Here is one of my arguments for the eday question that i protested:
Question # 89 is a judgment type question which should be thrown out because unless they have a body of literature to point to for the correct answer, it is SUBJECTIVE, and if they do have something in writing to point to, it should have been provided within the amendment NOE to properly prepare me to pick the correct answer. In the updated NOE, DCAS did inform candidates of the new material that may appear on the exam, but they were negligent by not informing me of the reference for where that subject matter will come from. In other words, they told me that Department directives and orders will be tested and will come from such references as the Department Patrol Guide Manual, Administrative Guide, Operations Orders, etc. I therefore should have been informed as to where the reference for the leadership/judgment questions was derived from so that I could prepare. By not doing so, they might as well have just told me in the NOE that I may be tested on philosophy and geology. If I was not given the body of literature from where the questions were going to be drawn from how could I possibly prepare?
My answer choice B) is better then proposed answer choice C) for the following reasons: 1) Choice C) is in clear violation of department guidelines laid out in patrol guide section 203-03 sub 2 which states to obey lawful orders and instructions of supervising officers hence the finest message in the stem of the question.2) Choice C further violates the patrol guide section 203 -20 sub 7 additional data which states that a requesting UMOS must get approval for an E Day from the desk officer on duty at the time of the request. The question never states that the authorizing Lieutenant is the desk officer, all it states is that "your are" a probationary lieutenant completing required command log entries. Every Lieutenant position in the precinct such as the I.C.O, S.O.L., Operations Coordinator, Platoon commander has required command log entries under their duties and responsibilities laid out in patrol guide section 202, attached is an example from P.G. 202-13 Platoon commander.
My answer choice B) is better because it properly looks for a solution without breaking any department guidelines. The answer is not denying the officer an E day but rather explores an alternative solution to the problem without having to resort to immediate violation of the department regulation by giving him and E day. So if an E day would need to be eventually granted me as the new probationary lieutenant would be better justified in my decision because I have tried to find an alternative solution to the problem before granting an e day in violation of department guidelines.
If you got this wrong you should protest it with this point made, of coarse in your own words
90xGoodnight said
Dec 11, 2011
come on people mail in your protests, still have plenty of time, power in numbers especially with defined obvious points!
innocent1 said
Dec 12, 2011
yes.....everyone please mail in your protest now! don't depends on others. you studied hard and was given an unfair test. power in protest. now or never. and u can mail away protest even if u never sent away pink slip or never had an appointment date could not make your date!
Rudy said
Dec 12, 2011
That question in itself is why I Rudy, with my letter opener will never be more than a Sgt. Amen. I bombed the judgement questions
nohook said
Dec 13, 2011
i agree with 90xgoodnight on both post. uniform and eday. i also pick those same answer with your argument. when is the deadline to mail in protest.
Garbage_Compactor_Robot_Jesus said
Dec 13, 2011
In sum, you chose the answer that would require the officer to survey family members, thereby temporarily denying an infant urgent medical care. You also figured a general directive to be a non-exlusionary edict.
Yep, that was wrong.
No study material should have been necessary to see what they were getting at.
The question measured your ability to judge urgency and liability.
Ground ball.
RumorMill said
Dec 13, 2011
Garbage_Compactor_Robot_Jesus wrote:
In sum, you chose the answer that would require the officer to survey family members, thereby temporarily denying an infant urgent medical care. You also figured a general directive to be a non-exlusionary edict.
Yep, that was wrong.
No study material should have been necessary to see what they were getting at.
The question measured your ability to judge urgency and liability.
Ground ball.
Another 5 year wonder speaks.
WANNABELT said
Dec 14, 2011
RumorMill wrote:
Garbage_Compactor_Robot_Jesus wrote:
In sum, you chose the answer that would require the officer to survey family members, thereby temporarily denying an infant urgent medical care. You also figured a general directive to be a non-exlusionary edict.
Yep, that was wrong.
