What did you protest?
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Just got home from protest session, protested 14 questions-
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Just curious, if some questions are protested more than others!
10 ( Eday giving to williamson but yet his the officer sent to the hospital on question 13)
15( conditions team 2 supervisor question)
40 (vehicle accident on bridge)
47 (dept vehicle accident tested co duties)
52( proper attire tattoo choice is incorrect)
63( pins question)
4- moblization on the in basket involved using a map, could not figure out why D was a better answer than C and there is no one there to discuss this with, you know, the losers that wrote this god awful exam! Weak protest I know, but I looked at everything, each city block was 750 feet, both C and D were close enough to the incident with C being closer and both were a safe distance from a chemical leak dispersed into the air from a truck with it being upwind. I wanted a double answer since C is the most correct in being closer than D.
34- Operation Safe Store- yes, they actually tested this obscure procedure. I could be grasping at straws but I was appealing for a double answer again. They wanted the least correct statement and I believe the correct answer was notify the duty captain as the Patrol Supervisor (looking for bad statement in this one). I chose A, which was PS prepares a typed letterhead and give a copy to OMAP. Now in 212 IO with Operation Safe Store, they got me since A would be a good statement making it a wrong answer, but I protested the fact that they never locked you into 212 IO Operation Safe Store and there is a conflict with 212-9 Unusual Occurence where the DO, not the PS does the 49 and OMAP is not listed as getting a copy anywhere in that procedure. They never lock you into either procedure in 212 and there is a conflict, so thats what I am appealing for, a double answer as A or B.
45- 215 question involving a child removal. They wanted the "least correct" statement. Proposed answer key says A, I say B. A was PO notifies IRT, which has two exceptions which are vague in the body of the question. B has the PO notifying the central registry which is the least correct since the DO is supposed to do it. B is better than A, IMO, but A is the answer? In both statements they have the PO notifying these units/agencies where it should be the DO, choice A has exceptions where a PO could do it though, so no way choice A is better than B. How is one "least correct" to another when both are incorrect for the exact same reason, the DO makes the notifications?
63- everyone and I mean everyone should write this one up. PINS question. They tell you in the body of the story that all 4 choices are PINS cases, so there is no interpretation whatsoever in any of the choices not being under a PINS scenario. All four choices have 16 year old children and they want to know which would NOT get an Arrest Report Supplement. All 4 would get one since there is a statement in the procedure that says all 16 and 17 year old PINS get an ARS which is located in the middle of a list of things involving kids under 16 that is not related. The exam writers read the procedure wrong and wrote a factually wrong question with 4 choices that don't fit.
64- Missing person question. They said the correct answer was A which had a Sgt So and So telling his PO's that a roommate cannot file a missing report. In the missing procedure it has a list of 4 that can file the report, member of the family, guardian, school administrator, etc. I am submitting that "member of the family" is not defined in missings, but in family offenses it is spelled out in a bit more detail. According to the newly revised family court act, an "intimate relationship" would include just about anyone living together in a family like relationship, or share expenses, or spend time together, and do not have to have any sexual relationship? Would a roommate not fir into a "member of the family" then? Also the answer I picked "C" was that the DO will check precinct records and notifiy PDU. The DO would do those things and based on the fact pattern they do not designate the DO Pct of occurrence and DO Pct of residence as two different actors, so that one DO could do both in that fact pattern, so it is a correct statement. I want a double answer A or C, since both go for vagueness and neither are factually wrong, but can be interpreted.
89- E day question for sick kid. Right answer was give the eday, but there is a finest message saying its prohibited for the next 6 tours, no excusals. I chose and appealed to inquiring if the officer could call another family member to care for the child. In that choice you neither approve or deny the eday, you are looking to solve the problem. I also submitted a copy of 203-3 compliance with orders with my protest in the granting the eday is wrong based on procedure. I picked B, proposed answer key is C. I want a double answer.
