Since the protest is over i figured ill ask my fellow Sgts how many throw outs or double answers you think we will get. In my opinion if DCAS is fair there should be 10 throw outs/ doubles at the very least.
oneadditional said
Dec 3, 2011
At least 10, no lower. this test was filled with many errors on part of the writers trying to be a too tricky and not understanding the procedures themselves.
wereinbacklog said
Dec 3, 2011
At least 5 throwouts (questions 10,13,40,47,63) and 5 double answers (4, 15, 52,89,100).
nycop80 said
Dec 3, 2011
if you are counting 100 as a double answer, dont forget 77 , its the same thing, LT is authorizing himself to do admin OT
NYG37 said
Dec 3, 2011
No mention of 45 ?
18and1 said
Dec 3, 2011
21 and 67 should be double answers as well. I don't think they will throw out #10 but #13 is a definite.
-- Edited by 18and1 on Saturday 3rd of December 2011 11:13:37 PM
unborn said
Dec 3, 2011
18and1 wrote:
21 and 67 should be double answers as well. I don't think they will throw out #10 but #13 is a definite.
-- Edited by 18and1 on Saturday 3rd of December 2011 11:13:37 PM
That would be a shame. I know lots of people had the right answer for #10 but changed it once they realized what the answer for #13 is. The TVB could easily argue that we should answer the questions in order and shouldn't have went back and changed anything, therefore its on us.
-- Edited by unborn on Saturday 3rd of December 2011 11:15:35 PM
18and1 said
Dec 3, 2011
unborn wrote:
18and1 wrote:
21 and 67 should be double answers as well. I don't think they will throw out #10 but #13 is a definite.
-- Edited by 18and1 on Saturday 3rd of December 2011 11:13:37 PM
That would be a shame. I know lots of people had the right answer for #10 but changed it once they realized what the answer for #13 is. The TVB could easily argue that we should answer the questions in order and shouldn't have went back and changed anything, therefore its on us.
-- Edited by unborn on Saturday 3rd of December 2011 11:15:35 PM
You know I didn't think of that your right. I happened to miss one of the PO's at traffic court and put him down which probably saved me from changing my answer.
smartcookie said
Dec 4, 2011
Don't forget #20 (or maybe it was 23)- total throwout. That is when they referred to PG 207-52, which does not exist. It was supposed to be IO 52 of 2009 in PG 207 Series.
big guy said
Dec 4, 2011
smartcookie wrote:
Don't forget #20 (or maybe it was 23)- total throwout. That is when they referred to PG 207-52, which does not exist. It was supposed to be IO 52 of 2009 in PG 207 Series.
Wouldnt also the 2 questions with the mis-spellings get automatically thrown out also? The one with "don nt" and the map question with the mis-spelled street name in the answer choice where it had "adams" instead of "adam" like it was on the map??
1chief said
Dec 4, 2011
I talk to mike y from fast track, and he thinks they may toss 10. I thinking maybe 10 to 15.
big guy said
Dec 4, 2011
did mike y indeed go to the protest?? And also does that mean 10 thrown out or 10 total including double answers?
1chief said
Dec 4, 2011
Yes he went, and he protested some judgement questions. Not sure if he protested any pg question, and he said throw outs.
DumbBrass said
Dec 4, 2011
4 , 28, 29, 45, 47, 89, 34 had double answers. I don't know what DCAS will do!
NextLtTest said
Dec 4, 2011
what was the doubles for 28? 34? 45? 89?
unborn said
Dec 4, 2011
28 was the ID theft question. It was a hard question but well written. No double answer there.
34 was safe store. Doubtful.
45 was child abuse. Definite double answer.
NextLtTest said
Dec 4, 2011
Yeah but were the two answers?
Letter wise?
-- Edited by NextLtTest on Sunday 4th of December 2011 04:19:45 AM
DumbBrass said
Dec 4, 2011
#4 inbasket, mobilization point C/D, #89 E-Day C/D, # 28 ID theft/Petit Larceny B/D, #47 Dept Vehicle Accident A/C , #21 prisoner med. low blow cheap shot- still protested to throw out... chances are very slim. #40 Accident on Bridge( throw-out), #29 PAR/Amending+Complaints (throw-out) because broken hand is not serious injury and we don't refer C/V to other command to report crime. (refer complaint not complainant!), #45 Suspected child abuse 215-03 ... inappropriate for platoon commander who is on patrol to do A- direct PO to call IRT B- direct po to call State Registry DOUBLE ANSWER: A/B, $$$ Aided case was routine sick in nursing home ... was not (Injured, Cardiac, DOA and etc is open to interpretation, A/D or throw it out. NOW GOOD LUCK TO ALL WITH THIS.
-- Edited by DumbBrass on Sunday 4th of December 2011 02:50:38 PM
HOTLUNCH said
Dec 4, 2011
DumbBrass wrote:
#4 inbasket, mobilization point C/D, #89 E-Day C/D, # 28 ID theft/Petit Larceny B/D, #47 Dept Vehicle Accident A/C , #21 prisoner med. low blow cheap shot- still protested to throw out... chances are very slim. #40 Accident on Bridge( throw-out), #29 PAR/Amending+Complaints (throw-out) because broken hand is not serious injury and we don't refer C/V to other command to report crime. (refer complaint not complainant!), #45 Suspected child abuse 215-03 ... inappropriate for platoon commander who is on patrol to do A- direct PO to call IRT B- direct po to call State Registry DOUBLE ANSWER: A/B, $$$ Aided case was routine sick in nursing home ... was not (Injured, Cardiac, DOA and etc is open to interpretation, A/D or throw it out. NOW GOOD LUCK TO ALL WITH THIS.
