So whats the deal with the crying Paa and tissue question??
HB said
Nov 30, 2011
Can someone who went to the protest clarify what the question and answer were, AND if we can protest them successfully?
NYG37 said
Nov 30, 2011
Did not protest it as I had it correct. the only thing I can tell you is what the rising star representative said. protest the questions that you of wrong on te judgment and leadership and state that there was no point of reference provided. correct answer can't be determined, who's to say what's right and wrong. make sure you refer to noe that no material was later to properly prepare you to answer the qquestion.
1534sux said
Nov 30, 2011
Bring a copy of revised Notice of Exam to protest
NYPD231 said
Dec 1, 2011
Friend of mine told me that 91 was the crying paa and the answer was to tell the spaa to have someone retrain her. I'm protesting it based on the fact the ADO will fix the immediate problem and telling the spaa is incorrect. You should tell the PRAA.
collarsfordollars said
Dec 1, 2011
The right answer was to notify praa. It never said SPAA.
Tommy Salami said
Dec 1, 2011
assigning the ADO only fixes one of two problems.
problem 1- you have lots of people waiting to have complaint reports filled out
problem 2- you have a newly assigned PAA that is not confident in his/her job, and is not performing well.
directing the spaa to assign an experienced paa to the 124 room to train the rookie paa solves both of the above problems. that is the logic behind the right answer.
NYPD231 said
Dec 1, 2011
Damn- that's the issue I'm running in to with having to protest by mail. You have to rely on your memory of the question and answers, which obviously is incorrect. And then I'm getting bad info from other people.
Did the answer say SPAA or PRAA?
-- Edited by NYPD231 on Thursday 1st of December 2011 12:40:48 AM
NYPD231 said
Dec 1, 2011
Tommy Salami wrote:
assigning the ADO only fixes one of two problems.
problem 1- you have lots of people waiting to have complaint reports filled out
problem 2- you have a newly assigned PAA that is not confident in his/her job, and is not performing well.
directing the spaa to assign an experienced paa to the 124 room to train the rookie paa solves both of the above problems. that is the logic behind the right answer.
I understand the logic behind their answer, I'm just trying to come up with a solid protest.
RISING IDIOT said
Dec 1, 2011
Tommy Salami wrote:
assigning the ADO only fixes one of two problems.
problem 1- you have lots of people waiting to have complaint reports filled out
problem 2- you have a newly assigned PAA that is not confident in his/her job, and is not performing well.
directing the spaa to assign an experienced paa to the 124 room to train the rookie paa solves both of the above problems. that is the logic behind the right answer.
I agree Tommy. I changed this answer a couple of times but ultimately got it DCAS right. Another reason this was the right answer (I've been told) is that the exam writers wanted to see the actor work with another supervisor (spaa) to solve a problem. Managing civilians can be quite complicated at times.
HB said
Dec 1, 2011
RISING IDIOT wrote:
Tommy Salami wrote:
assigning the ADO only fixes one of two problems.
problem 1- you have lots of people waiting to have complaint reports filled out
problem 2- you have a newly assigned PAA that is not confident in his/her job, and is not performing well.
directing the spaa to assign an experienced paa to the 124 room to train the rookie paa solves both of the above problems. that is the logic behind the right answer.
I agree Tommy. I changed this answer a couple of times but ultimately got it DCAS right. Another reason this was the right answer (I've been told) is that the exam writers wanted to see the actor work with another supervisor (spaa) to solve a problem. Managing civilians can be quite complicated at times.
Ok so assign the ado is the wrong answer?
-- Edited by HB on Thursday 1st of December 2011 01:09:17 AM
RISING IDIOT said
Dec 1, 2011
As per DCAS yes
oneadditional said
Dec 1, 2011
This is correct as per what guide ?
oneadditional said
Dec 1, 2011
What reference ?
