Hey guys, current boss on the job here. I am very sorry for what happened. I know the painful feeling of adapting your entire life, pushing aside people and things you love for this test to feel like you were cheated.
I briefly thought about something that may help ?
Probably not the best idea but may help at least a good amount.
Those looking to take legal action, perhaps maybe you guys can FOIL request the pass rates from day 2 test takers. Then find out the average score of day 1 and day 2, then however much higher the passing score rate for day 2 was, add that avg to day 1 test takers ?
I know its not a fix, but perhaps it can help even if its just a small amount.
Tony Rags and Ed of Rising Star, Key school instructors ?
What do you guys think ?
-- Edited by TenFour16 on Sunday 7th of August 2022 05:42:08 AM
Jibberjab said
Aug 7, 2022
I'm hoping you are a PO bc I don't see how a supv could even suggest this. The fairness of the exam has nothing to do with the day 1 vs day 2. The test was what the test was. If you studied you passed. If you went day 2 and had answers yes you had an unfair advantage compared to day 1 people but that had nothing to do with how the test was written and the questions on it. This is the same as all the scammers who take the make up and have answers. This has been a problem for a while now, but it's usually been limited to small number who take the make up tests. Maybe dept will wake up now and give 2 versions. But no your idea will never happen.
TenFour16 said
Aug 7, 2022
It happened with the last Sergeants exam in some ways. The last exam was curved using a formula based on the difficulty of the different/makeup exams given. So I wouldnt say it will never happen. Look back at posts from the founders of Rising Star who elaborated on this on these exact forums.
Main issue will be that the honest test takers on day 2 who did not cheat will be screwed, since if they scored the same as a day 1 test taker, the day 1 exam taker will then have additional points added.
-- Edited by TenFour16 on Sunday 7th of August 2022 05:51:29 AM
countryroads said
Aug 7, 2022
Yeah, as unfair as it may be, I'm quite confident that literally nothing is going to happen. While there will definitely be some successfully protested questions, the list will be established as usual and absolutely nothing else changes. All the gossip about the whole test being thrown out, people being collared/fired, 2nd day folks having to take a new exam, curves for only day 1, etc etc, are all complete nonsense and will not happen.
I do however still think we should put up the fight, for the sake of future exams. The fall-out from this exam may end up being a tipping point for the job and DCAS to make some adjustments going forward.
-- Edited by countryroads on Sunday 7th of August 2022 05:57:17 AM
TenFour16 said
Aug 7, 2022
I get the frustration, totally get it. But the 2015 guys had success in fighting and got some changes made. You just never know. Band together and put up a fight.
Passit100 said
Aug 7, 2022
It's worth a shot.....we all put in so much time and sacrificed time from our families for this.
NauseousPBBN said
Aug 7, 2022
I think everyone is stuck on the cheating but are ignoring that the exam on day 2 was significantly more straightforward than day 1. People who had no idea about the previous days exam, walked out thinking it wasn't bad at all.
That is why you need the averages of both days, cheating aside.
ROCKY IV SKIN said
Aug 7, 2022
:::::::: BREAKING NEWS :::::::
Talks are in place with DCAS and top NYPD Brass.
As the number of allegations of cheating and widespread corruption with the 2022 sergeants exam # 2538. The exam will be NULL at the authority of DCAS Dawn M. Pinnock commissioner of DCAS.
In order to keep replacing the number of sergeants that were promoted to Lieutenant, and retirees within the rank. DCAS offered the previous list exam # 6540 administered in 2017 with the list of members of the service who scored a raw score of 49 to 70 to be placed in line for promotion until a new sergeants exam can be in place.
Meeting taking place on Monday 8/8 at 1 Centre Street. Manahattan with all involved.
Stay tuned for further updates.
Passit100 said
Aug 7, 2022
ROCKY IV SKIN wrote:
:::::::: BREAKING NEWS :::::::
Talks are in place with DCAS and top NYPD Brass.
As the number of allegations of cheating and widespread corruption with the 2022 sergeants exam # 2538. The exam will be NULL at the authority of DCAS Dawn M. Pinnock commissioner of DCAS.
In order to keep replacing the number of sergeants that were promoted to Lieutenant, and retirees within the rank. DCAS offered the previous list exam # 6540 administered in 2017 with the list of members of the service who scored a raw score of 49 to 70 to be placed in line for promotion until a new sergeants exam can be in place.
Meeting taking place on Monday 8/8 at 1 Centre Street. Manahattan with all involved.
Stay tuned for further updates.
Guess this is going around
Hennigans404 said
Aug 7, 2022
Passit100 wrote:
ROCKY IV SKIN wrote:
:::::::: BREAKING NEWS :::::::
Talks are in place with DCAS and top NYPD Brass.
