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furiousWe are as disappointed in this test as you. We prepared you to the best of our ability and we have been preparing students for 12 years. I took the test and cant believe that they would ask you 29-30 reading comprehension, grammar, judgment, and supervisory questions. This is a major deviation to any NYPD promotional exam EVER given.

My advice:

MAIL in your protest session TODAY! Then relax and wait for the tentative DCAS answer key. Once DCAS releases the answer key, PROTEST every question you get wrong (especially the reading comprehension, grammar, judgment, and supervisory questions.) PROTEST PROTEST - PROTEST

If they provided you with a reference book on the Notice of Exam, you could have been properly prepared for this exam BUT they did NOT!

Lets see how they defend these questions.

I would make DCAS regret putting questions on the exam that they did not provide you with proper guidance.

Please let me know of any thoughts you have - Mike - myano@msn.com

Good Luck and stay safe,

The Fast Track Team

 

My question is what good will  that do me if I have to take this test  again. I have a very short memory. 



-- Edited by Haterinyou on Sunday 30th of October 2011 10:06:42 PM

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We are as disappointed in this test as you. We prepared you to the best of our ability and we have been preparing students for 12 years. I took the test and cant believe that they would ask you 29-30 reading comprehension, grammar, judgment, and supervisory questions. This is a major deviation to any NYPD promotional exam EVER given.

My advice:

MAIL in your protest session TODAY! Then relax and wait for the tentative DCAS answer key. Once DCAS releases the answer key, PROTEST every question you get wrong (especially the reading comprehension, grammar, judgment, and supervisory questions.) PROTEST PROTEST - PROTEST

If they provided you with a reference book on the Notice of Exam, you could have been properly prepared for this exam BUT they did NOT!

Lets see how they defend these questions.

I would make DCAS regret putting questions on the exam that they did not provide you with proper guidance.

Please let me know of any thoughts you have - Mike - myano@msn.com

Good Luck and stay safe,

The Fast Track Team

 

My question is what good will  that do me if I have to take this test  again. I have a very short memory. 


 You wouldn't have to take d test again, it would force DCAS to have many throwouts or double answers like the 2010 Captain exam hopefully giving you enough points to get on the list.



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They would have to throw out over 25 questions------ is that possible????

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Oh I see , so ok , let's protest ,protest , protest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



-- Edited by Haterinyou on Sunday 30th of October 2011 10:19:37 PM

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OCCUPY DCAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I got my tent ready to occupy DCAS

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LT FAILURE wrote:

They would have to throw out over 25 questions------ is that possible????


 With this test, definitely.



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I haven't showered since the test and I'm not going to. I want our DCAS occupation to smell like Zuccotti park

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I doubt that they will throw out 25 of these questions.


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I say we should all come together and protest this exam. Seriously, this exam was nothing that anyone expected.


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im attending the protest come rain or shine....

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Realistically, they'll throw out a few and that'll be that. The majority of P.G. questions were defensible just ridiculously tricky.

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That was the inbasket and test from hell.... **** you to whoever wrote it

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Does anyone remember getting the first letter from DCAS when u filed? I was told that they specified in that letter to expect judgement, grammer, and math questions. I threw my letter out...Can anyone else attest to this?


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To all of those this may concern. It will do us no good to complain amongst each other. You have to step outside of the box and complain to the source, the P.C.,  your union AND ESPECIALLY DCAS. Flood their emails and mail box and then notify the media. This will be a bigger embarrassment than the capt's exam.

 

FEEL FREE TO CONTACT DCAS IN WRITING AT: NYC DEPARTMENT OF CITYWIDE ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICE, ONE CENTRE STREET, 17th FLOUR SOUTH, NEW YORK, NEW YOR, 10007 AND YOU CAN ALSO CALL THEM AT 212-669-7000 IF YOUR DISGUSTED WITH EXAM. DON'T JUST TALK ABOUT IT, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!

 

EMAIL THE COMMISIONER OF DCAS TO.  

http://www.nyc.gov/html/mail/html/maildcas.html

 

WE CAN NOT ALLOW DCAS TO CERTIFY THIS SUBJECTIVE EXAM. PEOPLE HAVE PUT THEIR LIVES ON HOLD TO STUDY FOR THEM TO MAKE UP SCENERIOS THAT HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE RULES AND REGULATIONS. 

