Shame on the SBA, corrupt to the core, vote these clowns out
fiftyfouredp said
Jun 7, 2023
So, if the SBA reaches a deal with the city, would we receive retro pay if say some sgts were not at top pay and were out earned by cops at any point since 2017?
-- Edited by fiftyfouredp on Wednesday 19th of March 2025 05:24:58 PM
-- Edited by fiftyfouredp on Thursday 17th of April 2025 02:05:57 AM
-- Edited by fiftyfouredp on Tuesday 3rd of June 2025 06:35:27 PM
VetteCop said
Jun 8, 2023
great question... just silence from the SBA
fiftyfouredp said
Jun 8, 2023
Best reason to pass the Lt exam was to get out of the SBA.
Taketheday said
Jun 8, 2023
I was actually told by someone in SBA today on this exact issue that supposedly as of now that retro will only be based on the percentages that are being given for ur time as a SGT that you were out of contract. So for instance if we get 3% from 2021 and 3.5% for 2022 etc you would receive retro for whatever ur SGT salary was in those years plus those numbers, however the PBA making more than SBA members is not going to be fixed as of now, I was hoping all new SGT would also be adjusted to make more than PBA members current top pay but as of the last meeting in May the only raises and retro being given out will be based on the new % from the contract from 2021 or 2022 not sure exactly which one till now. For anyone to get retro or a pay adjustment for any other issue, it seems like you would need to sue because the City and the Union will not fix it otherwise.
-- Edited by Taketheday on Thursday 8th of June 2023 01:05:28 AM
Braveheart said
Jun 8, 2023
fiftyfouredp wrote:
Best reason to pass the Lt exam was to get out of the SBA.
I don't think the LBA is any better.
VetteCop said
Jun 8, 2023
Taketheday wrote:
I was actually told by someone in SBA today on this exact issue that supposedly as of now that retro will only be based on the percentages that are being given for ur time as a SGT that you were out of contract. So for instance if we get 3% from 2021 and 3.5% for 2022 etc you would receive retro for whatever ur SGT salary was in those years plus those numbers, however the PBA making more than SBA members is not going to be fixed as of now, I was hoping all new SGT would also be adjusted to make more than PBA members current top pay but as of the last meeting in May the only raises and retro being given out will be based on the new % from the contract from 2021 or 2022 not sure exactly which one till now. For anyone to get retro or a pay adjustment for any other issue, it seems like you would need to sue because the City and the Union will not fix it otherwise.
-- Edited by Taketheday on Thursday 8th of June 2023 01:05:28 AM
What kind of numbers are we talking for each step here?
Taketheday said
Jun 8, 2023
VetteCop wrote:
Taketheday wrote:
I was actually told by someone in SBA today on this exact issue that supposedly as of now that retro will only be based on the percentages that are being given for ur time as a SGT that you were out of contract. So for instance if we get 3% from 2021 and 3.5% for 2022 etc you would receive retro for whatever ur SGT salary was in those years plus those numbers, however the PBA making more than SBA members is not going to be fixed as of now, I was hoping all new SGT would also be adjusted to make more than PBA members current top pay but as of the last meeting in May the only raises and retro being given out will be based on the new % from the contract from 2021 or 2022 not sure exactly which one till now. For anyone to get retro or a pay adjustment for any other issue, it seems like you would need to sue because the City and the Union will not fix it otherwise.
-- Edited by Taketheday on Thursday 8th of June 2023 01:05:28 AM
What kind of numbers are we talking for each step here?
I was told similar to what the PBA got I don't know exact numbers. We are out of Contract since December 9 2021, I believe so I could maybe see 2022 and 2023 being a 3.5 and 4 possibly to help new SGT catch up somewhat to PBA top pay, but thats just a guess on my part. But I do know the pay disparity has been a big part of the negotiations along with 12 Hour Tours and Chart Time. So The union may appease new Bosses by getting us a big bump through the first 2 years but again just a guess on my part.
No1isbetter said
Jun 8, 2023
Its on the SBA site. The chart is literally right there.
VetteCop said
Jun 9, 2023
No1isbetter wrote:
Its on the SBA site. The chart is literally right there.
with the prospective numbers?
trying to find it
Spanish mama said
Jun 9, 2023
Try clicking the big red bar that says Pay Differential Chart. They could not have made it any easier.