As the number of allegations of cheating and widespread corruption with the 2022 sergeants exam # 2538. The exam will be NULL at the authority of DCAS Dawn M. Pinnock commissioner of DCAS.
In order to keep replacing the number of sergeants that were promoted to Lieutenant, and retirees within the rank. DCAS offered the previous list exam # 6540 administered in 2017 with the list of members of the service who scored a raw score of 49 to 70 to be placed in line for promotion until a new sergeants exam can be in place.
Meeting taking place on Monday 8/8 at 1 Centre Street. Manahattan with all involved.
Stay tuned for further updates.
Guess this is going around
Its truly like high school all over again with the rumors.
VetteCop said
Aug 7, 2022
Could that even happen lol
49-70 would add like 2000 more people to the 2017 list or more
No way they get through that by the end of January...
Jman825 said
Aug 7, 2022
Show us and attach a link or its fake. Show proof
Tier3scum said
Aug 7, 2022
Youre insane if you think thats even remotely real. If you are hearing it in a breaking news text message and not getting something in your email or the actual mail. Its not real
fiftyfouredp said
Aug 8, 2022
People who literally filled in the "A" column for the entire exam to be promoted lol
VetteCop said
Aug 8, 2022
BREAKING NEWS:
DUE TO UNDENIABLE CIRCUMSTANCES, THE ENTIRETY OF THE 2022 TEST TAKING BODY WILL BE CONSIDERED FOR PROMOTION REGARDLESS OF SCORE. THE LIST WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 12,000 NAMES LONG AND WILL BE EMERGENCY EXTENDED THREE (3) YEARS TO INSURE ALL ARE PROMOTED.
I believe, and I could be wrong on this, DCAS has full control over the civil service process and we cant appeal to the state. Every other local jurisdiction can if it violates civil service law with the exception for us. This is why our department doesnt require the universal fitness test given by every other department within the state. Again I could be wrong but thats how it was explained to me years back.
HousingStairwell said
Aug 8, 2022
ROCKY IV SKIN wrote:
:::::::: BREAKING NEWS :::::::
Talks are in place with DCAS and top NYPD Brass.
As the number of allegations of cheating and widespread corruption with the 2022 sergeants exam # 2538. The exam will be NULL at the authority of DCAS Dawn M. Pinnock commissioner of DCAS.
In order to keep replacing the number of sergeants that were promoted to Lieutenant, and retirees within the rank. DCAS offered the previous list exam # 6540 administered in 2017 with the list of members of the service who scored a raw score of 49 to 70 to be placed in line for promotion until a new sergeants exam can be in place.
Meeting taking place on Monday 8/8 at 1 Centre Street. Manahattan with all involved.
Stay tuned for further updates.
This sounds like whats app breaking news but we will see.
LeggoMyEggo said
Aug 8, 2022
A step towards the solution.
Share thoughts to the agency who is responsible. Tag whoever you would like to make aware. i.e. The Mayor, City Hall, the Police Commissioner, News Outlets, etc.
Promoting people that don't deserve to be promoted, even with the low standards we have, would be a huge risk for the department. They would rather not promote at all and continue with the rising vacancies.
cdubnypd said
Aug 8, 2022
Has anyone discussed the possibility of having 2 lists?
1 list for the day 1 people and the other for the day 2 people.
If 50 people are to be promoted, take 25 from each list.
This helps the day 1 people so it doesnt take us years to get promoted or end up dying on the list.
Passit100 said
Aug 8, 2022
cdubnypd wrote:
Has anyone discussed the possibility of having 2 lists? 1 list for the day 1 people and the other for the day 2 people. If 50 people are to be promoted, take 25 from each list. This helps the day 1 people so it doesnt take us years to get promoted or end up dying on the list.
It doesn't negate the fact Day two ppl had a BIGGER ADVANTAGE than day one....that's not gunna help anybody there will still be waves
I believe, and I could be wrong on this, DCAS has full control over the civil service process and we cant appeal to the state. Every other local jurisdiction can if it violates civil service law with the exception for us. This is why our department doesnt require the universal fitness test given by every other department within the state. Again I could be wrong but thats how it was explained to me years back.
You are correct - DCAS oversees and controls all civil service exams and their processes for the City of NY which is separate and apart from the rest of NYS.
tomSGT2022 said
Aug 8, 2022
So if DCAS has complete control over the way they investigate and administer their list, why cant they throw out specific questions that showed a massive amount of people on Day 2 got right, vs a small amount of people on Day 1 getting the same question wrong?
