DCAS should have mailed out the protest letters today. On the rear of the green anwer key it states the protest session will take place 5 weeks after the test which makes that sat 11/23..... It also state DCAS will mail out the letters 10 days prior which is today 0r yesterday now lol ... Keep an eye on your mailbox folks
Arrow said
Nov 14, 2013
Been checking my mailbox everyday. Lol
Son of Jor El said
Nov 14, 2013
Isn't the Captain's test on the 23rd?
Arrow said
Nov 14, 2013
Yes that's right the test is that day. So I doubt protest will be on the same day
Booking Fool said
Nov 14, 2013
It's five Mondays after the test, not five weeks. So probably the 25th
Son of Jor El said
Nov 15, 2013
Yeah 2boots, If the candidates record of answer sheet is correct, everyone should be receiving there protest admissions in a day or 2.
2boots said
Nov 15, 2013
Ok ... What I do know is they can't have protests on school days so prob looking at Sat the 30th... Unless not that many people are taking the Capts test...how many schools do they actually need lol... Not worried though ... I studied hard and know I passed just wanna figure out how well I actually did.
Semp1 said
Nov 15, 2013
Protests are on Mondays.
Arrow said
Nov 15, 2013
I have a friend that's LOD. And is taking the exam one the 25th.
2boots said
Nov 15, 2013
Answer me this then ... Where are these protests held? Cause I was under the impression they are held at high schools/middle schools
ShutYourBitchAssUp said
Nov 15, 2013
Lafayette St in Manhattan , Joralomen (or however it's spelled) in BK
2boots said
Nov 15, 2013
Oh ok ...
whereismy70 said
Nov 15, 2013
What are the chances that this test is going to be thrown out? I have a pretty good score on gamblor's comparison. I studied hard and wouldn't want to take another sgts test.
Wingnut said
Nov 15, 2013
whereismy70 wrote:
What are the chances that this test is going to be thrown out? I have a pretty good score on gamblor's comparison. I studied hard and wouldn't want to take another sgts test.
Very, very little.
Held up in a frivolous lawsuit, possibly.
Gamblor said
Nov 15, 2013
2boots wrote:
Ok ... What I do know is they can't have protests on school days so prob looking at Sat the 30th... Unless not that many people are taking the Capts test...how many schools do they actually need lol... Not worried though ... I studied hard and know I passed just wanna figure out how well I actually did.
I believe the captains test is only being held in one school.
Son of Jor El said
Nov 15, 2013
You figure with all the people protesting this exam they are going to have to use more than one school. Unless they plan to cram a bunch of already pissed off candidates all at one location, lol. Yeah I know, it sounds pretty stupid, but we are dealing with the City of New York so Ya never Know
cop said
Nov 16, 2013
Ok for those who don't understand or can't follow instructions although I too have been checking my mailbox every day it states on green paper 5 weeks from test date letter to arrive in 4 and 1/2 weeks. Which means it will probably come the end of the week and be Nov 30
-- Edited by cop on Sunday 17th of November 2013 03:01:34 AM
dmusicman385 said
Nov 17, 2013
Sept 30?
cop said
Nov 17, 2013
typo lol
2boots said
Nov 18, 2013
Actually it says if you don't receive a letter at least 4 1/2 weeks from the regular test date you should go to 1 centre st to get a duplicate copy... Maybe they gave u a different green sheet...so 4 1/2 weeks from 10/19 is 11/20. I can send pics lol
Arrow said
Nov 18, 2013
Youre right 2boots
cop said
Nov 18, 2013
Exactly what I said letter to come this week 11/20 this week wow doubt the protest will happen on 23 so I'm saying the 30th we shall see.
2boots said
Nov 18, 2013
OK .... Not arguing via message board ...it will come when it comes
Son of Jor El said
Nov 18, 2013
It might be on the 23rd who knows. There's not that many Lt's taking the Captain's test so i think they are all taking it at one location. The free's up DCAS personnel to deal with all the pissed off candidates who took the Sgt's test.
Su Madre 24 said
Nov 18, 2013
I would think that the protest is next Monday. Thought they post answers 5 weeks after the test. I forget...
Son of Jor El said
Nov 18, 2013
Well, those protest admissions should be coming in this week.
Wingnut said
Nov 19, 2013
Su Madre 24 wrote:
I would think that the protest is next Monday. Thought they post answers 5 weeks after the test. I forget...
Normally yes, this bag of poo test, no.