-- Edited by DumbBrass on Sunday 4th of December 2011 02:50:38 PM
89- had only one right answer, give him the day
28- one answer. Black and white from the crime reporting guide (I dropped it)
29- the one time you refer the complainant. Penal law considers broken bones spi, and so do I
26- a lady almost choking to death is not routine sick.
Waaaahhh said
Dec 4, 2011
Did it state she was choking to death or just choking?
HOTLUNCH said
Dec 4, 2011
Either way it is not routine sick. People are mixing up routine sick at HOME with situations in a nursing home when pd doesn't even respond (I.e. 911 codes it in such a way that an RMP isn't even dispatched)
By the way, I dropped a ton of questions. Not trying to discourage anyone just pointing out some facts from talking to other guys at work.
-- Edited by HOTLUNCH on Sunday 4th of December 2011 04:04:33 PM
DumbBrass said
Dec 4, 2011
The entire test was an example of perfect, straight forward, fair and black & white test. But imprudents who wrote this test did the best job screwing almost every question. Broken hand doesn't necessarily mean broken bone, joking doesn't mean heart attack, asking cop if he has another family member available to take baby to a hospital whereas none of choice was to deny him an eday after you saw a finest message was posted on desk saying no excusal for 6 tours. PG or Crime complaint reference guide does not have any limit to differentiate between id theft and petit larceny and so on ... These are my arguments regarding above questions!
innocent1 said
Dec 14, 2011
hope ur right dumbbrass. bc i will pick up six points with those double answers to bring me to a 73. and with this test a 73 is like having an 83
OkeeDokee said
Dec 14, 2011
DumbBrass wrote:
PG or Crime complaint reference guide does not have any limit to differentiate between id theft and petit larceny and so on ... These are my arguments regarding above questions!
Pages 33-34.
Inspector71 said
Dec 14, 2011
OkeeDokee and HOTLUNCH
Question 28 - Identity theft did not ask you to use the patrol guide or Compliant reporting guide. It said"according to the complainant's report of lost or stolen property/Identity theft"
They were asking you to use the form that the complainant prepares to answer the question. This is a good question to protest as the form does not list criteria for classifying the complaint.
Rudy said
Dec 14, 2011
Hopefully 30 to 35 are thrownout. If I pickthemall up I'll have a 70
JustWonderin said
Dec 14, 2011
Rudy wrote:
Hopefully 30 to 35 are thrownout. If I pickthemall up I'll have a 70
-- Edited by 18and1 on Saturday 3rd of December 2011 11:13:37 PM
That would be a shame. I know lots of people had the right answer for #10 but changed it once they realized what the answer for #13 is. The TVB could easily argue that we should answer the questions in order and shouldn't have went back and changed anything, therefore its on us.
-- Edited by unborn on Saturday 3rd of December 2011 11:15:35 PM
Don't forget #20 (or maybe it was 23)- total throwout. That is when they referred to PG 207-52, which does not exist. It was supposed to be IO 52 of 2009 in PG 207 Series.
Wouldnt also the 2 questions with the mis-spellings get automatically thrown out also? The one with "don nt" and the map question with the mis-spelled street name in the answer choice where it had "adams" instead of "adam" like it was on the map??
I talk to mike y from fast track, and he thinks they may toss 10. I thinking maybe 10 to 15.
did mike y indeed go to the protest?? And also does that mean 10 thrown out or 10 total including double answers?
Yes he went, and he protested some judgement questions. Not sure if he protested any pg question, and he said throw outs.
28?
34?
45?
89?
34 was safe store. Doubtful.
45 was child abuse. Definite double answer.
-- Edited by NextLtTest on Sunday 4th of December 2011 04:19:45 AM
#4 inbasket, mobilization point C/D, #89 E-Day C/D, # 28 ID theft/Petit Larceny B/D, #47 Dept Vehicle Accident A/C , #21 prisoner med. low blow cheap shot- still protested to throw out... chances are very slim. #40 Accident on Bridge( throw-out), #29 PAR/Amending+Complaints (throw-out) because broken hand is not serious injury and we don't refer C/V to other command to report crime. (refer complaint not complainant!), #45 Suspected child abuse 215-03 ... inappropriate for platoon commander who is on patrol to do A- direct PO to call IRT B- direct po to call State Registry DOUBLE ANSWER: A/B, $$$ Aided case was routine sick in nursing home ... was not (Injured, Cardiac, DOA and etc is open to interpretation, A/D or throw it out. NOW GOOD LUCK TO ALL WITH THIS.
-- Edited by DumbBrass on Sunday 4th of December 2011 02:50:38 PM
-- Edited by HOTLUNCH on Sunday 4th of December 2011 04:04:33 PM
Pages 33-34.
OkeeDokee and HOTLUNCH
Question 28 - Identity theft did not ask you to use the patrol guide or Compliant reporting guide. It said"according to the complainant's report of lost or stolen property/Identity theft"
They were asking you to use the form that the complainant prepares to answer the question. This is a good question to protest as the form does not list criteria for classifying the complaint.
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