No study material should have been necessary to see what they were getting at.
The question measured your ability to judge urgency and liability.
Ground ball.
Another 5 year wonder speaks.
Rumormill sit down and vent. I understand that you were passed over because you are a loser and a hairbag and the Sgt with six years is ambitious and highly competant but unfortunately nobody in your present chain of cmd gives a fcuk about your time in rank. Im sure it annoys you that Im an 8 year Lt and you have to cry to me about these things but suck it up and drive on troop. Now go ahead and vent and I will nod and pretend to care about what you are saying.
-- Edited by WANNABELT on Wednesday 14th of December 2011 02:37:20 AM
RumorMill said
Dec 14, 2011
WANNABELT wrote:
RumorMill wrote:
Garbage_Compactor_Robot_Jesus wrote:
In sum, you chose the answer that would require the officer to survey family members, thereby temporarily denying an infant urgent medical care. You also figured a general directive to be a non-exlusionary edict.
Yep, that was wrong.
No study material should have been necessary to see what they were getting at.
The question measured your ability to judge urgency and liability.
Ground ball.
Another 5 year wonder speaks.
Rumormill sit down and vent. I understand that you were passed over because you are a loser and a hairbag and the Sgt with six years is ambitious and highly competant but unfortunately nobody in your present chain of cmd gives a fcuk about your time in rank. Im sure it annoys you that Im an 8 year Lt and you have to cry to me about these things but suck it up and drive on troop. Now go ahead and vent and I will nod and pretend to care about what you are saying.
-- Edited by WANNABELT on Wednesday 14th of December 2011 02:37:20 AM
They use to give a f**K about time on the job and time in rank and things worked alot better back then. The Job fell apart when that way of thinking went out the window. Hate to break it to you but passing this test doesnt mean your competant or ambitious. Just means you guessed better then the next guy. When its all said and done were both going to be on the same Lt's. anyway. Difference is I'll be tanning on the beach retired while your still working for another decade.
Tommy Salami said
Dec 15, 2011
RumorMill wrote:
WANNABELT wrote:
RumorMill wrote:
Garbage_Compactor_Robot_Jesus wrote:
In sum, you chose the answer that would require the officer to survey family members, thereby temporarily denying an infant urgent medical care. You also figured a general directive to be a non-exlusionary edict.
Yep, that was wrong.
No study material should have been necessary to see what they were getting at.
The question measured your ability to judge urgency and liability.
Ground ball.
Another 5 year wonder speaks.
Rumormill sit down and vent. I understand that you were passed over because you are a loser and a hairbag and the Sgt with six years is ambitious and highly competant but unfortunately nobody in your present chain of cmd gives a fcuk about your time in rank. Im sure it annoys you that Im an 8 year Lt and you have to cry to me about these things but suck it up and drive on troop. Now go ahead and vent and I will nod and pretend to care about what you are saying.
-- Edited by WANNABELT on Wednesday 14th of December 2011 02:37:20 AM
They use to give a f**K about time on the job and time in rank and things worked alot better back then. The Job fell apart when that way of thinking went out the window. Hate to break it to you but passing this test doesnt mean your competant or ambitious. Just means you guessed better then the next guy. When its all said and done were both going to be on the same Lt's. anyway. Difference is I'll be tanning on the beach retired while your still working for another decade.
Just because you have 10 years in rank, or 20+ years on the job, doesn't mean you know what you're doing.
Also, just because someone passed this test doesn't mean, "they guessed better than the next guy." That statement just shows how frustrated and jealous you are.
You also need to work on your grammar and sentence structure.
Good luck with the DCAS throw-outs. Hope it works out for you.
TyWebb said
Dec 15, 2011
RumorMill wrote:
WANNABELT wrote:
RumorMill wrote:
Garbage_Compactor_Robot_Jesus wrote:
In sum, you chose the answer that would require the officer to survey family members, thereby temporarily denying an infant urgent medical care. You also figured a general directive to be a non-exlusionary edict.
