Another gem from their complaint is they ask for 6 questions to be tossed. Then the test to be regraded by the remaining 94 questions. This would give each a question higher point value and make it impossible for anyone currently with a 65 or lower to pass.
-- Edited by Devil Dog on Saturday 28th of May 2016 11:57:39 PM
DETSGT said
May 29, 2016
They also asked for free skittles for everyone that took the test on April 18th.
Sarge said
May 29, 2016
lol I highly doubt that is what their strategy is. Maybe this was misinterpreted, but I'm sure that by tossing the 6 questions, It would act like it has every other test when they toss questions.... In effect its not actually tossing the question, but making every answer right. So the right answer to question 106 would read ABCD.
Devil Dog said
May 29, 2016
Sarge wrote:
lol I highly doubt that is what their strategy is. Maybe this was misinterpreted, but I'm sure that by tossing the 6 questions, It would act like it has every other test when they toss questions.... In effect its not actually tossing the question, but making every answer right. So the right answer to question 106 would read ABCD.
It's 100% their strategy. It's states so in the complaint. Tvb is over, so its not possible to toss questions and still get credit for them. Questions would be tossed completley from the exam, and the exam regraded on 94 questions. States it 5x in legal paper work. All you have to do is read it.....
DETSGT said
May 29, 2016
Again civil service law states the judge cannot change or toss out specific questions. Her only option is to invalidate the entire test, which will open Pandora ' s box of lawsuits and counter lawsuits for this exam and all other city exams
CappedOut said
Jun 4, 2016
DETSGT wrote:
Again civil service law states the judge cannot change or toss out specific questions. Her only option is to invalidate the entire test, which will open Pandora ' s box of lawsuits and counter lawsuits for this exam and all other city exams
I don't think that's true ... They argued over specific questions at the last hearing.
I have no idea, but the way people that were there made it seem that way. they aren't suing for the list to be tossed out, since it's not in their complaint, so if that's the case wouldn't their lawsuit have been tossed already?
-- Edited by CappedOut on Saturday 4th of June 2016 01:13:29 AM
Failure163 said
Jun 7, 2016
New York civil service law, title a, section 50, section 7 pertains to court review of civil service exams. It reads that after the review process has determined what answers are acceptable, the answers cannot be subject to further review in court. The court can only review to determine if established review procedures were followed. I am paraphrasing, but you can check it out yourselF
Sarge said
Jun 7, 2016
and once the judge determines procedures werent followed, then what?
Failure163 said
Jun 7, 2016
I'm not sure, sarge. I didn't research that. I was only concerned with how civil service law pertained to actually throwing out specific questions and if the judge could legally do so under that law. If I have some down time today I'll read through it more and let you know if I find the answer for you.
Devil Dog said
Jun 7, 2016
Failure163 wrote:
New York civil service law, title a, section 50, section 7 pertains to court review of civil service exams. It reads that after the review process has determined what answers are acceptable, the answers cannot be subject to further review in court. The court can only review to determine if established review procedures were followed. I am paraphrasing, but you can check it out yourselF
Theyre going after the noe, not the questions specifically.
PD2FD said
Jun 9, 2016
Anyone have any updates on the lawsuit ???
I'm hearing the judge is looking to approve 5 out of the 6 questions to be thrown out. Now the city has to agree and approve it to move forward.
Failure163 said
Jun 9, 2016
I heard the same rumor spreading late last night in a Bronx precinct. I have no idea where it came from, no one would say....which makes me highly suspicious. I'm not getting my hopes up.
Sarge said
Jun 9, 2016
I heard the city lawyers already agreed. Just rumors at this point,nothing confirmed....
-- Edited by Sarge on Thursday 9th of June 2016 05:27:28 PM
Team J said
Jun 9, 2016
Sarge wrote:
I heard the city lawyers already agreed. Just rumors at this point,nothing confirmed....
-- Edited by Sarge on Thursday 9th of June 2016 05:27:28 PM
It is more then likely going happen. 5 out of the 6. Next week there should be some confirmation once the city officially signs off and agrees.
Tme97 said
Jun 9, 2016
Team J wrote:
Sarge wrote:
I heard the city lawyers already agreed. Just rumors at this point,nothing confirmed....
-- Edited by Sarge on Thursday 9th of June 2016 05:27:28 PM
It is more then likely going happen. 5 out of the 6. Next week there should be some confirmation once the city officially signs off and agrees.
Just out of curiosity, why are u confident that the city will agree to the settlement? Gut feeling? Or did you hear this from within the Department?
Centurion said
Jun 9, 2016
It's confirmed, the lawyers for"the 9" came to an agreement with DCAS in which 5 out of the 6 protested questions were thrown out; I don't know what 5 questions they were.This information is direct from someone who was involved. The judge in the case approved the agreement, and it will be finalized on Monday.
Team J said
Jun 9, 2016
Tme97 wrote:
Team J wrote:
Sarge wrote:
I heard the city lawyers already agreed. Just rumors at this point,nothing confirmed....
-- Edited by Sarge on Thursday 9th of June 2016 05:27:28 PM
It is more then likely going happen. 5 out of the 6. Next week there should be some confirmation once the city officially signs off and agrees.
