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Date: Jan 27, 2008

I am starting a Protest Group. Anyone IN

Date: Jan 27, 2008

I am definently in. I will contact you with my email. This is my 4th test. I missed the last test by 2 points. I think they threw out 6 questions. A buddy of mine got 69 on the last test. He decided to fight some questions and got luckly when they threw out one of the questions he protested. He will be getting made boss soon.

I think this is an excellent idea. More minds work better together than just one by it self.

Date: Jan 27, 2008

Good. Just get a list of all the people you know want to protest questions. That way when we protest questions, we have a strong leg to stand on.

Gonzo66 · Veteran Member

I'm in...however I need a better answer key, 43Ccop did a great job, thank you. However some of our instructors who took the exam and our money need to step up to the plate and put forth a better answer key so we can start doing our research.

Samiam32 · Senior Member

Hey gonzo66..good luck with that.. They already got your money. Last test I couldn't understand why they wouldn't help us out and lesson some of that post test anxiety. Maybe this year they will

Date: Jan 28, 2008

The job wont let the school people put out a answer key. Second be careful a mos from my capt's test was removed from the list because of a post on examx. Word to the wise be careful.

63inthehouse · Member

Please advice how can I join your group to protest those questions.

-- Edited by 63inthehouse at 07:17, 2008-01-29

Date: Jan 28, 2008

it was a protest question posted on examx

Date: Jan 28, 2008

PEOPLE STOP POSTING QUESTIONS PLEASE. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE POSTING QUESTIONS. YOU ARE JUST GIVING IT AWAY TO THOSE WHO DID'T STUDY AND ARE TAKING IT LATER ON. SO PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE STOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP POSTING QUESTIONS.

Date: Jan 28, 2008

WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT PRIVATELY BUT NOT ON PUBLIC FORUM CORRECT? THIS IS POSTED FOR THE COMMENT ABOUT THE CAPTAIN BEING REMOVED.

brat4914 · Guru

nothing was ever published changing the procedure for the gas cards. sorry

Date: Jan 28, 2008

63inthehouse wrote:

I was wondering can you protest the question about "you loose the gas card for the rmp, what is the recorder should do". Didnt we stop using those cards and an interm order came out taking out the rmp gas card.
please advice how can I join your group to protest those questions.

63inthehouse, That sound like a protest to me..... Make sure you and anyone(all that sat 6 hours taking the test!) protesting a question send your slip to
DCAS by this week so they can send you down for a session.

Date: Jan 28, 2008

Rules

brat4914 · Guru

RE: I am starting a Protest Group. Anyone IN

Date: Jan 28, 2008

Well let me re phrase my question. I want to know that can I join that group of people who are going to protest a questions as a group? Because someone just posted a question that a person was kicked off the captains list?

Date: Jan 28, 2008

Question

Date: Jan 28, 2008

Regarding the thread about a lieutenant who got kicked off the captains list because he talked about the test. Can someone clarify what are the rules about protesting. I would'nt want to jepordize my name on the list because of something I didn't know.

So can someone advise please or give examples. Can we protest as a group regarding questions?

dcone2001 · Member

I am starting a Protest Group. Anyone IN

NYPD74 · Senior Member

Lt that got kicked off capt's list=Urban legend

If you believe that, I have a bridge to sell you.

-- Edited by NYPD74 at 05:44, 2008-01-28

dcone2001 · Member

as many people as possible should definately protest. even if you did really well. everyone that passes is going to get promoted due to the need of sgt's. so if you think you got a high score still protest some of the odd/hard questions, all of the ones you can think of.

brat4914 · Guru

Hey NYPD74...........that is NOT an urban legend..........really happened.

Date: Jan 28, 2008

Brat

brat4914 · Guru

RE: I am starting a Protest Group. Anyone IN

Date: Jan 28, 2008

A guy on the last captain's exam was kicked off the list for discussing protests online and posting the questions online, including the answer choices. They were an exact match to the actual questions. This is strictly prohibited by DCAs rules, because it compromises the questions. I would be very leery about posting questions online in any detail for the purposes of protesting them.

bigmama · Member

I'm definitely protesting something, i need a point or 2 to reach 70.

Date: Jan 28, 2008

Has anyone went to the review before to go over the questions and answers? And if so what are you allowed to do there. I read the DCAS guidelines but they are a little vague. I need an answer from someone who actually went to the review in person. What I want to know is that when at the review can you actually write down notes and bring with you at home to protest the questions?

What exactly can you do and can't you do. Because on DCAS web site it states you can bring material but you can't take notes. Then how are you going to fight something if you don't write it down.

Please someone explain what exactly can be done there? Please elobarate in detail.

31coopert · Newbie

already sent in the slip for the review process. make sure you send those slips in by saturday.
anyone else think that the answers were vague or not the complete right answer

Gonzo66 · Veteran Member

Most protestable questions are #49 #64 #94, so far.

RE: DCAS rules- Do not discuss questions on-line.
YOU CAN GET IN TROUBLE!

Date: Jan 29, 2008

This is only subjective advice and I am not liable for it: only discuss questions after the Sabbath and Military exams, which will be done in a few weeks, and don't:

- List all the answer choices
- Try to precisely reconstruct question stems
- Use terms that closely track the questions from the exam.

Discuss the questions as generally as possible, and spend most or all of you time referring to the PG, etc., rather than the question itself. People who took the test and went to the protest session will know the question and won't need to see it again online.