Yep, that was wrong.
No study material should have been necessary to see what they were getting at.
The question measured your ability to judge urgency and liability.
Ground ball.
Another 5 year wonder speaks.
Rumormill sit down and vent. I understand that you were passed over because you are a loser and a hairbag and the Sgt with six years is ambitious and highly competant but unfortunately nobody in your present chain of cmd gives a fcuk about your time in rank. Im sure it annoys you that Im an 8 year Lt and you have to cry to me about these things but suck it up and drive on troop. Now go ahead and vent and I will nod and pretend to care about what you are saying.
-- Edited by WANNABELT on Wednesday 14th of December 2011 02:37:20 AM
They use to give a f**K about time on the job and time in rank and things worked alot better back then. The Job fell apart when that way of thinking went out the window. Hate to break it to you but passing this test doesnt mean your competant or ambitious. Just means you guessed better then the next guy. When its all said and donewere both going to be on the same Lt's. anyway. Difference is I'll be tanning on the beach retired while your still working for another decade.
Ah, the reasoning of a true failure. 20 years is 20 years, dummy. While you're getting skin cancer on the beach, he won't be doing an extra decade of police work. What he will be doing is significantly out-earning you over the course of his twenty.
The rapid-fire unprovoked 'time on' defense is a favorite tool of the incompetent.
RumorMill said
Dec 15, 2011
Tommy Salami wrote:
RumorMill wrote:
WANNABELT wrote:
RumorMill wrote:
Garbage_Compactor_Robot_Jesus wrote:
In sum, you chose the answer that would require the officer to survey family members, thereby temporarily denying an infant urgent medical care. You also figured a general directive to be a non-exlusionary edict.
Yep, that was wrong.
No study material should have been necessary to see what they were getting at.
The question measured your ability to judge urgency and liability.
Ground ball.
Another 5 year wonder speaks.
Rumormill sit down and vent. I understand that you were passed over because you are a loser and a hairbag and the Sgt with six years is ambitious and highly competant but unfortunately nobody in your present chain of cmd gives a fcuk about your time in rank. Im sure it annoys you that Im an 8 year Lt and you have to cry to me about these things but suck it up and drive on troop. Now go ahead and vent and I will nod and pretend to care about what you are saying.
-- Edited by WANNABELT on Wednesday 14th of December 2011 02:37:20 AM
They use to give a f**K about time on the job and time in rank and things worked alot better back then. The Job fell apart when that way of thinking went out the window. Hate to break it to you but passing this test doesnt mean your competant or ambitious. Just means you guessed better then the next guy. When its all said and done were both going to be on the same Lt's. anyway. Difference is I'll be tanning on the beach retired while your still working for another decade.
Just because you have 10 years in rank, or 20+ years on the job, doesn't mean you know what you're doing.
Also, just because someone passed this test doesn't mean, "they guessed better than the next guy." That statement just shows how frustrated and jealous you are.
You also need to work on your grammar and sentence structure.
Good luck with the DCAS throw-outs. Hope it works out for you.
Tommy Salami: Didnt realize this was a test. Plus Im more of a texter so I never write a proper sentence when I am writing between "friends". We will agree to disagree.
Rudy said
Dec 16, 2011
WANNABELT wrote:
RumorMill wrote:
Garbage_Compactor_Robot_Jesus wrote:
In sum, you chose the answer that would require the officer to survey family members, thereby temporarily denying an infant urgent medical care. You also figured a general directive to be a non-exlusionary edict.
Yep, that was wrong.
No study material should have been necessary to see what they were getting at.
The question measured your ability to judge urgency and liability.
Ground ball.
Another 5 year wonder speaks.