Instead of answers being posted, the proposed answer key will only be made available to those attending the protest review session. Also, the protest session date was specific, "fifth Monday after the exam." This exam states that the protest review session will take place "approximately five weeks from the date of the exam.
vlad1025 said
Nov 19, 2013
Today the 18th is the fifth Monday.... Nothing yet
allycat said
Nov 19, 2013
well i guess this is Dcas way of telling us to shut up they gave us warning, smh
Dear Candidate:
This notice is being sent to all candidates who took the exam for Sergeant (Police) #3539 in response to concerns that some candidates expressed about the inclusion of research questions and the amount of time provided for the test. Information about these questions and the exam time was delivered before the exam as follows:
The email blast sent by DCAS on 9/30/2013 and the NYPD FINEST MESSAGE sent on 10/03/2013 included the following:
"The multiple-choice test will contain additional questions which will be used for research purposes only. These questions will not count toward your test score and will not be included in the protest review process. However, you should answer all questions in the test booklet. "
Also, the Admission Notice mailed to all candidates on 10/4/2013 included:
"Test Length: ONE SESSION OF 6 HOURS"
"The Test Length includes time for fingerprinting candidates, answering all questions including those that are for research purposes only, and documenting the test material that has been received by all candidates."
Finally, the instructions on the cover of the test booklet on the day of the test (10/19/2013) included:
"Time Allowed: 6 hours"
"TEST BOOKLET: This booklet has 100 questions - all of equal weight and an additional 30 questions distributed throughout the test that are for research purposes only. These research questions will not count toward your test score, and therefore, will not be included in the protest review process. However, you should answer all questions in the test booklet prior to the end of the test."
The above information was given to help you pace yourself in answering all of the questions. Although the research questions do not count toward your Exam #3539 test score, they are important to the development of future Police promotion exams. They were distributed throughout the booklet and not identified so that candidates would answer them with the same level of motivation as any other test question. This is necessary and standard research practice, just as is done in many college and military school entrance exams and professional licensing exams. The time limit of six hours was considered appropriate based on experience with prior Sergeant and other uniformed services exams.
We hope that this information has helped to clarify any questions you may have regarding the administration of this exam.
Sincerely,
DCAS, Bureau of Examinations
Arrow said
Nov 19, 2013
Yeah just saw the email. bunch of F***ers why didn't they included the 30 questions in the first email. Why wait till the test. Oh well. What can we do
nycn8tive said
Nov 19, 2013
I agree with you...unfortunately I didn't finish all 130 questions...but what can I do. They should have given more time though because the questions themselves were paragraphs long.
Arrow said
Nov 19, 2013
i just find it amusing how they would write on the emai. That they wanted us to be motivated on answer all the questions as if they all counted. and base on past sgt. Exams? Huh? Which past exam had research questions? And which one had 130. Hmmmm.
whereismy70 said
Nov 19, 2013
And how the hell was this "necessary?"
bngeek said
Nov 19, 2013
soccerpsyco32 wrote:
Actually the time the exam was completed IS recorded on your certificate of attendance as well as the seat roster maintained by the proctor.
Fair enough, I hadn't thought about that, but then you have to call into question if they even tracked actually cataloged that AND correlated the scores with completion time and took an average of the times for people that actually passed the exam. Otherwise, you have people that just went in for the free day off and attendance slip and just ABACADABA-ed the exam in under an hour.
Personally, I don't think it was tracked. If it wasn't on your scantron answer sheet, it wasn't tracked. And I don't recall ever seeing a proctor bubbling in a sheet and I don't think they would do this by hand.
Plus this is sort of paradoxical. They allegedly used research/experience from previous exams.... in order to lengthen the exam to conduct...research and get experience?
On a more whiny note, the more I think about how the promotional system is designed in our department, the more I get annoyed. You have DCAS (non-UMOS) people that have never been cops before writing and administering an exam that is nearly 100% responsible for who gets promoted on a job they can't possibly even begin to comprehend until they walk in our shoes... Seriously, that is some MESSED up stuff when it boils down to it.
-- Edited by bngeek on Tuesday 19th of November 2013 09:10:12 AM
bngeek said
Nov 19, 2013
The time limit of six hours was considered appropriate based on experience with prior Sergeant and other uniformed services exams.
Experience with prior exams? Hmmm... as far as I know, there have never been research questions, so it can't be based off experience on that.