Just out of curiosity, why are u confident that the city will agree to the settlement? Gut feeling? Or did you hear this from within the Department?
I heard this directly from people involved. It's my understanding the city wants to settle this and put a class of Lt's in for promotions on the 24th. There was an adjourned court date yesterday and one scheduled for Monday in which I believe the settlement will happen. Captains are scheduled for promotion on the 24th.
Team J said
Jun 9, 2016
Centurion wrote:
It's confirmed, the lawyers for"the 9" came to an agreement with DCAS in which 5 out of the 6 protested questions were thrown out; I don't know what 5 questions they were.This information is direct from someone who was involved. The judge in the case approved the agreement, and it will be finalized on Monday.
Correct . I wasn't confirming anything until it was offically signed off.
karatekid said
Jun 9, 2016
The questions that are supposed to be thrown out are 17,18,27,59, 61.
karatekid said
Jun 9, 2016
Good luck to everyone!
Tme97 said
Jun 9, 2016
Hope u guys are right. I heard city didnt agree as of yet.
common sense said
Jun 9, 2016
I say lets wait and see before we get our hopes up. i think i speak for everyone when i say we want an end to this madness.
LtTest2015 said
Jun 9, 2016
What "Tme97" said...... Heard they were on the fense about a settlement. Well see. They must give the judge an answer within two days as of yesterday. So Monday it should be know.
Devil Dog said
Jun 9, 2016
Nothing is confirmed, yet.
Bigguy69 said
Jun 9, 2016
59 and 61 were the CCRG ?
GDASSCLUB said
Jun 9, 2016
Is it going to be graded out of 95 or 100?
Bigguy69 said
Jun 9, 2016
Does anyone know if CCRG or operation orders were ever tested on previous exams ?
LtTest2015 said
Jun 9, 2016
How about before asking a thousand questions and flooding this site with hearsay we wait until a decision is made.
Tme97 said
Jun 9, 2016
LtTest2015 wrote:
How about before asking a thousand questions and flooding this site with hearsay we wait until a decision is made.
100 percent agree...nothing is confirmed yet...
mjehangir96 said
Jun 9, 2016
LTTest2015 AKA Sgt2be(former) is absolutely correct.
common sense said
Jun 9, 2016
Wait and see before u guys go buying any white shirts.
LtTest2015 said
Jun 9, 2016
Sgt2be ? I did have a name in the past for the Sgt test in 2011 and made this one after forgetting password but it wasn't sgt2be?
Devil Dog said
Jun 9, 2016
mjehangir96 wrote:
LTTest2015 AKA Sgt2be(former) is absolutely correct.
Another gem from their complaint is they ask for 6 questions to be tossed. Then the test to be regraded by the remaining 94 questions. This would give each a question higher point value and make it impossible for anyone currently with a 65 or lower to pass.
-- Edited by Devil Dog on Saturday 28th of May 2016 11:57:39 PM
lol I highly doubt that is what their strategy is. Maybe this was misinterpreted, but I'm sure that by tossing the 6 questions, It would act like it has every other test when they toss questions.... In effect its not actually tossing the question, but making every answer right. So the right answer to question 106 would read ABCD.
It's 100% their strategy. It's states so in the complaint. Tvb is over, so its not possible to toss questions and still get credit for them. Questions would be tossed completley from the exam, and the exam regraded on 94 questions. States it 5x in legal paper work. All you have to do is read it.....
I don't think that's true ... They argued over specific questions at the last hearing.
I have no idea, but the way people that were there made it seem that way. they aren't suing for the list to be tossed out, since it's not in their complaint, so if that's the case wouldn't their lawsuit have been tossed already?
-- Edited by CappedOut on Saturday 4th of June 2016 01:13:29 AM
New York civil service law, title a, section 50, section 7 pertains to court review of civil service exams. It reads that after the review process has determined what answers are acceptable, the answers cannot be subject to further review in court. The court can only review to determine if established review procedures were followed. I am paraphrasing, but you can check it out yourselF
and once the judge determines procedures werent followed, then what?
I'm not sure, sarge. I didn't research that. I was only concerned with how civil service law pertained to actually throwing out specific questions and if the judge could legally do so under that law. If I have some down time today I'll read through it more and let you know if I find the answer for you.
Theyre going after the noe, not the questions specifically.
I'm hearing the judge is looking to approve 5 out of the 6 questions to be thrown out. Now the city has to agree and approve it to move forward.
I heard the city lawyers already agreed. Just rumors at this point,nothing confirmed....
-- Edited by Sarge on Thursday 9th of June 2016 05:27:28 PM
It is more then likely going happen. 5 out of the 6. Next week there should be some confirmation once the city officially signs off and agrees.
Just out of curiosity, why are u confident that the city will agree to the settlement? Gut feeling? Or did you hear this from within the Department?
I heard this directly from people involved. It's my understanding the city wants to settle this and put a class of Lt's in for promotions on the 24th. There was an adjourned court date yesterday and one scheduled for Monday in which I believe the settlement will happen. Captains are scheduled for promotion on the 24th.
Correct . I wasn't confirming anything until it was offically signed off.
100 percent agree...nothing is confirmed yet...
2 completley different people.