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Sgt's list established not yet public.


I just called the DCAS automated number and I was told the list has been established but no yet made public.  This leads me to believe that scores could come down any day now.

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You misunderstood. I just called the automated system and it said the list has NOT been established.

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I just called again and it said that it has not been established however on my previous called it said it had been established and not made public I know for a fact I did not misunderstand I call this number all the time.

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Oh ok. Must have been a mistake on their end. Too bad, would have been a nice piece of news to end the day.

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I know I got very excited when I heard it and dissapointed when I called back and heard a different message.

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I posted about this a week or so ago I've gotten that message a few times. They say it has been made public but not yet established. I think its just a computer glitch

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HabidasheryAuto wrote:

I think its just a computer glitch



Ladies and gentlemen... DCAS

 



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I just heard..... that the list will be out when the list comes out!!

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No, you misunderstood. The list will not be out when it is out!!!!!

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Why would you call them all the time,  too much time on your hands.  What is the rush depending on your score your not getting promoted for another year anyway so sit back and leave dcas alone.  Your not going to speed anything up.  You should concentrate on doing your job right so when the time does come, your not one of these 5 year boy wonder rookie sgts. with absolutly no patrol experience, scratching your ass wondering what to do on a job.  Unfortunetly I have seen way too much of that.  All of our times will come but it wont be for a while.  They still have at least 150 to 200 names on the old list.  Stay positive but put it on the back shelf for a rainy day.  After you forget about it for a while, all of a sudden you will get the notification and then go to bmoc.



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MCD wrote:

 

Why would you call them all the time,  too much time on your hands. Stay positive but put it on the back shelf for a rainy day.  After you forget about it for a while, all of a sudden you will get the notification and then go to bmoc.

 


^^^^^^^says the guy whos still posting on a promotional discussion forum dedicated to a test given in Feb. Some people dedicated alot of time and effort to passing this test. Some people are sick and tired of patrol. Its an automated number. Hes not bothering anyone. Not for nothing you come across very preachy. Not pickin a fight....Just saying.  

 



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hab..auto.. all mcd is saying is to RELAX, AND ENJOY SCRATCHING YOUR ASS, ITS GOING TO BE AWILE..call dcas all you want, its not going to make a difference. plus when they do establish a list, it STILL IS NOT THE REAL LIST, cause they need to update it, etc, so get used to patrol.....thats what the 5 year snobs should do...instead of acting like they are so fuxxn smart...i got a 5 yr wonder about to get promoted in january...the worst mistake of his/her life...good luck to that command.......

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Very well said.  Im not trying to preach but a finest messege will come out when the list is established and that is the only time people will know that there is a list out.  Plus I put a lot of time into this as well and would like to see this whole process speed up but I know the process and am paitient about it.  I also see alot of boy wonders get promoted which is great but the guy doing crime team right out of ftu or impact then gets promoted on his fifth year does not know crap about this job.  If your one of those guys please pick up some jobs once in a while and learn how there done.  I have over ten years on patrol which i like because i make it work for me and have to teach some of these new bosses how to do things.  I really cant believe how clueless they are.  Anyway im ready to move onto the next step of my career but after being around for a while I know how things work around here.  Good luck to all, this was meant to be positive.  If you have five or less on sit back, learn, listen and enjoy, you still have a long career ahead of you.



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Whats wrong with being a 5yr wonder? I'm disapointed that I probably wont get the opportunity to get promoted at my 5th year. Not for nothing but you got guys with 7,10,15 years getting promoted that dont have any idea what they are doing because they spent their entire careers at umm lets say the 13th pct, 106, central park, TRANSIT and then get thrown into Brooklyn North.. Haha!

It doesn't matter if youre a 5yr wonder or a 10yr wonder as long as you are competent. Plus, respect isnt just given its earned. Of course those guys making boss with only like 30 collars have to work a lot harder to get my respect but at the end of the day you still have to respect the rank!

