In a situation in which Sergeants who took a make-up promotion exam for Lieutenant passed at an inexplicably higher rate than those who took the original test, and nine Sergeants have filed a lawsuit claiming that cheating explains the discrepancy, were a bit puzzled by Sergeants Benevolent Association President Ed Mullinss claim that Police Commissioner Bill Bratton showed he has lost his mind by putting a freeze on promotions from the list based on the test results.
Rather, Mr. Bratton has taken the only sane course. Should he be going ahead and passing only those who scored well on the first exam when one or more of them may be the bright souls who were responsible for posting the answer key that some of those taking the make-up clearly used? Should he be promoting from the top of the list, which could be where those who had the extra edge are clumped?
In the end, its possible that all the test results will have to be thrown out. And this is not necessarily a bad thing.
The fact that only 6 percent of the test-takers passed the initial exam seems to suggest that it was too difficult. And the stunning 48-percent pass-rate among the much-smaller group that took the make-up test looks particularly hard to reconcile: the exam didnt go from extremely hard to surprisingly easy on the merits.
Its a mystery to us why any Sergeant who took the first test would be dumb enough to put up the answer key to help those against whom he or she would be competing for prized promotions. But its also strange that the Department of Citywide Administrative Services would leave the door open for cheating by giving the same test to both groups rather than changing at least some of the questions or varying the sequence of answers for each one.
And those proven to have facilitated the impropriety or taken part in it should be considered for demotion rather than having a shot to move up in the ranks.
IShredMajors said
Mar 28, 2016
Samiam32 wrote:
But its also strange that the Department of Citywide Administrative Services would leave the door open for cheating by giving the same test to both groups rather than changing at least some of the questions or varying the sequence of answers for each one.
They do vary the sequence of the answer choices. What terrible reporting.
Huyova said
Mar 29, 2016
The author of this article is an idiot.
DOS_EQUIS said
Mar 29, 2016
-We cried for help when we found out who the department chose to write this exam. Everyone knew the Captain in charge of the process had a vendetta against the department and that the exam was going to be written in trickery, and not to test the knowledge of standard police patrol guide procedures. -We cried for help when we left the exam site on April 18 after realizing this exam was written for us not to pass. -We cried for help after waiting 10 months for our results, to learn DCAS made zero changes. -We cried for help when we learned 48% of those who took the make up exam passed when only 7% of the initial test takers passed.
-There is something wrong with the process NYPD administers promotional exams.
-Information is circulating and light is being shed on how flaw this exam process is. Nine Sgt stand up and do what any person would have done if they were not part of the Elite 128. At one point or another before the official results were released WE ALL CRIED FOR HELP.
-Cheaters/ Scammers have been overlooked during this process for many years. How quickly we forget. If there is one thing this lawsuit does, hopefully it minimizes the scamming that has been tolerated and accepted for years.
sixmonthwonder said
Mar 29, 2016
IShredMajors wrote:
Samiam32 wrote:
But its also strange that the Department of Citywide Administrative Services would leave the door open for cheating by giving the same test to both groups rather than changing at least some of the questions or varying the sequence of answers for each one.
They do vary the sequence of the answer choices. What terrible reporting.
Honestly, this is more inaccurate than the Daily News, looks like it was written by a six year old that understands nothing about journalism. Just a bunch of made up junk.
The test was hard so throw it out? I've replayed that in my head three times and don't know how it makes any sense at all.
machine said
Mar 29, 2016
That article looks like the first draft of a HS student, but it has some good points and lots of truth.
Bigguy69 said
Apr 1, 2016
sixmonthwonder wrote:
IShredMajors wrote:
Samiam32 wrote:
But its also strange that the Department of Citywide Administrative Services would leave the door open for cheating by giving the same test to both groups rather than changing at least some of the questions or varying the sequence of answers for each one.
They do vary the sequence of the answer choices. What terrible reporting.
Honestly, this is more inaccurate than the Daily News, looks like it was written by a six year old that understands nothing about journalism. Just a bunch of made up junk.
The test was hard so throw it out? I've replayed that in my head three times and don't know how it makes any sense at all.
It's not that the test was hard, it's that the person who wrote the exam, wrote it purposely so EVERYONE would fail. Thats unethical. There are probably 30-40 geniuses that studied their asses off that knocked it out the park and even they still needed a little bit of luck imho. Most of the elite 128 or whatever barely passed in the low 70's. They should've been in the 90's with a difficult but fair exam.
NYPDLieut. Test Travesty
In a situation in which Sergeants who took a make-up promotion exam for Lieutenant passed at an inexplicably higher rate than those who took the original test, and nine Sergeants have filed a lawsuit claiming that cheating explains the discrepancy, were a bit puzzled by Sergeants Benevolent Association President Ed Mullinss claim that Police Commissioner Bill Bratton showed he has lost his mind by putting a freeze on promotions from the list based on the test results.
Rather, Mr. Bratton has taken the only sane course. Should he be going ahead and passing only those who scored well on the first exam when one or more of them may be the bright souls who were responsible for posting the answer key that some of those taking the make-up clearly used? Should he be promoting from the top of the list, which could be where those who had the extra edge are clumped?
In the end, its possible that all the test results will have to be thrown out. And this is not necessarily a bad thing.
The fact that only 6 percent of the test-takers passed the initial exam seems to suggest that it was too difficult. And the stunning 48-percent pass-rate among the much-smaller group that took the make-up test looks particularly hard to reconcile: the exam didnt go from extremely hard to surprisingly easy on the merits.
Its a mystery to us why any Sergeant who took the first test would be dumb enough to put up the answer key to help those against whom he or she would be competing for prized promotions. But its also strange that the Department of Citywide Administrative Services would leave the door open for cheating by giving the same test to both groups rather than changing at least some of the questions or varying the sequence of answers for each one.
And those proven to have facilitated the impropriety or taken part in it should be considered for demotion rather than having a shot to move up in the ranks.
They do vary the sequence of the answer choices. What terrible reporting.
-We cried for help when we found out who the department chose to write this exam. Everyone knew the Captain in charge of the process had a vendetta against the department and that the exam was going to be written in trickery, and not to test the knowledge of standard police patrol guide procedures.
-We cried for help when we left the exam site on April 18 after realizing this exam was written for us not to pass.
-We cried for help after waiting 10 months for our results, to learn DCAS made zero changes.
-We cried for help when we learned 48% of those who took the make up exam passed when only 7% of the initial test takers passed.
-There is something wrong with the process NYPD administers promotional exams.
-Information is circulating and light is being shed on how flaw this exam process is. Nine Sgt stand up and do what any person would have done if they were not part of the Elite 128. At one point or another before the official results were released WE ALL CRIED FOR HELP.
-Cheaters/ Scammers have been overlooked during this process for many years. How quickly we forget. If there is one thing this lawsuit does, hopefully it minimizes the scamming that has been tolerated and accepted for years.
Honestly, this is more inaccurate than the Daily News, looks like it was written by a six year old that understands nothing about journalism. Just a bunch of made up junk.
The test was hard so throw it out? I've replayed that in my head three times and don't know how it makes any sense at all.
It's not that the test was hard, it's that the person who wrote the exam, wrote it purposely so EVERYONE would fail. Thats unethical. There are probably 30-40 geniuses that studied their asses off that knocked it out the park and even they still needed a little bit of luck imho. Most of the elite 128 or whatever barely passed in the low 70's. They should've been in the 90's with a difficult but fair exam.