The LT who was kicked off apparently posted questions online that were practically identical in structure, answer choices, etc., to the questions on the test. Plenty of people discussed questions online, but he was the only one penalized because he basicially gave away questions verbatim.

You are allowed to discuss questions, but not with people who have yet to take the exam. This is what it says directly above where you signed your name on the DCAS admissions card. Giving away precise questions online violates this.

This is only an opinion, so don't hold me to it. It is a subjective judgment, but it is grounded in fact.

63inthehouse · Member

I am in, Just tell me what to do????????????

Date: Jan 29, 2008

I believe the question about what information to release on the rape case definitely had two answers. Anyone else agree?

bigmama · Member

Anonymous wrote:

Has anyone went to the review before to go over the questions and answers? And if so what are you allowed to do there. I read the DCAS guidelines but they are a little vague. I need an answer from someone who actually went to the review in person. What I want to know is that when at the review can you actually write down notes and bring with you at home to protest the questions?

What exactly can you do and can't you do. Because on DCAS web site it states you can bring material but you can't take notes. Then how are you going to fight something if you don't write it down.

Please someone explain what exactly can be done there? Please elobarate in detail.

yes can someone advise as to what actually goes on there??? confused

cdm115 · Veteran Member

You can bring materials into the session, you can't take anything out and you can't take notes. Would anyone notice if you wrote little notes in your P.G.? Probably not.

When you go in they give you a copy of the test and the answer key and they give you quadrupilate sheets that you can write the protests on, you don't have to go home and write them. They've also always done photo copies of the PG pages for me. Sometimes the classrooms are quiet and people work independently, and sometimes people in the classes work together to write up as many protests as possible from as many different angles.

Date: Jan 30, 2008

I just farted

Gonzo66 · Veteran Member

Thank You CDM115...big help...it sounds like those protesting have a challenge ahead of them. If you know...What is the basic premise by which a question is discarded? what is the standard of proof? Who decides?

waiting · Member

hahaha

Date: Jan 31, 2008

Do these DCAS people think we are psychic!!!!!!!! How are we suppose to protest a question if we can't write down notes. If we wanted to go home and protest a question then we are out of luck.

Does anyone know how much time they give us to protest? Can someone pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeeee be specific about the procedures. Someone in the earlier thread wrote that they make copies of the PG pages for you. Did you mean for the protest?

For those who chose to protest as a group then can we protest as a group? How does the seating work?

Some please who has protested before give an indepth answer so we can be better prepared for what's coming. Thank You

bigmama · Member

i guess you didnt notice, but i posted the exact procedure in its own topic called "How to protest Questions - The procedure"
Go read it.

cdm115 · Veteran Member

You're directed to a room and can pretty much sit anywhere you want. You have 6 hours from the start time of the protest session and can leave whenever you are done. The session is really designed that you're supposed to write the questions while there, though you can certainly submit one later.

The benefit of working as a group is that there are then multiple protests of a question, or you can try to protest a question for different reasons. If you work alone though, you can go through much quicker.

I have no idea who they decide which to throwout or double answer. I wrote one once, where none of the answers were correct according to the PG, it was thrown out.

As for the copies, they make copies of the procedures to submit with the protest. So you'll write up the protest on the quadruplicate sheet and submit a copy of the PG procedure with it. They should have their own copy of the PG, but who wants to take a chance.

You only have like a week to submit for an appt for the protest session, so make sure you send in your letters.

Date: Feb 1, 2008

What about the first of the two missing questions?

It asked for a PS duty but if I remember correctly, the answer choices did not have any PS duties.

Anyone else remember?

champ939 · Veteran Member

question # 3?????

I would like to see how many others, fell victim to the change sheet on the in basket.. I take full responsibility for not reading the whole sheet.. I was to focused on the test, and since my proctors didn't mention a question being changed i just went full steam ahead. I would like to know how many others, missed number 3, due to this fact.... please post or private message me thanks... so I will try my best to protest it, even though im the tart who didn't read the sheet....

unborn · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

What about the first of the two missing questions?

It asked for a PS duty but if I remember correctly, the answer choices did not have any PS duties.

Anyone else remember?

The answer was very easy. If you register and pm me i'll tell ya what it was.

tomcat · Newbie

im in for the protest group how do i go about joining ?????

tomcat · Newbie

how do i go about getting a list of the questions from the 2008 sgts test...so i know exactly what im protesting......

WhatElse · Veteran Member

Go to the protest session and they will give you a copy of the test, you can bring your patrol guide with you.

al3181 · Veteran Member

Can I go to protest session if I didn't register? When and where is it anyhow?

Dee2610 · Newbie

Where is the protest section?

Gonzo66 · Veteran Member

28 wrong i am still protesting...anyone have any questions that should be thrown out let me know so I could start my research now...please do not post the question, just the number or IM the question.

al3181 · Veteran Member

51, 46, 47, 81, 82, 84, 86

TITO · Veteran Member

I SHOULD'VE LISTEN, THE ANSWER KEY WAS OFF. NOW WHEN DO WE KNOW ABOUT THE ANSWERS THAT ARE GOING TO BE TROWN OUT? AND WHICH ARE THE ANSWERS THEY ARE FIGHTING? 81,82,84 AND 86 SOUNDS GOOD TO ME. BELIEVE ME, I NEED THEM.