Now, lets get back on track, WHENS THIS LIST COMING OUT!! smile.gif

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nononono

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Yea, ill give you that.  It is more the individual than the actual time on.  If APD ever did their job correctly we wouldnt have all the garbage that we have on this job anyway.   I just dont like the way this job went, with making people with less than five years on going into all these specialty units without putting their time in on patrol and thats the jobs fault.  When I came on you had to have had five years on patrol before you could apply for anything.  Now my entire crime team has less than three or four years on.  These are the guys that will eventually get you jammed up.  But anyway back to buisness, just waiting for the list like everyone else.  I just like to check the sight out once every two months just to see if there is any positive, good info.

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wawawawawawawa, stop the nonsense all u guys with time on, all u say the same stupidity." when i first came u needed to have atlease 7 years on to even get a sector blah blah blah blah" dude guess what? that time past so lets move on. i know plenty of u guys with time on with less than 20 collars does that make u eligible to be boss? it doesn't matter:  if u pass the test with 5 yrs on or 20 yrs on a bosses job is to supervise no to be a cop. yes having knowledge of what a cop does is very important but is no big deal cause like i said a lot of you walk around with your arm full of hash marks and alot of hero stories but haven't done anything.

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Whats funny is you used to only need 3 years on to make Sgt before. Now its 5, so I would think the bosses woul dbe better NOW. Its actually the opposite of what you guys are saying. If youre calling new sgts "5 year woders" than what were you calling them before when they got made with 3 years? I can only imagine.

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I personally believe that we will not hear anything until we hit the last 100 names or so on the 08 list. From what my boss has told me, in the past, DCAS has posted an "unofficial" list to keep the clock from ticking and give everyone an idea as to where they will be. I think that the 09 list will come out the spring of '10. By then, most of not all of the 08 will be used up.

On another note, stop the 5 year wonder argument. I have had bosses with 20+ years that crap their pants everytime they have had to make a decision and I have had 5 year wonders that were willing to learn from older cops, be humble and make sound judgements when it was necessary, and visa versa. I don't care about how much time a boss has on this job. Just be humble, don't be a jerkoff, take care of and look after your people, and remember, WE are no better than any other cop out there. We just had a lucky Saturday. And no, I wouldn't be a 5 year wonder.

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I would take a 5 year patrol cop boss over a 10 year crime cop any day.

Collaring skels and turning a violation into a felony doesnt mean you will be a good boss.

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ITS THE PERCENTAGE OF BOSSES WHO HAVE 5YRS ON THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT...no siit there are good and bad of every person, rank, out there in any conversation.... a cop w 7,10,15 yrs may not have war stories but has seen a whole lot more ****, whether it be the black outs, or just from seeeing how patrol was back in the day...this job has drastically changed in the last three yrs..and a cop who takes the test w 3yrs on, most likely did impact or sum ftu crap, for around a yr, give or take, maybe patrol for 1.5 yrs, then studied for 9 mos, took the test at the three yr mark, and bout 9-11 mos later found out they are on easy strret doing jack, for a yr or so then get made...im glad for everyone, and we can all work together, and naturally wish everbody the best but, the typical 5 yr wonder, will not only **** his pants but make the rest of us annoyed...i had sumone do the roll call 4 times over , on the same fuxxn day...tax # 935....gd luck people...everyone review your books...  



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Im sorry Ringer but I have to disagree, war stories = experience. So what a cop with "time on" went through the black outs etc. Cops from busy commands experience stuff like that all the time. When was the last time you seen some cop that patrols Times Square run into shots fired etc.

Those cops that took the test with three years from a busy house probably took more jobs on foot than a midnight sector in Manhattan. Now, that doesnt mean that theyll be a good boss. You cant really predict who will and who wont but when the sh#t hits the fan I rather be with a boss thats had STREET experience (Patrol and or Crime) than some former house mouse or tourist attraction.


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Whats funny is you used to only need 3 years on to make Sgt before. Now its 5, so I would think the bosses woul dbe better NOW. Its actually the opposite of what you guys are saying. If youre calling new sgts "5 year woders" than what were you calling them before when they got made with 3 years? I can only imagine.



they were completly diffrent times, you were probably about 6 when that happend.  very few people ever got promoted with three years.  The lists used to be three thousand people long.  I dont even remember when they did that.  Completly diffrent times, diffrent job, diffrent everything.  Cant compare the two.