So lets say the Bribery arrest supplement question i got wrong, and lets say 95% of people on day 1 got it wrong, but then only 25% of people got it wrong on Day 2, how is that fair?
GR5 said
Aug 8, 2022
This whole thing is a joke. Moral of the story is dont cheat but if you do you will get away with it.
Hey guys, current boss on the job here. I am very sorry for what happened. I know the painful feeling of adapting your entire life, pushing aside people and things you love for this test to feel like you were cheated.
I briefly thought about something that may help ?
Probably not the best idea but may help at least a good amount.
Those looking to take legal action, perhaps maybe you guys can FOIL request the pass rates from day 2 test takers. Then find out the average score of day 1 and day 2, then however much higher the passing score rate for day 2 was, add that avg to day 1 test takers ?
I know its not a fix, but perhaps it can help even if its just a small amount.
Tony Rags and Ed of Rising Star, Key school instructors ?
What do you guys think ?
-- Edited by TenFour16 on Sunday 7th of August 2022 05:42:08 AM
It happened with the last Sergeants exam in some ways. The last exam was curved using a formula based on the difficulty of the different/makeup exams given. So I wouldnt say it will never happen. Look back at posts from the founders of Rising Star who elaborated on this on these exact forums.
Main issue will be that the honest test takers on day 2 who did not cheat will be screwed, since if they scored the same as a day 1 test taker, the day 1 exam taker will then have additional points added.
-- Edited by TenFour16 on Sunday 7th of August 2022 05:51:29 AM
Yeah, as unfair as it may be, I'm quite confident that literally nothing is going to happen. While there will definitely be some successfully protested questions, the list will be established as usual and absolutely nothing else changes. All the gossip about the whole test being thrown out, people being collared/fired, 2nd day folks having to take a new exam, curves for only day 1, etc etc, are all complete nonsense and will not happen.
I do however still think we should put up the fight, for the sake of future exams. The fall-out from this exam may end up being a tipping point for the job and DCAS to make some adjustments going forward.
-- Edited by countryroads on Sunday 7th of August 2022 05:57:17 AM
That is why you need the averages of both days, cheating aside.
Talks are in place with DCAS and top NYPD Brass.
As the number of allegations of cheating and widespread corruption with the 2022 sergeants exam # 2538. The exam will be NULL at the authority of DCAS Dawn M. Pinnock commissioner of DCAS.
In order to keep replacing the number of sergeants that were promoted to Lieutenant, and retirees within the rank. DCAS offered the previous list exam # 6540 administered in 2017 with the list of members of the service who scored a raw score of 49 to 70 to be placed in line for promotion until a new sergeants exam can be in place.
Meeting taking place on Monday 8/8 at 1 Centre Street. Manahattan with all involved.
Stay tuned for further updates.
Guess this is going around
Its truly like high school all over again with the rumors.
49-70 would add like 2000 more people to the 2017 list or more
No way they get through that by the end of January...
Show us and attach a link or its fake. Show proof
DUE TO UNDENIABLE CIRCUMSTANCES, THE ENTIRETY OF THE 2022 TEST TAKING BODY WILL BE CONSIDERED FOR PROMOTION REGARDLESS OF SCORE. THE LIST WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 12,000 NAMES LONG AND WILL BE EMERGENCY EXTENDED THREE (3) YEARS TO INSURE ALL ARE PROMOTED.
- Authority of the Chief of Idiots.
I believe, and I could be wrong on this, DCAS has full control over the civil service process and we cant appeal to the state. Every other local jurisdiction can if it violates civil service law with the exception for us. This is why our department doesnt require the universal fitness test given by every other department within the state. Again I could be wrong but thats how it was explained to me years back.
This sounds like whats app breaking news but we will see.
A step towards the solution.
Share thoughts to the agency who is responsible.
Tag whoever you would like to make aware. i.e. The Mayor, City Hall, the Police Commissioner, News Outlets, etc.
DCAS Twitter:
https://twitter.com/nycdcas?s=11&t=1IMOuKwB5zknNLOW-3zMIQ
DCAS Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/nycdcas/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y%3D
DCAS Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/NYCDCAS
1 list for the day 1 people and the other for the day 2 people.
If 50 people are to be promoted, take 25 from each list.
This helps the day 1 people so it doesnt take us years to get promoted or end up dying on the list.
It doesn't negate the fact Day two ppl had a BIGGER ADVANTAGE than day one....that's not gunna help anybody there will still be waves
You are correct - DCAS oversees and controls all civil service exams and their processes for the City of NY which is separate and apart from the rest of NYS.
So lets say the Bribery arrest supplement question i got wrong, and lets say 95% of people on day 1 got it wrong, but then only 25% of people got it wrong on Day 2, how is that fair?