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lazari · Member

went to the protest session today

nycn8tive · Veteran Member

Pretty Meager huh? Well, hopefully as the days go on the turnout will be better since today is just the first day. I need two questions thrown out! *fingers crossed*

bigfoot45 · Guru

SO how does it work? Who did you guys complian to? Did they agree with any arguements?

Uknowme · Veteran Member

went today also i protested the firearms discharge and the grammar question. none of the other questions i got wrong were worth protesting. it was pretty pathetic though only about 20 people or a little more at the dcas site in brooklyn.

nycn8tive · Veteran Member

I know you have to go in there with your facts straight. You have to articulate why your answer is the better choice than the answers DCAS has given. If you can back your answer(s) up with facts (i.e. patrol guide, penal law) then there is a good possibility there will either be double answers, or the question(s) thrown out all together.

Dufresne · Member

Lazari, I have two questions that you may be able to answer since you had the chance to take a look at the question booklet today.

1. Regarding the map question, did it actually say "southerly" in the wording of the sentence?

2. As far as the prisoner unusual, did they "lock you in" to the prisoner unusual procedure?

Any help is greatly appreciated.

nycn8tive · Veteran Member

UKnowme,

Do they sit there and just listen to you....how does it work?

Uknowme · Veteran Member

no you get the booklet, the proposed answer key and scrap paper. they also give you sheets to write up your protest. you have to write your protest on their paper and submit it at the location. if you wish to mail the protest in you have to follow the instructions on the pink sheet they gave us.

SPEEDZTAR · Member

We need to have people who are doing the protest session to assist others who want to protest questions....keep this topic going and keep it always on top of the discussion forum.

marc0930 · Veteran Member

Regarding the map question, did it actually say "southerly" in the wording of the sentence?

Yoyo718 · Veteran Member

U have a better shot of being promoted to first grade Det than having 2 questions thrown out face reality study harder next time.

lazari · Member

sorry i got the map question right so i did not re read the question. furthermore the firearms discharge question seems to be the strongest protest next to the grammar question. also the prisoner unusual said according to PRISONER UNUSUAL but oddly did nto state the patrol guide procedure number.

Uknowme · Veteran Member

I got an 89 i think its retarded not to protest questions. if i can get two questions to be double answers i gain 2 points. someone who also has an 89 and already had the right answer will gain nothing. that means i get promoted faster. i dont get why people think the only reason to protest a question is if you need it to pass.

nycn8tive · Veteran Member

YOyo,

No disrespect, but just because you passed doesn't mean you shouldn't protest questions. If people don't, then DCAS will believe all the questions they are putting out there is legit. Obviously they are not, because there have been questions thrown out and had double answers in the past. I'm pretty sure if you needed that extra point or two you wouldn't have a problem protesting questions. Additionally, if you did score high..then those are extra points that will put you further up the list.

gotabimer · Senior Member

yoyo718 don't pay no mind to the haters bro congrats

Su Madre 24 · Guru

Which question # was the discharge

nycn8tive · Veteran Member

Who's hating!

Uknowme · Veteran Member

61

Slate · Senior Member

No southerly!

skiguy37 · Senior Member

I Was there today
This was a piss poor turnout in my opinion. People that passed and didn't show up made a poor decision. If you pick up 1 or 2 points that could bump you 2-3 classes. I got an 84 and I protested 3 questions.
1) I made a ridiculous argument for the inbasket LOD question and I'm probably not winning that question.
2) firearms discharge for an accidental
3) TVB appearance had 2 correct choices in my opinion.. I made a very articulate write-up for that question and choice C should be an alternate choice.

Also, the inbasket said southern winds, not southerly winds so I don't think that has a shot at getting thrown out.

nycn8tive · Veteran Member

what question number was the TVB appearance?

Jade19 · Newbie

-- Edited by Jade19 on Wednesday 16th of November 2011 09:54:17 PM

skiguy37 · Senior Member

TVB appearance was #86, they had choice b as correct and I argued for choice c

Semp1 · Guru

Went today also with skiguy and we found out today is the only day there were protests to be held at two sites. Ours which was for the Oct 15th test where less than 40 showed up and the other location for military/Jewish. They also told us that the number of 9000+ taking the test was false and it was only slightly over 4000. The protest was open forum you could talk amongst eachother share reference material and photocopy it too.