 



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wawawawawawawa, stop the nonsense all u guys with time on, all u say the same stupidity." when i first came u needed to have atlease 7 years on to even get a sector blah blah blah blah" dude guess what? that time past so lets move on. i know plenty of u guys with time on with less than 20 collars does that make u eligible to be boss? it doesn't matter:  if u pass the test with 5 yrs on or 20 yrs on a bosses job is to supervise no to be a cop. yes having knowledge of what a cop does is very important but is no big deal cause like i said a lot of you walk around with your arm full of hash marks and alot of hero stories but haven't done anything.


I dont think you have enough time to know what nonsense is, newbee.

 



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I would take a 5 year patrol cop boss over a 10 year crime cop any day.

Collaring skels and turning a violation into a felony doesnt mean you will be a good boss.



I couldnt agree more, thats what I was trying to say all along, that crime cops have no patrol experience because these days they take them right out of FTU or impact because they want young cops that wont make their own decisions, they will do what ever the boss says,  you want 20 c summons this month, ok ill give you 25.  Then these guys get promoted.  How many family disputes or doa's have they done???

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I couldnt agree more, thats what I was trying to say all along, that crime cops have no patrol experience because these days they take them right out of FTU or impact because they want young cops that wont make their own decisions, they will do what ever the boss says,  you want 20 c summons this month, ok ill give you 25.  Then these guys get promoted.  How many family disputes or doa's have they done???



So what ur trying to say is that ALL crime cops have NO patrol experience and dont know how to answer radio runs or be a boss? So you dont know ONE patrol cop who is trying to get into special ops, hawks on collars and writes a few more "c"s or 250's? I do.  I personally am a crime cop, with patrol experience, and have come to realize that many PATROL cops dont know how to make simple, elementary patrol decisions - on jobs such as missings, shootings, crime scenes and even using the radio. Not to completely disagree, i know special ops in general has gotten much younger, and not wholly for the better, but lets not make silly generalizations. I think a crime cop, with at least a few years of patrol experience, is well suited for being a sgt- maybe more than a guy with no exp in special ops.... 

 



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Of coarse its not every crime cop, but for the most part where I work it a joke with these guys, all of them have three years on except for one guy which has maybe five. The crime Sgt. has 6.5 years on. I wish you guys could see him in action. This is not everyone but does seem to be a trend which the job has gone to.

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Sadly, it is a trend, and you couldnt be more right about that. I guess it's on a pct to pct basis, but i have to at least defend the remaining few of us crime cops who arent:   A) Kiss-asses   B)have 1,2,3,4,5yrs on and NEVER did patrol    C) Use hooks for pct level positions ..................... so sadno

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Sorry if it sounded like a personal attack but it was just me venting a little about the job. The main thing is that we know that we will eventually get promoted and be able to run things our way to a small degree. Everyone will have a diffrent approach to supervising and some of the newer guys will do just fine as well as the older ones. The upper supervision has put the pressure on the rest of the supervisors to be the way they are today with comstat, inspections and whatever else and the way things used to be will only be a distant memory of the past. This is the new NYPD and some of use older guys just have to get used to it. I have a 25 year Sgt. which they are trying to run out of town because he still believes in doing things the old fashion way. Oh well. I notice a huge diffrence within the last twelve years.

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That said, I couldnt agree more

