. B
63. D
64. D
67. D
81. B
86. A
89. B
93. D

nycop80 · Guru

3.A
5.D.
13.A
15.A
18.A
21.D
24.A
25.A
26.C
28.C
34.A
35.D
36.C
39.A
40.B
45.C
47.C
50.B
51.A
52.D
56.A
57.B
58.D
60.A
61.A
62.C
63.D
64.D
67.C
77.B
83.D
85.A
100.C

QUESTION 100 IS DEFINITELY PROTESTABLE AS A DOUBLE ANSWER.

razor1 · Veteran Member

My (Most popular) wrong answers
4C
26C
34C
43D
45B
47C
52A
56D
59A
60A
61A
63D
64A
68C
77D
83B
86C
90B
93D
100C

One under · Veteran Member

One under on the air I'm with you

neco9 · Veteran Member

1 d

7 c

13 d

15 a

18 a

19 c

21 d

23 c

24 a

25 a

26 d

28 d

29 b

34 a

35 a

36 c

38 d

43 a

45 b

47 c

54 a

56 d

57 b

58 d

59 d

60 c

61 c

62 c

63 d

64 c

67 d

78 b

83 c

84 a

87 c

90 b

cry

neco9 · Veteran Member

it seems a lot of people had issues with 56 to 64. I got all wrong some how. could have done better if I had guessed. it seems others had problems with this area too.

narco no more · Veteran Member

Some of my wrong answers. Bold choices are in-line with the majority answer on spreadsheets or very close.

4) C
15) A
21) B
23) A
24) A
25) A
26) D
28) D
29) B
34) A
37) C
43) B
50) C
51) D
52) A
56) C
59) B
61) C
62) A
63) D
83) D
85) A
87) C
89) B
90) B
93) D
100) C

qwerty123 · Member

IMHO: The number of people that protest a question has no bearing on whether it is thrown out. Take your time and write thoughtful, persuasive explanations supporting the answer you think should be credited. For PG related questions, your protest must cite the PG section accurately. For judgment questions you must clearly and persuasively explain why your answer was the MOST correct. Very few of the judgment questions had clear errors (like the authorizing overtime one. I chose the "correct" answer but I knew it was wrong). Ultimately they will adjust the numbers to get a reasonablly large list; your goal should be to give them support for crediting the answers you got wrong so that you benefit from the changes. Don't let your emotions get the better of you at the protest. Do not waste time protesting the questions that made you angry, protest the ones that you can clearly argue against. Keep in mind that an answer may be a correct statement or a sound policy, but does not respond to the call of the question. I will be writing protests for the entire 6 hours because there were so many poorly written questions but there were also a lot of simply difficult questions (there always are). I hope in the end most of the people that studied hard and made tremendous sacrifices make the list. I am lucky to be on the good side of 70 but I am still furious that the test was such a curve ball. When you study hard you should do well, when you don't study hard you should fail. Traditionally, even with all of its faults, the test was usually fair in that sense.

JustWonderin · Guru

Well put

stillasgt · Newbie

1) d

4) c

9) a

15) a

18) c

20) c

21) c

22) b

23) c

24) a

26) c

27) c

28) d

30) d

33) a

37) d

38) a

39) a

40) b

41) a

43) a

46) a

47) c

48) a

56) d

57) d

58) c

59) b

60) b

61) a

63) d

64) c

65) a

67) c

72) b

77) b

80) c

83) b

91) a

big guy · Senior Member

What is up with so many people getting a lot wrong from 20 thru 29?? Seems like the chunk of the test that gave people the most problems. Any protestable ones in there? There have to be since very common among a lot of people i talk t0 had issues there.

area1 · Veteran Member

qwerty123 wrote:
IMHO: The number of people that protest a question has no bearing on whether it is thrown out. Take your time and write thoughtful, persuasive explanations supporting the answer you think should be credited. For PG related questions, your protest must cite the PG section accurately. For judgment questions you must clearly and persuasively explain why your answer was the MOST correct. Very few of the judgment questions had clear errors (like the authorizing overtime one. I chose the "correct" answer but I knew it was wrong). Ultimately they will adjust the numbers to get a reasonablly large list; your goal should be to give them support for crediting the answers you got wrong so that you benefit from the changes. Don't let your emotions get the better of you at the protest. Do not waste time protesting the questions that made you angry, protest the ones that you can clearly argue against. Keep in mind that an answer may be a correct statement or a sound policy, but does not respond to the call of the question. I will be writing protests for the entire 6 hours because there were so many poorly written questions but there were also a lot of simply difficult questions (there always are). I hope in the end most of the people that studied hard and made tremendous sacrifices make the list. I am lucky to be on the good side of 70 but I am still furious that the test was such a curve ball. When you study hard you should do well, when you don't study hard you should fail. Traditionally, even with all of its faults, the test was usually fair in that sense.

I totally agree with you. But dont you thing we will have a better chance of getting a questiond thrown out if we all as a team target a bad question together. And as a team work on getting all the right material, to properly protest it with valid arguments? that what we are trying to do here. Let all figure the top ten bad questions to fight. and each person can also protest other questions too. But as a team lets try to all fight at least 10 of the same questions.

Ok wit me · Veteran Member

My Projection is all the judgement questions will be tossed. All the PG questions will stand. We all know there were a lot of tricks with these PG questions. But some how DCAS will give us an answer is to why they're fair. DCAS will not have an answer for the judgement questions.

area1 · Veteran Member

I just came back from DCAS I asked all the questions I can think of regarding the protest review session.
I DID NOT SPEAK TO THE PERSON ON THE WINDOW; I spoke to a supervisor who confirmed any question I had with his supervisor.
This is what I got.
1. You can bring the supporting evidence to substantiate your protest. INCLUDING the Fast Track Total Guide.. as long as you can also state what section in the patrol guide its from
2. You can NOT bring and hand written material. You can bring in something type written, like your prepped protest.
3. They will have three locations for the sessions. I was told my session will be on December 2nd at 210 juraloman street in Brooklyn. From 9am- 3pm
4. After the session you can still send in your protest by mail. And attach supporting evidence to substantiate your protest; YOU MUST indicate the question #.
5. By MAIL you have until the 28th of December to have it post marked
6. As per the Judgment questions he said they did not use any book as a reference, this all came from the LTs that made up the test.
7. They will have a copy machine to make copies of material to attach to the protest.
8. The panel will consist of 1 LBA rep, 1 NYPD rep, 1 DCAS rep.
9. MAKE SURE YOU KNOW THE QUESTION # he said that is very important.
So like Ive been saying lets all try to protest most of the same questions and help each other properly write it out. (Remember you can bring in typed info. But you will have to rewrite it when you get there.)