-- Edited by Semp1 on Wednesday 16th of November 2011 09:57:07 PM

DinNY · Newbie

If it said SOUTHERN... It's still possible to be thrown out. Southern Winds does not exist. Something Southern still originates from the south. It should have read " winds heading South " . Everyone send a protest letter in. It will get tossed if a bunch of people flood them With letters about this question. It was poorly written. If you picked the park and passed congrats, if you picked the stadium and are floating on a 68, or a 69, it can and will get tossed. Help your brothers, including myself, get on this list. We can all be rewarded with a promotion in the long run.

Semp1 · Guru

No southern means something differently then southerly.

DinNY · Newbie

No such thing as southern winds

Semp1 · Guru

What are you talking about. It simply means winds blowing south. Nobody fought that question, so I guess if people felt that was wrong more than 33 people should have come and more than 250 total should have signed up. There are no more protest dates. That's it

-- Edited by Semp1 on Wednesday 16th of November 2011 10:11:16 PM

SPEEDZTAR · Member

Hey Semp1....if possible, can you verify which questions were being protested, and what kind of reasons were being given for the questions being protested?

DinNY · Newbie

What number was the TVB question?

Semp1 · Guru

Yes I protested the grammar for the issue with double spacing, the accidental discharge being a double answer, and what to do as a TS operator when receiving a CCRB. That's question 97,61, and 30. Others protested the TVB question which was 87 and I even heard the SAD question being protested which was in the 40's. Also the Force figure was protested. Honestly that's about it. The wind direction was not protested do not expect to pick it up matter of fact pretty much all but the force figure was not protested so the in basket is a wrap. Also in regards to the show up. It was sad and even though I passed I want 1-2 more points. It's pathetic that others rely on a few to get them points. This is your careers take charge of it don't rely on 33 people.

-- Edited by Semp1 on Wednesday 16th of November 2011 10:24:03 PM

TimeForChange · Veteran Member

Here's DCAS instruction RE: Protest
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcas/html/employment/protest.shtml

In short, even if you missed the deadline, which was a week after the exam, you can still send in your protest by mail (just reiterating what has been said many times around here). However, it must be POSTMARKED NO LATER THAN 30 DAYS FROM TODAY (Wednesday 11/16/2011).

Guideline for MAIL-IN PROTEST:
- Separate pages for each question. In other word, start a NEW PAGE for each question.
- Put the followings on top of EACH page:
* EXAM TITTLE; EXAM NUMBER; SESSION NUMBER (ONE for most of us non-Sabath & Make-up); QUESTION NUMBER; TEST DATE; SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER
- Make THREE copies (1 original + 3 copies)
- PRINT YOUR NAME & ADDRESS ON THE ORIGINAL (ALL PAGES)
- SIGN the LAST PAGE of the original ONLY

skiguy37 · Senior Member

That's great if you have the instructions for how to protest, but without seeing the EXACT wording of a question, you are gonna have a very difficult time writing it up. There were a few I thought I had a shot at and then when I saw them and read the procedure next to it, I knew that I had absolutely no chance of a protest.
Please try to send some in from home, but when the test validation board sees that you can't reference the exact wording of a question, they are gonna send it to the shredder.
DCAS doesn't just give out protests for charity, they need indisputable, articulate PROOF.

TimeForChange · Veteran Member

Being that this is my 2nd time taking the test and 1st time really care, so I too missed the deadline. A couple problems with the mail-in protest; 1st of all, you might not recall the exact question numbers of the ones you wanted to protest. 2nd, You don't have the exact question in front of you to pick it apart.

I'd like to help very much, well, help myself too, climbing up the list, but it's hard to be articulate and convincing w/o the exact wordings available to you. How about this; Those that attended the protest, please post the questions as accurate as possible. We'll try our best to compose something like the sample posted on top of this board. Then we'll all mail them in altogether?

skiguy37 · Senior Member

Also, semp1 has a Bachelors Degree in English so you can thank him if #97 is protested. That guy has a brilliant mastery of the English language.