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I remember growing up seeing cops on TV, strong individuals who made a difference so I looked up to them.  I got on the job and went out there and gave patrol a try.  I quickly learn that patrol is a dead end, you answer jobs listen to a story and you fill out a piece of paper that corresponds to the incident.  Everything had a captions.  Weight gain and boredom are a few of the amenities. I started to to notice the "veteran's" attitudes bitching and moaning about everything and anything.  God forbid someone would pick up anything of your jobs, that's a sin on patrol.  It's sad to get on the forum and see the same non sense. It's easy to call someone a rookie from behind the TS, what's not ez is when the rookie goes on that 5 block foot pursuit to take that gun off the street, then you call him a buff because you don't have the Balls to do the same.  Thinking about it, it's hard to go on foot pursuits when you've gained 100lbs since the academy.  When the rookie takes pride in his job and his uniform the vet calls him a tool.  Having time on the jobs means absolutely nothing if you haven't done anything for 15 years.  I can't take pride on my collars, but you can take pride on your fade uniform, disgruntle attitude and lack of motivation.  The season vets don't really want crime so why hate on the rookie who wants it.  A couple of guys here mention you had to have 5 years or more to do crime before.  Yes, back in the days it was a plainclothes unit, vets loved it you could hide out, pick up women, and no accountability.  It's too hard nowadays they make you work, and we all know time on makes you allergic to working.  The real reason why you can't stand rookies is because the rookie is younger, faster, and stronger than you are.  You are broken down, you refusedto work, and you forgot why you got on.  You wanted to be a cop, to help people, not for free coffee.  A very common resume is 10 yrs, patrol, 40 arrest no.  Next time you drive by a 53 and speed off, because you fear you will get flagged down to do a PAR, then you will know exactly what I'm talking about.

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Maybe I'll agree wth you to some point... But I will take the 10yr patrl cop with 40 arrests which probably consist of only 40 arrests but they are for legit robs, burgs, or assaults.... Some rookies douchebags are never taughts discretion... 100 vtl 511 arrests for one scoff on one date... Joe Smith had an insurance lapse or forgot to pay that cellphone summons... Putting them thru bookings is the real crime... Or the other great collar.. Vendor with no license... Many rookies are pussies who only prey on the weak... While I agree many can find guns and drugs... Too many get a hard on over collars that should be a summons at most....

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5 Year wonder very well said!!! Hard exam I have to agree with you as well. 511's aren't really collars but at the same time, those 10yr patrol cops with 40 collars that are legit robs, burgs, or assaults are mostly radio runs. They are give me's. Those cops in special ops have to actually hunt for their arrest.

Also, the patrol politics are ridiculous. You have a 34 around the block but cant get there before the sector because its their job? Meanwhile theyre two miles away at D&D getting coffee. So now what? You have to park a block away while someone could be getting seriously hurt. Grow up! You can have the collar, Im here to help.

I look at some of these 10yr+ guys that are totally disgruntled and know I DO NOT want to become them. Dont complain when you are sent to the hospital because you have time on. You are a police officer and well thats part of your job description. So, if you dont like it than quit or boss up.


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My brother,
call me what u want but the reallity is that most, not all of u with time on; the only thing u have experience in is complaining about this job and how it use to be, and whats crazy about it is that they do it for 20 yrs and in most cases more than 20 yrs(cant be that bad) and when u look into their back round they have been working for 17 yrs in the boro, or the wheel, or one of the many made up units this department has to offer doing absolutely nothing.
Respect the rookies that go out there and do the job u never did or don't want to do.

PS. And yes im a newbee with atlease 5 yrs on and if taking pride in what u do is being a rookie, hairbag or what ever other names u veterants can come up with then i guess i will be a rookie for ever. remember at the end of the day rookie or not we r all cops. 

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The truth is that the patrol guy with 10-15 years on that complaints once in a while about the job did all those special ops units when they first came on. Take time and speak to some of those guys and sometimes they open up about what they did back in the days.... They did the a/c.. Street crime unit.. sneu... cond.. And now maybe they do the patrol thing cause they need the schedule for their families or as they got older old injuries and a little bit of weight caught up to them.  Its cool to see an old timer working a sector and respond to a 30 and they take the time to do a small investigation while the radio is still busy and before their EOT they bring the perp in.  Bottom line is that is ok to b*tch about the next officer just as long as everyone shows each other respect.  The sooner you realize in your career that this is a bosses job, the more fun you going to have and less b*tching you going to do.