100- the one with a project from the mayor's office that was "due yesterday" and involves "sensitive information". The correct choice was to authorize OT for your subordinates which based on 205-17 overtime, no one below the ranks of PC, 1st Dep, or COD has the authority to do. I submitted a copy of the procedure with my written protest. Throwout since the correct answer is blatantly a violation of PG rules.
So a quick breakdown, I want 6 doubles and 1 throwout. Good luck everyone...
No need to make copies of PG. Just bring it with you so you can reference it on your protest sheet.
#2 - Lt for SOL. answer they gave was previously SOL at same command - it would have a negative impact upon the motivation of subordinates - double answer
#29 - accident victim with broken hand - answer 'forces' victim to make a complaint report at pct of occ, PG is not clear on whether vic is referred to pct of occurrence even if reporting date does not fall within the specified time when a PAR can be done. double answer
#40 - vehicle accident on bridge - throw away - question does not state that the placard was not displayed. the fact that the vehicle has a placard implies that it was been displayed.
#47 - dept veh accident - tested CO's duties throw away
#63 - PINS - throw away
#64 - Missing - no correct answer - throw away
#93 - same penalty for same offense but different individuals with hughly different work performance and histories of violations - double answer
#100 - "giving overtime" if necessary without proper authorization = serious misconduct - double answer
How did you protest question #93?
so does this mean you can protest at the site and then also go home and send in a better argument if you come up with one later on- and they'll take both arguments into consideration? or do they null one of your arguments based on the fact that you already submitted the other?
Question 13 is most likely a throwout or double. It had PO Williamson as the relief at the hospital. The proposed Key had Williamson as the correct answer for an Eday in question 10. The heading for the start of the test says to answer questions 1-17 IN ORDER, therefore making Williamson no longer an option for the Hospital Post because you gave him Eday in question #10. One of the other cops was limited leaving you with 2 po's both with traffic court as your options. Of those 2 POs, 1 was supposed to be in a sector with Williamson prior to the Eday being granted. I don't see how they can say either of the 2 cops at AAB are not the correct choice. My guess is Throwout because they can't take Williamson off the proposed key as correct and it isn't possible he is the correct answer as stated in proposed key.
Question 47: Dept vehicle accident. They asked for Patrol Sup duties. 3 of the choices had some sort of finding of fault or recommending of training. The last choice was no fault and no further action. I argued it as Captain or above duties outside scope of the position we were testing for.
Question 52 was Tattoo Guy vs. Hair Clip Girl. Should be double answer. The other 2 po's were clearly out of uniform.
Question 71 was the Math question about the most productive squad. The argument I made was based on the dictionary definition of Productive vs. the dictionary definition of Productivity. Productive in the dictionary mentions nothing about efficiency, Productivity does which is clearly what the test writers had in mind when including the amount of cops per squad and tours on patrol. I made the argument they only asked for most productive which would be the squad that produced the most.
Question 89 was the EDay question. Made the argument that by asking if the officer requesting had family to take sick kid to the hospital was not denying him the day but rather trying to problem solve between finding the solution to not disregarding the finest msg saying no excusals and getting the kid medical treatment. I also went on to say if the PO was unable to find family to take kid the EDay could have been given, essentially going through a process before just giving the shop away and granting days off. This argument could be made for any of the choices such as had you consulted the next platoon boss or asked other boss for advice etc. Hard question to argue as were most of the opinion questions.
Question 57 or 61 was the duties of the ICO in regards to AAB appearances. The question asked "all of the following MAY be duties of the ICO except....." I made the argument that the answer choices were not MAY be duties, but rather MUST be duties except of course the one they had as originally the exception. Grasping at straws I know, but worth a shot. Not sure what number it was either 57 or 61. When I remember I will post. And will Post the other I protested if it comes back to me.