And as far as I know, they do not document/record the amount of time it takes for people to complete the exam. So upon what criteria was it determined that a 30% lengthening of the exam without a corresponding increase in time allotted was appropriate?
soccerpsyco32 said
Nov 19, 2013
Actually the time the exam was completed IS recorded on your certificate of attendance as well as the seat roster maintained by the proctor.
2boots said
Nov 20, 2013
Letter just arrived ...Brooklyn 11/30
2boots said
Nov 20, 2013
10am
vlad1025 said
Nov 21, 2013
Got mine too 10am fdr Brooklyn 11/30
Jdawg said
Nov 21, 2013
Yea just got mine also on saturday 11/30 at fdr high school at 1000 hours. But explain how the hell we are supposed to bring the patrol guide and submit copies for review? This is why we needed the teachers from elite, fast track, rising star, and the key to have been able to take the test and help us protest. They know the guide inside and out, we dont.
Wingnut said
Nov 21, 2013
Jdawg wrote:
Yea just got mine also on saturday 11/30 at fdr high school at 1000 hours. But explain how the hell we are supposed to bring the patrol guide and submit copies for review? This is why we needed the teachers from elite, fast track, rising star, and the key to have been able to take the test and help us protest. They know the guide inside and out, we dont.
Which is exactly why the city doesn't want the instructors there. They were embarrassed that so many questions on the 2011 lieutenant exam were successfully protested by the professionals that they will never be allowed in again.
Jdawg said
Nov 21, 2013
Thats such bull****! Does anyone know if the instructors were able to take the capt exam and whether or not that exam had experimental questions? Or were those of us who busted our asses studying only subjected as guinea pigs for dcas and their psychological mumbo jumbo testing research?
sumadre23 said
Nov 21, 2013
You are still crying? I don't get it. The directions couldn't have been any clearer.
nycn8tive said
Nov 21, 2013
vlad1025 wrote:
Got mine too 10am fdr Brooklyn 11/30
Received mine as well...dont understand why they would hold this thing on a weekend when people will be most likely out of town for Thanksgiving....just saying!
jaribu said
Nov 24, 2013
NYPD Captains exam : 100 questions in 6 hours. Can anyone explain to me how dcas thought it was appropriate to tell police officer that The time limit of six hours was considered appropriate based on experience with prior Sergeant and other uniformed services exams, when in the last 25 years of about 25 promotional exams with the nypd, all being 100 questions and 6 hours they give us an exam where we basically have a test that is 1/3 longer or another way of looking at it is we had 1/3 less time to complete the exam based on the number of questions. Then just 1 week after sending us that bullsh**t email they go and give the Lieutenants an exam where they have 6 hours to do 100 questions. Any reasonable person or judge would find what DCAS did as completely unfair.
bngeek said
Nov 25, 2013
nycn8tive wrote:
vlad1025 wrote:
Got mine too 10am fdr Brooklyn 11/30
Received mine as well...dont understand why they would hold this thing on a weekend when people will be most likely out of town for Thanksgiving....just saying!
You don't understand? That's EXACTLY why they would hold it on that weekend. To make sure people DON'T go.
DCAS should have mailed out the protest letters today. On the rear of the green anwer key it states the protest session will take place 5 weeks after the test which makes that sat 11/23..... It also state DCAS will mail out the letters 10 days prior which is today 0r yesterday now lol ... Keep an eye on your mailbox folks
Been checking my mailbox everyday. Lol
Yes that's right the test is that day. So I doubt protest will be on the same day
I have a friend that's LOD. And is taking the exam one the 25th.
Lafayette St in Manhattan , Joralomen (or however it's spelled) in BK
Very, very little.
Held up in a frivolous lawsuit, possibly.
I believe the captains test is only being held in one school.
Ok for those who don't understand or can't follow instructions although I too have been checking my mailbox every day it states on green paper 5 weeks from test date letter to arrive in 4 and 1/2 weeks. Which means it will probably come the end of the week and be Nov 30
-- Edited by cop on Sunday 17th of November 2013 03:01:34 AM
typo lol
Youre right 2boots
Exactly what I said letter to come this week 11/20 this week wow doubt the protest will happen on 23 so I'm saying the 30th we shall see.
I would think that the protest is next Monday. Thought they post answers 5 weeks after the test. I forget...
Normally yes, this bag of poo test, no.
Instead of answers being posted, the proposed answer key will only be made available to those attending the protest review session. Also, the protest session date was specific, "fifth Monday after the exam." This exam states that the protest review session will take place "approximately five weeks from the date of the exam.