-- Edited by Spanish mama on Friday 9th of June 2023 03:24:48 AM
Richie said
Jun 9, 2023
How reliable is that chart? Wouldnt a cop getting promoted after July 21, 2023 go from $105,146 (PO top pay) to $105,606 (Step 5 Sgt) because of that rule where you cant make less than you previously made?
Broccoli said
Jun 9, 2023
Yes. Which is why the sba pres sent out that email to the guys that just got promoted.
fiftyfouredp said
Jun 9, 2023
Richie wrote:
How reliable is that chart? Wouldnt a cop getting promoted after July 21, 2023 go from $105,146 (PO top pay) to $105,606 (Step 5 Sgt) because of that rule where you cant make less than you previously made?
Yeah this is what im saying. Are they going to hold the new bosses there for 5 years? And guys promoted before the 1/30/22 contract and not at top pay are they going straight to current sgt top pay? The 105,606 step doesnt exist for us, we just jump from 97,894 to 118,056.
it would make the most sense to me that guys promoted before 1/30/22 will immediately go to the current top pay regardless. The current top pay will probably be the 1st entry step for new sgts.
Broccoli said
Jun 9, 2023
No. Current sgt pay will not get fixed. Again this is why that email was sent out. It's a big deal for those getting promoted after July 21.
Current sgts will just get the raise. No bump in steps.
Taketheday said
Jun 9, 2023
Broccoli wrote:
No. Current sgt pay will not get fixed. Again this is why that email was sent out. It's a big deal for those getting promoted after July 21.
Current sgts will just get the raise. No bump in steps.
Correct they will not adjust the steps, the SBA wanted to and it seems that the City will not agree so new SGT will get the % raises and thats pretty much it. Even though an option was to push new SGT to the last step before top pay and hold them there for 5 years, that doesn't seem to be happening either. All the more reason to get promoted to LT, just a shame but much like everything else it will take a lawsuit or a grievance being filed to get this fixed unfortunately.
Futureauxiliary said
Jun 9, 2023
Taketheday wrote:
Broccoli wrote:
No. Current sgt pay will not get fixed. Again this is why that email was sent out. It's a big deal for those getting promoted after July 21.
Current sgts will just get the raise. No bump in steps.
Correct they will not adjust the steps, the SBA wanted to and it seems that the City will not agree so new SGT will get the % raises and thats pretty much it. Even though an option was to push new SGT to the last step before top pay and hold them there for 5 years, that doesn't seem to be happening either. All the more reason to get promoted to LT, just a shame but much like everything else it will take a lawsuit or a grievance being filed to get this fixed unfortunately.
So new Sgts are going to top pay and the ones promoted prior to this last promo are getting the short end of stick. Im pretty sure this happened before and that lawsuit went no where.
VetteCop said
Jun 10, 2023
i found the chart... basically anybody who wasn't previously a detective prior to promo and/or @ step 5 or higher will make less than a top pay cop.
how could the union ever agree to something like that, and why would anybody take the rank for less pay and less overtime? The %'s agreed upon clearly need to be higher than PO. Why would ANY sergeant promoted after 1/2022 EVER vote yes?!
sick rank. sick union.
Richie said
Jun 10, 2023
Are sergeants in BMOC right now making 96 or 105?
HopeBoss said
Jun 10, 2023
Richie wrote:
Are sergeants in BMOC right now making 96 or 105?
105
No1isbetter said
Jun 10, 2023
Come Simeone explain to me how newly promoted Sergeants are at $105k right now? And why wouldnt this apply to all Sergeants regardless of when they were promoted in the last year plus
fiftyfouredp said
Jun 10, 2023
VetteCop wrote:
i found the chart... basically anybody who wasn't previously a detective prior to promo and/or @ step 5 or higher will make less than a top pay cop.
how could the union ever agree to something like that, and why would anybody take the rank for less pay and less overtime? The %'s agreed upon clearly need to be higher than PO. Why would ANY sergeant promoted after 1/2022 EVER vote yes?!
sick rank. sick union.
This applies to all sgts not at top pay currently
Futureauxiliary said
Jun 10, 2023
fiftyfouredp wrote:
VetteCop wrote:
i found the chart... basically anybody who wasn't previously a detective prior to promo and/or @ step 5 or higher will make less than a top pay cop.
how could the union ever agree to something like that, and why would anybody take the rank for less pay and less overtime? The %'s agreed upon clearly need to be higher than PO. Why would ANY sergeant promoted after 1/2022 EVER vote yes?!
sick rank. sick union.