The 311 question may be protestable on the grounds that the Garbage piling up in front of the elderly ladies house is a safety concern and maybe not just a referral to 311. I didn't protest it due to time constraints. Think it was #23 or #25. Other protests made at the session that I am aware of were PINS, Aided at nursing home, Voucher, and a few others that are slipping my mind. Not sure how strong the arguments were, but there were some sharp people in there who actually passed this mess making the case for a lot of these questions. Sorry for the misspellings and terrible grammar.
I haven't gone to the protest yet but I agree with your answer on this one and I will join you in this protest. The D.O. ntfs the central registry and makes a telephone record if they refuse the case. So, B (having the P.O. do a DO duty) is definitely a bad answer (which they were looking for). Should be at least a double
thanks i needed that. all my projected protests are being shot down~
How did I get # 61 wrong ? I chose C and I just knew I had that one in the bag. I thought that was one of the easy one's but once again there was a loop hole.
-- Edited by oneadditional on Thursday 1st of December 2011 01:48:17 AM
same here.
23: Removing guns from crazy sgt - ranking officer is a Capt +, not a Lt.
26: Aided - no ACR# to put in your book, but this one is a long shot
40: Hoping for a double-answer for truck accident
45: Abused kid - it's not the cops job to notify SCR
52: Tattoo boy
58: Pregnancy question - double answer... the line that a pregnant UMOS doesn't have to wear uniform before the 20th week is found nowhere in the procedure, so that should be a correct anser
you wouldn't happen to remember what the choices were for any of these, would you?
question 23 is hard to fight b/c the wording in the patrol guide is capt or above, district surgeon, or other competent authority. The PG doesn't define competent authority, making it possible for Lt to remove guns, so the tricky test writers sand-bagged us with that one.
question 45 is also hard to argue once you actually look at the question and answer choices and compare to the PG procedure. We tried today to argue it and it is a very long shot.
Not trying to get anyone down, but alot of these questions are difficult to prove as wrong or doubles.
Note after step 4:
QOL calls received at the TS will be recorded in the Tel.Dispatch Log and the DO will assign an available unit to respond. IN ADDITION, the caller will be advised to call 311 directly to report any future QOL complaints.
If a call is received at the TS which requires a referral to another city agency, the caller will be directed to call 311 immediately.
Does anyone remember the stem of the question and/or what number that was??
I dont remember a damn thing about the test, so i really have no biz asking a question. But regarding the e day, where was it stated that "No e days for the next 6 tours?
If this finest message, stating "No e days for the next 6 tours" was from the inbasket segment, I dont think it affects question number 80 something, ?
But I got a 54, so no one should be listening to me anyway. I am just curious.........
Wierd case of The Job having a human answer, because, in "real life", "my kid is sick" are the magic words!
Question 13 had no answer if you answered question 10 right.
I agree question 23 is borderline but it's obvious the PG writers didn't intend for the procedure to be followed by anyone below Capt. They probably meant "other competent authority" to be a psychologist. DCAS will throw the question out if they need to I suppose.
Question 45 is very easy to argue, it's in black-and-white that the DESK notifies SCR, not the cop.
-- Edited by unborn on Thursday 1st of December 2011 11:05:02 AM
-- Edited by unborn on Thursday 1st of December 2011 11:05:17 AM
Someone brought up in the protest session about question 20. The question stated: according to Patrol GUide Procedure 207-52 "Complaints Involving Cellular Telephones"
There is no Patrol Guide Procedure 207-52
Protest the question because it references a proceudre that does not exist.
"Complaints Involving Cellular Telephones" is an interim order 207 series #52 of 2009
I will mail that one in if I got it wrong.
Nice!! Good looking! I will protest this tomorrow.
Ranking officer is not Captain or above. It is whomever is the highest rank present at the time.
We still may not get this point b/c technically (since they defined ranking officer for this particular procedure) a Lt could also be a competent authority. Trust me, I'm protesting this too, as I also picked a different choice. The question was just fuuucked up all around!