TimeForChange · Veteran Member

Skiguy, you beat me to it dude... I was gonna put both of my posts together but.... haha

Semp1 · Guru

Hahaha. I do thanks skiguy. You were a great help today you Ginger bastard. Lol.

marc0930 · Veteran Member

No one wants to beleive me on this one, but they really messed up on the wording for this mobilization. The words Southerly & Southern have the same explanation, people who got it correct dont care but people like me need the points, this question is the perfect throw out question whether u want to beleive me or not.

South·ern

1.

lying toward, situated in, or directed toward the south.

2.

coming from the south, as a wind.

3.

of or pertaining to the south.

OkeeDokee · Veteran Member

marc0930 wrote:
No one wants to beleive me on this one, but they really messed up on the wording for this mobilization. The words Southerly & Southern have the same explanation, people who got it correct dont care but people like me need the points, this question is the perfect throw out question whether u want to beleive me or not.
South·ern

1.
lying toward, situated in, or directed toward the south.
2.
coming from the south, as a wind.
3.
of or pertaining to the south.

I don't believe you.

marc0930 · Veteran Member

1.

toward the south: a southerly course.

2.

(especially of a wind) coming from the south: a gentle southerly breeze.

noun

3.

a wind that blows from the south.

marc0930 · Veteran Member

i am not protesting the park as the mobilization point, i am protesting the way they written the paragraph using either southerly or Southern, this was very confusing and for sure we can win the protest

Semp1 · Guru

No body fought it. Nobody will get the point.

wisecop · Senior Member

The mobilization point question isa protestable questions, but not because of the "southerly winds", thats retard. If you read the booket in page five it clearly states "it can be understood that 2 blocks is 500 feet. The scenario was an explosions, which requires it to be 1000 feet, none of the choices were 1000 feet away because the farthest points was the stadium, and it was 3 blocks away which is only 750 feet away therefore none of the choices were good. They dropped the ball, by saying two blocks=500ft.

wisecop · Senior Member

and is i did debate it.

skiguy37 · Senior Member

Also, like another poster stated, a DCAS lady today told us that only 4500 took the exam. I honestly don't know where we got the number of 9000 from. She stated that 4500 took it, about 250 applied for the protest and far less than 100 showed up for the protest.

Semp1 · Guru

It didn't say that, I can't really remember. Honestly no one fought that. It's going to be a problem without knowing the wording.

-- Edited by Semp1 on Thursday 17th of November 2011 04:22:38 PM

-- Edited by Semp1 on Thursday 17th of November 2011 04:23:33 PM

-- Edited by Semp1 on Thursday 17th of November 2011 04:24:41 PM

TimeForChange · Veteran Member

wisecop wrote:
The mobilization point question isa protestable questions, but not because of the "southerly winds", thats retard. If you read the booket in page five it clearly states "it can be understood that 2 blocks is 500 feet. The scenario was an explosions, which requires it to be 1000 feet, none of the choices were 1000 feet away because the farthest points was the stadium, and it was 3 blocks away which is only 750 feet away therefore none of the choices were good. They dropped the ball, by saying two blocks=500ft.

I beg to differ dude. I strongly believed they said "the distance BETWEEN 2 blocks..." or something in that effect. In other word, 1 block = 500 feet.

TimeForChange · Veteran Member

If it'll help Marc, why don't we try to help him. Be constructive about it. I only got it right because of the following question, the best route, lead me there. There was no other route except that, short of going against traffics. I caught the "SOUTHERN" too. That was the curve ball, whether it was intended or not, but at that moment I was like WTF.

Like I said Marc, compose your protest and post them here. We, those who care, will try our best to help you. I will!!

TimeForChange · Veteran Member

The basis for a complete "throw-out" is the stem of the question is defective, thus there was no correct answer, not even the MOSt correct.

wisecop · Senior Member

if the distance between two blocks is 500 feet than 1 block is 250 feet genius.

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