Rumormill sit down and vent. I understand that you were passed over because you are a loser and a hairbag and the Sgt with six years is ambitious and highly competant but unfortunately nobody in your present chain of cmd gives a fcuk about your time in rank. Im sure it annoys you that Im an 8 year Lt and you have to cry to me about these things but suck it up and drive on troop. Now go ahead and vent and I will nod and pretend to care about what you are saying.
-- Edited by WANNABELT on Wednesday 14th of December 2011 02:37:20 AM
Wannabelt: you have hidden in an office for months to study, I know your type. As a cop you have 511 collars, as a sgt you couldn't wait to put a cop on paper, you have never been in a busy house, and most of all when you get promoted your sgt's, cops, x.o's and your c.o will recognize you as your true self. A TOOLBAG. Can't wait to see you at a detail D!(k
WANNABELT said
Dec 16, 2011
Rudy wrote:
WANNABELT wrote:
RumorMill wrote:
Garbage_Compactor_Robot_Jesus wrote:
In sum, you chose the answer that would require the officer to survey family members, thereby temporarily denying an infant urgent medical care. You also figured a general directive to be a non-exlusionary edict.
Yep, that was wrong.
No study material should have been necessary to see what they were getting at.
The question measured your ability to judge urgency and liability.
Ground ball.
Another 5 year wonder speaks.
Rumormill sit down and vent. I understand that you were passed over because you are a loser and a hairbag and the Sgt with six years is ambitious and highly competant but unfortunately nobody in your present chain of cmd gives a fcuk about your time in rank. Im sure it annoys you that Im an 8 year Lt and you have to cry to me about these things but suck it up and drive on troop. Now go ahead and vent and I will nod and pretend to care about what you are saying.
-- Edited by WANNABELT on Wednesday 14th of December 2011 02:37:20 AM Wannabelt: you have hidden in an office for months to study, I know your type. As a cop you have 511 collars, as a sgt you couldn't wait to put a cop on paper, you have never been in a busy house, and most of all when you get promoted your sgt's, cops, x.o's and your c.o will recognize you as your true self. A TOOLBAG. Can't wait to see you at a detail D!(k
I have made 511 collars. I've been in busy houses but I haven't been assigned to any(those places are dangerous). I wrote a cd to my driver. I hope the aformentioned UMOS recognize me as my true self. If you see me at a detail, please introduce yourself and let me know how you feel in person.
Abeyance said
Dec 17, 2011
Not for nothing (but for something though) , what is the point of all this ****, and I am better than you are attitude? There is no right answer to all this garbage, don't you realize. Give it a break and dignify one another with dialogue that is befitting a man.
RumorMill said
Dec 18, 2011
Abeyance wrote:
Not for nothing (but for something though) , what is the point of all this ****, and I am better than you are attitude? There is no right answer to all this garbage, don't you realize. Give it a break and dignify one another with dialogue that is befitting a man.
OK. But I didnt deny the guy the eday. I just told him to see if someone else can take the kid to the hospital. See how I'm trying to bring it back to the subject.
Here is one of my arguments for the eday question that i protested:
Question # 89 is a judgment type question which should be thrown out because unless they have a body of literature to point to for the correct answer, it is SUBJECTIVE, and if they do have something in writing to point to, it should have been provided within the amendment NOE to properly prepare me to pick the correct answer. In the updated NOE, DCAS did inform candidates of the new material that may appear on the exam, but they were negligent by not informing me of the reference for where that subject matter will come from. In other words, they told me that Department directives and orders will be tested and will come from such references as the Department Patrol Guide Manual, Administrative Guide, Operations Orders, etc. I therefore should have been informed as to where the reference for the leadership/judgment questions was derived from so that I could prepare. By not doing so, they might as well have just told me in the NOE that I may be tested on philosophy and geology. If I was not given the body of literature from where the questions were going to be drawn from how could I possibly prepare?