RISING IDIOT said
Dec 1, 2011
Not sure what guide. Maybe no guide. But, ADO is definitely not correct as per PG or any other guide because he doesn't exist
oneadditional said
Dec 1, 2011
What section of the guide is SPAA in ?
oneadditional said
Dec 1, 2011
I never saw the phrase PRAA in there either
NYPD231 said
Dec 1, 2011
There isn't one. Which is why they are an easy protest. No reference was given for that kind of question so the exam taker has to use cited reference material in an attempt to answer the question. The cited material is the Patrol Guide, which states that the DCAS answer is wrong because you would go to the PRAA, not the SPAA.
Unfortunately, I can't go to the protest, so I have to mail my protests in and wont get to review the exam. I'm going off of what others have told me. I think it said SPAA in the answer, not PRAA.
oneadditional said
Dec 1, 2011
In fact in never saw PAA in there either
RISING IDIOT said
Dec 1, 2011
PRINCIPAL ADMINISTRATIVE ASSOCIATE. She is the civilian boss who is almost on par with the ops coord
PG 202-16
-- Edited by RISING IDIOT on Thursday 1st of December 2011 01:19:06 AM
oneadditional said
Dec 1, 2011
Maybe if it spelled out PRINCIPAL ADMINISTRATIVE ASSOCIATE I may have gotten it. I don't know what a PRAA is
RISING IDIOT said
Dec 1, 2011
I hear ya bro. Not trying to discourage any protest. I got that dcas right after changing it three or four times. I got plenty of others wrong which is why I have my work cut out for me at the protest.
collarsfordollars said
Dec 1, 2011
Guys. The right answer was to tell PRAA to get another PAA to help her out. This question is not protestable. No other answers make sence. ADO technically is not a position.
NYPD231 said
Dec 1, 2011
collarsfordollars wrote:
Guys. The right answer was to tell PRAA to get another PAA to help her out. This question is not protestable. No other answers make sence. ADO technically is not a position.
Did you see that today at the protest? I have to protest by mail so the wording of the question is important. Was it tell the SPAA or the PRAA?
oneadditional said
Dec 1, 2011
Well they can refer to their written source of information and compare it to the protest.
PatrolGuideismyBible said
Dec 1, 2011
Even tough I thought both questions were total garbage, I answered bot correctly so I didn't really look at them at the protest, I only looked at questions I got wrong.
nys finest said
Dec 1, 2011
actually the ado does exist in the administrative guide. I checked it today but it doesn't really state their duties. Fight it anyway
problem 1- you have lots of people waiting to have complaint reports filled out
problem 2- you have a newly assigned PAA that is not confident in his/her job, and is not performing well.
directing the spaa to assign an experienced paa to the 124 room to train the rookie paa solves both of the above problems. that is the logic behind the right answer.
Damn- that's the issue I'm running in to with having to protest by mail. You have to rely on your memory of the question and answers, which obviously is incorrect. And then I'm getting bad info from other people.
Did the answer say SPAA or PRAA?
-- Edited by NYPD231 on Thursday 1st of December 2011 12:40:48 AM
I understand the logic behind their answer, I'm just trying to come up with a solid protest.
I agree Tommy. I changed this answer a couple of times but ultimately got it DCAS right. Another reason this was the right answer (I've been told) is that the exam writers wanted to see the actor work with another supervisor (spaa) to solve a problem. Managing civilians can be quite complicated at times.
-- Edited by HB on Thursday 1st of December 2011 01:09:17 AM
Unfortunately, I can't go to the protest, so I have to mail my protests in and wont get to review the exam. I'm going off of what others have told me. I think it said SPAA in the answer, not PRAA.
PRINCIPAL ADMINISTRATIVE ASSOCIATE. She is the civilian boss who is almost on par with the ops coord
PG 202-16
-- Edited by RISING IDIOT on Thursday 1st of December 2011 01:19:06 AM
Did you see that today at the protest? I have to protest by mail so the wording of the question is important. Was it tell the SPAA or the PRAA?
actually the ado does exist in the administrative guide. I checked it today but it doesn't really state their duties. Fight it anyway