Dear Candidate:
This notice is being sent to all candidates who took the exam for Sergeant (Police) #3539 in response to concerns that some candidates expressed about the inclusion of research questions and the amount of time provided for the test. Information about these questions and the exam time was delivered before the exam as follows:
The email blast sent by DCAS on 9/30/2013 and the NYPD FINEST MESSAGE sent on 10/03/2013 included the following:
"The multiple-choice test will contain additional questions which will be used for research purposes only. These questions will not count toward your test score and will not be included in the protest review process. However, you should answer all questions in the test booklet. "
Also, the Admission Notice mailed to all candidates on 10/4/2013 included:
"Test Length: ONE SESSION OF 6 HOURS"
"The Test Length includes time for fingerprinting candidates, answering all questions including those that are for research purposes only, and documenting the test material that has been received by all candidates."
Finally, the instructions on the cover of the test booklet on the day of the test (10/19/2013) included:
"Time Allowed: 6 hours"
"TEST BOOKLET: This booklet has 100 questions - all of equal weight and an additional 30 questions distributed throughout the test that are for research purposes only. These research questions will not count toward your test score, and therefore, will not be included in the protest review process. However, you should answer all questions in the test booklet prior to the end of the test."
The above information was given to help you pace yourself in answering all of the questions. Although the research questions do not count toward your Exam #3539 test score, they are important to the development of future Police promotion exams. They were distributed throughout the booklet and not identified so that candidates would answer them with the same level of motivation as any other test question. This is necessary and standard research practice, just as is done in many college and military school entrance exams and professional licensing exams. The time limit of six hours was considered appropriate based on experience with prior Sergeant and other uniformed services exams.
We hope that this information has helped to clarify any questions you may have regarding the administration of this exam.
Sincerely,
DCAS, Bureau of Examinations
Yeah just saw the email. bunch of F***ers why didn't they included the 30 questions in the first email. Why wait till the test. Oh well. What can we do
I agree with you...unfortunately I didn't finish all 130 questions...but what can I do. They should have given more time though because the questions themselves were paragraphs long.
i just find it amusing how they would write on the emai. That they wanted us to be motivated on answer all the questions as if they all counted. and base on past sgt. Exams? Huh? Which past exam had research questions? And which one had 130. Hmmmm.
And how the hell was this "necessary?"
Fair enough, I hadn't thought about that, but then you have to call into question if they even tracked actually cataloged that AND correlated the scores with completion time and took an average of the times for people that actually passed the exam. Otherwise, you have people that just went in for the free day off and attendance slip and just ABACADABA-ed the exam in under an hour.
Personally, I don't think it was tracked. If it wasn't on your scantron answer sheet, it wasn't tracked. And I don't recall ever seeing a proctor bubbling in a sheet and I don't think they would do this by hand.
Plus this is sort of paradoxical. They allegedly used research/experience from previous exams.... in order to lengthen the exam to conduct...research and get experience?
On a more whiny note, the more I think about how the promotional system is designed in our department, the more I get annoyed. You have DCAS (non-UMOS) people that have never been cops before writing and administering an exam that is nearly 100% responsible for who gets promoted on a job they can't possibly even begin to comprehend until they walk in our shoes... Seriously, that is some MESSED up stuff when it boils down to it.
-- Edited by bngeek on Tuesday 19th of November 2013 09:10:12 AM
Experience with prior exams? Hmmm... as far as I know, there have never been research questions, so it can't be based off experience on that.
And as far as I know, they do not document/record the amount of time it takes for people to complete the exam. So upon what criteria was it determined that a 30% lengthening of the exam without a corresponding increase in time allotted was appropriate?
Yea just got mine also on saturday 11/30 at fdr high school at 1000 hours. But explain how the hell we are supposed to bring the patrol guide and submit copies for review? This is why we needed the teachers from elite, fast track, rising star, and the key to have been able to take the test and help us protest. They know the guide inside and out, we dont.
Which is exactly why the city doesn't want the instructors there. They were embarrassed that so many questions on the 2011 lieutenant exam were successfully protested by the professionals that they will never be allowed in again.
You are still crying? I don't get it. The directions couldn't have been any clearer.
Received mine as well...dont understand why they would hold this thing on a weekend when people will be most likely out of town for Thanksgiving....just saying!
You don't understand? That's EXACTLY why they would hold it on that weekend. To make sure people DON'T go.