My answer choice B) is better then proposed answer choice C) for the following reasons: 1) Choice C) is in clear violation of department guidelines laid out in patrol guide section 203-03 sub 2 which states to obey lawful orders and instructions of supervising officers hence the finest message in the stem of the question. 2) Choice C further violates the patrol guide section 203 -20 sub 7 additional data which states that a requesting UMOS must get approval for an E Day from the desk officer on duty at the time of the request. The question never states that the authorizing Lieutenant is the desk officer, all it states is that "your are" a probationary lieutenant completing required command log entries. Every Lieutenant position in the precinct such as the I.C.O, S.O.L., Operations Coordinator, Platoon commander has required command log entries under their duties and responsibilities laid out in patrol guide section 202, attached is an example from P.G. 202-13 Platoon commander.
My answer choice B) is better because it properly looks for a solution without breaking any department guidelines. The answer is not denying the officer an E day but rather explores an alternative solution to the problem without having to resort to immediate violation of the department regulation by giving him and E day. So if an E day would need to be eventually granted me as the new probationary lieutenant would be better justified in my decision because I have tried to find an alternative solution to the problem before granting an e day in violation of department guidelines.
If you got this wrong you should protest it with this point made, of coarse in your own words
In sum, you chose the answer that would require the officer to survey family members, thereby temporarily denying an infant urgent medical care. You also figured a general directive to be a non-exlusionary edict.
Yep, that was wrong.
No study material should have been necessary to see what they were getting at.
The question measured your ability to judge urgency and liability.
Ground ball.
Another 5 year wonder speaks.
Rumormill sit down and vent. I understand that you were passed over because you are a loser and a hairbag and the Sgt with six years is ambitious and highly competant but unfortunately nobody in your present chain of cmd gives a fcuk about your time in rank. Im sure it annoys you that Im an 8 year Lt and you have to cry to me about these things but suck it up and drive on troop. Now go ahead and vent and I will nod and pretend to care about what you are saying.
-- Edited by WANNABELT on Wednesday 14th of December 2011 02:37:20 AM
They use to give a f**K about time on the job and time in rank and things worked alot better back then. The Job fell apart when that way of thinking went out the window. Hate to break it to you but passing this test doesnt mean your competant or ambitious. Just means you guessed better then the next guy. When its all said and done were both going to be on the same Lt's. anyway. Difference is I'll be tanning on the beach retired while your still working for another decade.
Just because you have 10 years in rank, or 20+ years on the job, doesn't mean you know what you're doing.
Also, just because someone passed this test doesn't mean, "they guessed better than the next guy." That statement just shows how frustrated and jealous you are.
You also need to work on your grammar and sentence structure.
Good luck with the DCAS throw-outs. Hope it works out for you.
Tommy Salami: Didnt realize this was a test. Plus Im more of a texter so I never write a proper sentence when I am writing between "friends". We will agree to disagree.
Rumormill sit down and vent. I understand that you were passed over because you are a loser and a hairbag and the Sgt with six years is ambitious and highly competant but unfortunately nobody in your present chain of cmd gives a fcuk about your time in rank. Im sure it annoys you that Im an 8 year Lt and you have to cry to me about these things but suck it up and drive on troop. Now go ahead and vent and I will nod and pretend to care about what you are saying.
-- Edited by WANNABELT on Wednesday 14th of December 2011 02:37:20 AM Wannabelt: you have hidden in an office for months to study, I know your type. As a cop you have 511 collars, as a sgt you couldn't wait to put a cop on paper, you have never been in a busy house, and most of all when you get promoted your sgt's, cops, x.o's and your c.o will recognize you as your true self. A TOOLBAG. Can't wait to see you at a detail D!(k
I have made 511 collars. I've been in busy houses but I haven't been assigned to any(those places are dangerous). I wrote a cd to my driver. I hope the aformentioned UMOS recognize me as my true self. If you see me at a detail, please introduce yourself and let me know how you feel in person.OK. But I didnt deny the guy the eday. I just told him to see if someone else can take the kid to the hospital. See how I'm trying to bring it back to the subject.