This applies to all sgts not at top pay currently
i got promoted last year im pretty sure im currently not at 105.
No1isbetter said
Jun 10, 2023
Correct were definitely NOT at 105. $3688.63 x 26 = $96k only thing helping is 15 year longevity, a $2100 raise which is more than first 3 years combined.
fiftyfouredp said
Jun 10, 2023
Futureauxiliary wrote:
fiftyfouredp wrote:
VetteCop wrote:
i found the chart... basically anybody who wasn't previously a detective prior to promo and/or @ step 5 or higher will make less than a top pay cop.
how could the union ever agree to something like that, and why would anybody take the rank for less pay and less overtime? The %'s agreed upon clearly need to be higher than PO. Why would ANY sergeant promoted after 1/2022 EVER vote yes?!
sick rank. sick union.
This applies to all sgts not at top pay currently
i got promoted last year im pretty sure im currently not at 105.
right, because no one is at the 4th step yet from the new contract. so basically any sgt not at top pay is sitting at 96,000, not just those promoted since 1/30/22
VetteCop said
Jun 11, 2023
My point still stands. Why would anybody vote yes? Aside from the dinosaurs looking to retire.
Vote yes. Then imminent lawsuit. Why? Just iron it out now.
NauseousPBBN said
Jun 11, 2023
Same reason we continuously keep getting shafted on contracts. Everyone you speak to says they will vote no, meanwhile its 90%+ vote yes and then blame the union.
We are our own worst enemies.
Bklynsouth3020 said
Jun 11, 2023
Where do we stand on the non PBA unions fixing their pay scales to adjust for the new PO raise? Ive had several people including an SBA rep say that its going to get done soon. Anyone here been a part of those talks?
Spanish mama said
Jun 11, 2023
All I know is PBA rep that came by where I work voiced different numbers from what is posted on that chart. The number stated was 160.
Taketheday said
Jun 11, 2023
Spanish mama wrote:
All I know is PBA rep that came by where I work voiced different numbers from what is posted on that chart. The number stated was 160.
That 160 number is if you are a top pay SGT with 20 years on the job
Spanish mama said
Jun 11, 2023
Thats not the number on the chart
Bklynsouth3020 said
Jun 11, 2023
I answered my own question. Front page of the SBA website vallelong on June 1 said they are close to a new contract but they have to discuss details like 12 hour tours. Well see
Spanish mama said
Jun 11, 2023
Taketheday wrote:
Spanish mama wrote:
All I know is PBA rep that came by where I work voiced different numbers from what is posted on that chart. The number stated was 160.
That 160 number is if you are a top pay SGT with 20 years on the job
I see what you are saying. The chart is for people promoted after 1/30/22. Im currently top pay with over 15. So 160 sounds possible.
UncleC69 said
Jun 11, 2023
-Uncle
-- Edited by UncleC69 on Sunday 11th of June 2023 06:41:07 PM
saharadesert23 said
Jun 12, 2023
i heard the sgts in bmoc were making 96 and not 105
Broccoli said
Jun 12, 2023
Spoke to a friend yesterday. The sba spoke at bmoc and they are getting step 4. I thought I had it figured out. I know nothing.
Taketheday said
Jun 12, 2023
Broccoli wrote:
Spoke to a friend yesterday. The sba spoke at bmoc and they are getting step 4. I thought I had it figured out. I know nothing.
Does this apply to all new SGT or just the group in BMOC?
TransitCop said
Jun 12, 2023
Broccoli wrote:
Spoke to a friend yesterday. The sba spoke at bmoc and they are getting step 4. I thought I had it figured out. I know nothing.
How much is step 4?
Braveheart said
Jun 12, 2023
TransitCop wrote:
Broccoli wrote:
Spoke to a friend yesterday. The sba spoke at bmoc and they are getting step 4. I thought I had it figured out. I know nothing.
How much is step 4?
Step 4 is $105000. So now rookie Sergeants are making more then Sergeants with 3 years or less in rank.
NoCD said
Jun 12, 2023
Braveheart wrote:
TransitCop wrote:
Broccoli wrote:
Spoke to a friend yesterday. The sba spoke at bmoc and they are getting step 4. I thought I had it figured out. I know nothing.
How much is step 4?