 

IF YOU THINK IT'S WORTH FIGHTING FOR, THEN DO SOMETHING. ESPECIALLY IF YOU DID NOT RECIEVE THE SECOND NOTICE OF EXAM. 

 

CAN YOU SAY CLASS ACTION LAWSUIT!



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FEEL FREE TO CONTACT DCAS IN WRITING AT: NYC DEPARTMENT OF CITYWIDE ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICE, ONE CENTRE STREET, 17th FLOUR SOUTH, NEW YORK, NEW YOR, 10007 AND YOU CAN ALSO CALL THEM AT 212-669-7000 IF YOUR DISGUSTED WITH EXAM. DON'T JUST TALK ABOUT IT, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! RE-POST



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FEEL FREE TO CONTACT DCAS IN WRITING AT: NYC DEPARTMENT OF CITYWIDE ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICE, ONE CENTRE STREET, 17th FLOUR SOUTH, NEW YORK, NEW YOR, 10007 AND YOU CAN ALSO CALL THEM AT 212-669-7000 IF YOUR DISGUSTED WITH EXAM. DON'T JUST TALK ABOUT IT, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! RE-POST


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Question,.... how do the throwouts work? Im under the impression that you have to pass the exam (at least a 70%) before any of the throwouts can count towards one's overall score right? Can someone shed some light please. Thanks.

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throw outs are included in your raw score


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With my luck if there will be any throw outs , it will be the once that i had correct.

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Even if there are a lot of throwouts and everyone picks up 10-15 questions, all that means is more people make the list, but its a crapshoot on who gets promoted and who doesn't. The people that did really study may still lose out which is really messed up.

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PatrolGuideismyBible wrote:

Even if there are a lot of throwouts and everyone picks up 10-15 questions, all that means is more people make the list, but its a crapshoot on who gets promoted and who doesn't. The people that did really study may still lose out which is really messed up.


 I think the people that studied hardcore are really worried, but don't really have to be. The fact is, there were at least 50 Patrol Guide questions on the exam. Odds are, these studiers are pretty smart/focused to begin with, and therefore will also be able to handle the other questions as well. The people who did not study that much may have a shot since there weren't as many PG questions, but they still had to get correct answers on the 50 that were given. All in all, I bet that the hardcore studiers will all pass, but with all scores on the low side. I doubt we'll be seeing many (if any) 100%. I understand the fear and anxiety, but I bet the majority of the 6+ month studiers will do just fine.



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I dunno, those PG questions were tricky and there weren't enough "give me's". There were many where I thought the fact pattern was too vague and could have had more than one answer. A few had you interpreting their example rather than sticking to an indisputable fact pattern. Hardcore students could still struggle with the 50+ PG questions on this exam. I would say less than 20 were easy.

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Your guess is as good as mine. I was not one of the hardcore studiers so many of the PG questions were tricky to me. lol But, the other questions were more up my alley. I just hope a lawsuit doesn't hold the list up.



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I agree. I studied for 7 months 600+ hours and got a 91 on the 2006 key practice exam. Ill be shocked if i got a 70% on that test! How pathetic is that?!

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Stupid Question: Regarding the throw outs, if I didn't answer a question and left it blank, would i get credit for that question being that I did not answer it at all? (If the question were to be thrown out)



-- Edited by JustWonderin on Monday 31st of October 2011 01:04:51 AM



-- Edited by JustWonderin on Monday 31st of October 2011 01:11:12 AM

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Forget about money! I have spent minimum 8 hours a day since March. I have taken. Both key and fast track class. I memorized this patrol guide. This is what I got on the day of exam.

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Kanachoda, we have to take charge and organize. Do not let them beat us without a battle.

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Whoever made the exam did not respect the time and effort we put in the book. He/she does not believe into hard working students.