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I remember growing up seeing cops on TV, strong individuals who made a difference so I looked up to them.  I got on the job and went out there and gave patrol a try.  I quickly learn that patrol is a dead end, you answer jobs listen to a story and you fill out a piece of paper that corresponds to the incident.  Everything had a captions.  Weight gain and boredom are a few of the amenities. I started to to notice the "veteran's" attitudes bitching and moaning about everything and anything.  God forbid someone would pick up anything of your jobs, that's a sin on patrol.  It's sad to get on the forum and see the same non sense. It's easy to call someone a rookie from behind the TS, what's not ez is when the rookie goes on that 5 block foot pursuit to take that gun off the street, then you call him a buff because you don't have the Balls to do the same.  Thinking about it, it's hard to go on foot pursuits when you've gained 100lbs since the academy.  When the rookie takes pride in his job and his uniform the vet calls him a tool.  Having time on the jobs means absolutely nothing if you haven't done anything for 15 years.  I can't take pride on my collars, but you can take pride on your fade uniform, disgruntle attitude and lack of motivation.  The season vets don't really want crime so why hate on the rookie who wants it.  A couple of guys here mention you had to have 5 years or more to do crime before.  Yes, back in the days it was a plainclothes unit, vets loved it you could hide out, pick up women, and no accountability.  It's too hard nowadays they make you work, and we all know time on makes you allergic to working.  The real reason why you can't stand rookies is because the rookie is younger, faster, and stronger than you are.  You are broken down, you refusedto work, and you forgot why you got on.  You wanted to be a cop, to help people, not for free coffee.  A very common resume is 10 yrs, patrol, 40 arrest no.  Next time you drive by a 53 and speed off, because you fear you will get flagged down to do a PAR, then you will know exactly what I'm talking about.



Maybe you should go back to watching your Cop movies because your obviously not in touch with reality, you dont think we were rookies also at one time.  By the way, hate to break it to you but something tells me im not broken down, not over weight and definetly not weak.  Not to mention I could of probably passed a test earlier but my three activations under Title 10 USC. after 9/11 may have had something to do with that, and if you dont know what that means, ask a Veteran.  Listen and you may learn something, and by the way ill pay you back your lunch money kid.

 



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any rumors about our list, how many passed....?

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Who cares if you have 0,5,10,15,20. We all came on this job to do some police work, retire, and get a pension. Let's end this stupid post.no

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i agree, lol.... any valuable info out there???? lol

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Bottom line as a supervisor you are only as good as the rank above you. If the Lt. is clueless then the sgt's job will be that much harder which will eventually trickle down. It doesn't matter where you come from although having patrol experience under your belt will make the transition a lot smoother. However, it doesn't matter how much Time OTJ a cop has we all do not know everything and we always have room to learn something new. My advice is to learn the Job (patrol). As a supervisor the cardinal rule should be to treat your subordinates right. That goes a lot farther than how many hash marks you have on your sleeves.

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noWHEN????????????!!!!!

 



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hollar wrote:

any rumors about our list, how many passed....?




rumor has it about 2800 passed. from a good source



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you got lousy source.

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hence his name

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dats his name yo

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5YRWONDER MAKES SOME VERY GOOD POINTS!  I HAD PLENTY OF JOBS BEFORE THIS ONE AND LET ME JUST SAY THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WHEN ITS "COOL" TO HATE YOUR JOB AND BE RIDICULED TO ACTUALLY LOVE IT AND BE CALLED A "BUFF". THERE IS NOTHING WRONG IN TAKING PRIDE IN WHAT YOU DO. BUT I DO THINK ITS VERY IMPORTANT TO STAY ON THE SAME PAGE WITH FELLOW COPS!! BECAUSE I HAVE PERSONALLY SEEN THAT IF ONE DOES MORE THAN EVERYONE IS EXPECTED TO DO THE SAME.... THE INTERNAL POLITICS RUIN MORAL..

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If you would have told me the day of the test that we'd be gonig into 2010 without a list established Id never believe it. For fuks sake already.

-- Edited by fodx on Wednesday 9th of December 2009 06:28:47 PM

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Guy, there's still 240 names left on the list that's out now. Whether or not we had a list out we are not getting made until the other list is gone. bitching about it on a message board isn't going to make it come any faster and is just gonna give everyone else more anxiety over something that's out of our control. Chill out and enjoy our holidays. Consider you list number 241 for now.

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This list should be established in the spring of 2010 since the old list should be exhausted in june or so.

And depending on the size of the list and if they continue the every other month bmoc classes then this list might last its full four year lifespan. So yeah, dont hold your breath guys. Patience is a virtue.

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