Step 4 is $105000. So now rookie Sergeants are making more then Sergeants with 3 years or less in rank.
Spoke to a friend yesterday. The sba spoke at bmoc and they are getting step 4. I thought I had it figured out. I know nothing.
How much is step 4?
Step 4 is $105000. So now rookie Sergeants are making more then Sergeants with 3 years or less in rank.
This happened last sgts list as well. I think SBA sued the city over it and ended up keeping them for 4 years at step 4 while everyone else took the hit. But it shouldnt matter as much this time since new starting pay is going to be way over 105,000 anyway and everyone will get a bump.
-- Edited by fiftyfouredp on Monday 12th of June 2023 03:08:05 PM
LT4LIFE said
Jun 12, 2023
They cant legally keep you at 1 step for more than a year. This happened the last time the PBA settled their contract in 2017. Cops were making more than rookie Sergeants so they bumped all the sergeants to 4th step so they would be making more. SBA ended up suing the city for this and every Sergeant who was stuck at step 4 for a few years ended up getting a huge retro check for the years they were not making top pay after they were bumped.
NauseousPBBN said
Jun 12, 2023
It was negotiated with the last contract. You will be held at your step.
Taketheday said
Jun 12, 2023
NauseousPBBN wrote:
It was negotiated with the last contract. You will be held at your step.
Held at what step? You mean you get bumped to step 4 and held there for 4 years? Or get held at whatever step you are currently at without an adjustment.
VetteCop said
Jun 12, 2023
Step 5 is 105k.
Any detective promoted after 1/2022 went to step 5. Unless they had 5 years in rank. Then they went to step 6 (top pay)
Any detective at step 5 must complete 4 years in rank to get to top pay and are frozen at step 5 for those 4 years. Easy way to think of it is that everybody in the same BMOC class hits top pay at the same time. This was agreed upon when the last contact was voted on. Shafted a few hundred detectives. Maybe more.
fiftyfouredp said
Jun 12, 2023
So everyone should be at 105 or 118 now, right?
Taketheday said
Jun 12, 2023
We are not all at 105 base we are still at 96 base. If any of this is true it wont happen until they settle. If everyone jumped to 105 you would have noticed a difference in pay unless it literally just happened and its taking 2 pay periods.
NauseousPBBN said
Jun 12, 2023
You guys are mixing up sgts promoted before the pba contract with sgts in current bmoc, different scenarios
countryroads said
Jun 13, 2023
It has been confirmed by Labor Relations that all Sergeants promoted this past May 30th will be jumping to step 5, and staying at step 5 for 5 years (top pay is step 6). This will be reflected beginning on the July 21st paycheck when the PBA retro hits and the new raises kick in. Unfortunately, those promoted before the PBA settled will be going through steps 1-5 normally. The SBA is working to fix these discrepancies. The best advice is to be patient, and call Labor Relations if you want specific details about your situation.
TransitCop said
Jun 13, 2023
Fantastic Ill be making $10K less then cops Im supervising for two more damn years.
-- Edited by TransitCop on Tuesday 13th of June 2023 01:42:17 AM
VetteCop said
Jun 13, 2023
countryroads wrote:
It has been confirmed by Labor Relations that all Sergeants promoted this past May 30th will be jumping to step 5, and staying at step 5 for 5 years (top pay is step 6). This will be reflected beginning on the July 21st paycheck when the PBA retro hits and the new raises kick in. Unfortunately, those promoted before the PBA settled will be going through steps 1-5 normally. The SBA is working to fix these discrepancies. The best advice is to be patient, and call Labor Relations if you want specific details about your situation.
step 5 for 4 completed years...
again you have to complete 4 years to get to top pay
So, if the SBA reaches a deal with the city, would we receive retro pay if say some sgts were not at top pay and were out earned by cops at any point since 2017?
-- Edited by fiftyfouredp on Wednesday 19th of March 2025 05:24:58 PM
-- Edited by fiftyfouredp on Thursday 17th of April 2025 02:05:57 AM
-- Edited by fiftyfouredp on Tuesday 3rd of June 2025 06:35:27 PM
I was actually told by someone in SBA today on this exact issue that supposedly as of now that retro will only be based on the percentages that are being given for ur time as a SGT that you were out of contract. So for instance if we get 3% from 2021 and 3.5% for 2022 etc you would receive retro for whatever ur SGT salary was in those years plus those numbers, however the PBA making more than SBA members is not going to be fixed as of now, I was hoping all new SGT would also be adjusted to make more than PBA members current top pay but as of the last meeting in May the only raises and retro being given out will be based on the new % from the contract from 2021 or 2022 not sure exactly which one till now. For anyone to get retro or a pay adjustment for any other issue, it seems like you would need to sue because the City and the Union will not fix it otherwise.