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JustWonderin wrote:

Stupid Question: Regarding the throw outs, if I didn't answer a question and left it blank, would i get credit for that question being that I did not answer it at all? (If the question were to be thrown out)



-- Edited by JustWonderin on Monday 31st of October 2011 01:04:51 AM



-- Edited by JustWonderin on Monday 31st of October 2011 01:11:12 AM


 I would think that yes, everyone taking the exam would have that question marked correct.



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smartcookie you are one of many who didnt have time to finish the exam and had to leave answers blank because we did not have a proper heads up to organize our time on this exam because it was not the exam it was supposed to be. We have to step up and get this thing thrown out.

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smartcookie you are one of many who didnt have time to finish the exam and had to leave answers blank because we did not have a proper heads up to organize our time on this exam because it was not the exam it was supposed to be. We have to step up and get this thing thrown out.


 Sorry, FNM. I did finish the exam. Though I did have it out with our proctor who refused to write the time on the board (like they always have in the past) and we didn't have a clock in the room. I was pissed that I didn't think to bring my watch (I'm an asss) but I assumed there would be a clock on the wall.  I just motored through as fast as I could so I wouldn't get caught not finishing. I am fortunate that reading comp/grammar/math are my strong suits. I will be putting in to protest regardless though. Even if I did well on the "experimental" part of the exam, I still did not get a great grade. Nov. 29th cannot come fast enough. 



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smartcookie you are one of many who didnt have time to finish the exam and had to leave answers blank because we did not have a proper heads up to organize our time on this exam because it was not the exam it was supposed to be. We have to step up and get this thing thrown out.


 Sorry, FNM. I did finish the exam. Though I did have it out with our proctor who refused to write the time on the board (like they always have in the past) and we didn't have a clock in the room. I was pissed that I didn't think to bring my watch (I'm an asss) but I assumed there would be a clock on the wall.  I just motored through as fast as I could so I wouldn't get caught not finishing. I am fortunate that reading comp/grammar/math are my strong suits. I will be putting in to protest regardless though. Even if I did well on the "experimental" part of the exam, I still did not get a great grade. Nov. 29th cannot come fast enough. 


 Past few Yrs the only time you get during DCAS exam is from your watch. Thats it. If they have a clock in the classroom they will disconnect it. And yes, they are not allowed to tell you the time left or what time it is



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I am new to the forum. I took the test. I am not upset since i didnt waste time studying, but I feel terrible for those of you who put their lives on hold for the last 6 months, memorizing the PG. I agree with protesting many of the questions, but i dont agree with protesting the grammar ones. It is well known that DCAS asks grammar questions, and they give advanced warning that they will do so. Too many grammar questions? Perhaps. Math too? I am more concerned about questions that suggested  correct answers to be "stealing from the job", or "not reporting OEEO violations". Some questions seemed to have answers that would be a matter of opinion. How can that be incorrect? Anyway, good luck to all. I doubt that 25 questions will be thrown out. I also doubt that the test will be nullified.



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smartcookie you are one of many who didnt have time to finish the exam and had to leave answers blank because we did not have a proper heads up to organize our time on this exam because it was not the exam it was supposed to be. We have to step up and get this thing thrown out.


 Sorry, FNM. I did finish the exam. Though I did have it out with our proctor who refused to write the time on the board (like they always have in the past) and we didn't have a clock in the room. I was pissed that I didn't think to bring my watch (I'm an asss) but I assumed there would be a clock on the wall.  I just motored through as fast as I could so I wouldn't get caught not finishing. I am fortunate that reading comp/grammar/math are my strong suits. I will be putting in to protest regardless though. Even if I did well on the "experimental" part of the exam, I still did not get a great grade. Nov. 29th cannot come fast enough. 


 Past few Yrs the only time you get during DCAS exam is from your watch. Thats it. If they have a clock in the classroom they will disconnect it. And yes, they are not allowed to tell you the time left or what time it is


 That's what the DCAS supervisor said when I was making a ruckus in my room. He said they didn't allow the times on the board in over 3 years. I got promoted off of the 2006 Sgts Exam.



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I want to thank the writers of this exam. They reinforced how much the City and the Department sucks. (caps for city or department?, who fu*king cares). By the way, does anyone realize that there are many things in the PG make no sense in today's world, it is 2011 not 1975, perishables and today's newspapers? Give me a break.

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