-- Edited by Taketheday on Thursday 8th of June 2023 01:05:28 AM
I don't think the LBA is any better.
What kind of numbers are we talking for each step here?
I was told similar to what the PBA got I don't know exact numbers. We are out of Contract since December 9 2021, I believe so I could maybe see 2022 and 2023 being a 3.5 and 4 possibly to help new SGT catch up somewhat to PBA top pay, but thats just a guess on my part. But I do know the pay disparity has been a big part of the negotiations along with 12 Hour Tours and Chart Time. So The union may appease new Bosses by getting us a big bump through the first 2 years but again just a guess on my part.
with the prospective numbers?
trying to find it
Try clicking the big red bar that says Pay Differential Chart. They could not have made it any easier.
-- Edited by Spanish mama on Friday 9th of June 2023 03:24:48 AM
Yeah this is what im saying. Are they going to hold the new bosses there for 5 years? And guys promoted before the 1/30/22 contract and not at top pay are they going straight to current sgt top pay? The 105,606 step doesnt exist for us, we just jump from 97,894 to 118,056.
it would make the most sense to me that guys promoted before 1/30/22 will immediately go to the current top pay regardless. The current top pay will probably be the 1st entry step for new sgts.
Current sgts will just get the raise. No bump in steps.
Correct they will not adjust the steps, the SBA wanted to and it seems that the City will not agree so new SGT will get the % raises and thats pretty much it. Even though an option was to push new SGT to the last step before top pay and hold them there for 5 years, that doesn't seem to be happening either. All the more reason to get promoted to LT, just a shame but much like everything else it will take a lawsuit or a grievance being filed to get this fixed unfortunately.
So new Sgts are going to top pay and the ones promoted prior to this last promo are getting the short end of stick. Im pretty sure this happened before and that lawsuit went no where.
how could the union ever agree to something like that, and why would anybody take the rank for less pay and less overtime? The %'s agreed upon clearly need to be higher than PO. Why would ANY sergeant promoted after 1/2022 EVER vote yes?!
sick rank. sick union.
105
This applies to all sgts not at top pay currently
i got promoted last year im pretty sure im currently not at 105.
right, because no one is at the 4th step yet from the new contract. so basically any sgt not at top pay is sitting at 96,000, not just those promoted since 1/30/22
Vote yes. Then imminent lawsuit. Why? Just iron it out now.
We are our own worst enemies.
That 160 number is if you are a top pay SGT with 20 years on the job
I see what you are saying. The chart is for people promoted after 1/30/22. Im currently top pay with over 15. So 160 sounds possible.
-Uncle
-- Edited by UncleC69 on Sunday 11th of June 2023 06:41:07 PM
Does this apply to all new SGT or just the group in BMOC?
How much is step 4?
Step 4 is $105000. So now rookie Sergeants are making more then Sergeants with 3 years or less in rank.
Isnt step 5 is 105? Step 4 is 97
This happened last sgts list as well. I think SBA sued the city over it and ended up keeping them for 4 years at step 4 while everyone else took the hit. But it shouldnt matter as much this time since new starting pay is going to be way over 105,000 anyway and everyone will get a bump.
-- Edited by fiftyfouredp on Monday 12th of June 2023 03:08:05 PM
Held at what step? You mean you get bumped to step 4 and held there for 4 years? Or get held at whatever step you are currently at without an adjustment.
Any detective promoted after 1/2022 went to step 5. Unless they had 5 years in rank. Then they went to step 6 (top pay)
Any detective at step 5 must complete 4 years in rank to get to top pay and are frozen at step 5 for those 4 years. Easy way to think of it is that everybody in the same BMOC class hits top pay at the same time. This was agreed upon when the last contact was voted on. Shafted a few hundred detectives. Maybe more.
Fantastic Ill be making $10K less then cops Im supervising for two more damn years.
-- Edited by TransitCop on Tuesday 13th of June 2023 01:42:17 AM
step 5 for 4 completed years...
again you have to complete 4 years to get to top pay