Does any one remember the question about you suspecting mos using illegal drugs and then a cap for the hyperdermic needle falls out? I don't remember the answer choices. anyone remember them? was it one of the challengeable questions?
-- Edited by NYG37 on Friday 25th of November 2011 10:24:49 PM
-- Edited by NYG37 on Friday 25th of November 2011 11:46:11 PM
-- Edited by NYG37 on Saturday 26th of November 2011 02:25:19 AM
NeedOutOfNarcotics said
Nov 25, 2011
I protest that the MOS is potentially a diabetic and I would be violating OEEO policy if I discriminated against him due to his illness! LOL, just kidding guys, had to, just to "laugh to stop from cryin"
NYG37 said
Nov 25, 2011
I think that question could be protested. I don't know if i got it right or wrong, don't know the number. I wish i would have remember the choices.
HB said
Nov 25, 2011
I think the answer was notify the C.O.
okeedokee said
Nov 25, 2011
NYG37 wrote:
I think that question could be protested. I don't know if i got it right or wrong, don't know the number. I wish i would have remember the choices.
Yeah, I guess. Step #1 in the procedure is notify co & having the evidence vouchered is in add. data (which doesn't really stipulate when it occurs). And realistically, are you going to go notify the CO as drug paraphenalia sits on the ground in front of ya?
NYG37 said
Nov 25, 2011
I believe i chose to voucher it.
RISING IDIOT said
Nov 25, 2011
Call the duty Capt
Mel said
Nov 26, 2011
it was #50
NYG37 said
Nov 26, 2011
Thanks, yea i have it wrong , Did that question ask what do you do as the first step ? I'm not trying to grab for straws, but it could possibly be a double answer. It depends how the questions was asked. I believe one of the answers was to voucher the evidence. In P.G it states an investigating supervisor finding controlled substances/contraband , such as drugs or instrument used to ad minter drugs(needs,etc) on or in the vicinity will have such items invoiced on PCI. Anyone remember what the question was looking for and how it was phrased ? Thanks.
HabidasheryAuto said
Nov 26, 2011
They were so grimey on this test, they didnt even give you the full hypo, they said hypo cap. I mean C'MON!!! i chose A for 50. I have it right. I know I didnt voucher it. I believe I told the CO or duty capt.
NYG37 said
Nov 26, 2011
I don't disagree, its one of the steps for you to take. It's not the only one though. You still have to voucher the evidence. I don't know how i missed that one, but it seems it could be challenged, unless there's more to it.
NYPD231 said
Nov 26, 2011
I do remember the wording on this one because I got it wrong and was going to protest it. The two choices I was wrestling with were 1) immediately notify the CO or 2) immediately voucher the property.
The PG states to notify the CO immediately. The additional data states to voucher the property, but it does not state to do it immediately.
Pretty cheap.
HabidasheryAuto said
Nov 26, 2011
can you really consider a hypo cap contraband evidence? I know of diabetics on this job who carry insulin shots. I do agree this question was one of many really really cheap shot questions.
-- Edited by HabidasheryAuto on Saturday 26th of November 2011 02:17:53 AM
NYG37 said
Nov 26, 2011
Do you remember how the question was phrased though ? If it asked what to do first then there's no argument and we lost the point. If however they asked what's the most correct answer, then there's more then one correct choice.
NYG37 said
Nov 26, 2011
Yes, you can because if you read the paragraph in that procedure it lists(hypodermic needle, etc,.) , the whole thing it comes down to now is how the question was worded.
NYPD231 said
Nov 26, 2011
Yeah, I think it was "what is the next thing he should do" or "what is the first thing he should do"
NYG37 said
Nov 26, 2011
We'll have to wait till the protest day to find out for sure how it was worded then, if it stated next thing to do there's a chance it could have a double answer, otherwise its a lost point.
cornhole said
Nov 26, 2011
hypodermic needle appeared nowhere in the fact pattern for Question #50.
The only reference was to the hypodermic cap that fell onto the floor. Just the cap being considered "contraband" is definitely worthy of a protest.
NextLtTest said
Nov 26, 2011
cornhole wrote:
hypodermic needle appeared nowhere in the fact pattern for Question #50.
The only reference was to the hypodermic cap that fell onto the floor. Just the cap being considered "contraband" is definitely worthy of a protest.
What if the answer was to call the duty Capt/CO? Then the cap is irrelevant.
Edubz said
Nov 26, 2011
it also stated that the CO was in conversation with the immediate supervisor of the UMOS in question when you as the Lt approached, so u can argue that the CO was notified since he was present when this conversation occurred. I went with the voucher. It very well may be a double.
oneadditional said
Nov 26, 2011
Well look at the judgement question when they told you why the sergeant did not get that slot so you knew why he didn't get the detail but apparently they answer was still go find out why did not get the detail.
NeedOutOfNarcotics said
Nov 26, 2011
Is a cap really the same as a hypodermic needle, though?
NeedOutOfNarcotics said
Nov 26, 2011
and if a hypo cap is not the same as a hypo needle, is it really contraband? Therefore, it should not be vouchered, unless the PG is saying to voucher anything a cop drops.
"Ooh, PO Smith just dropped a key, and a key can potentially be used to snort cocaine- Voucher it and notify the CO, quick!"
SGT1701 said
Nov 26, 2011
Another poorly written question. This is why:
205-30, step #1: Immediately notify commanding officer/duty captain or Internal Affairs Bureau Command Center. (option). Selection states Notify CO/DC (half-right). So I guess the next time around we should all study to look for the answers that are half-right then.
Edubz said
Nov 26, 2011
correct, 1701.
"An investigating supervisor finding controlled substances contraband, i.e., drugs or instruments used to administer drugs, e.g., hypodermic syringes/needles, crack pipes, etc., on or in the vicinity of a suspected member of the service (uniformed or civilian) will have such items invoiced on PROPERTY CLERKS INVOICE (PD521-141) as investigatory evidence.."
Etc leaves the window open for other related items such as needle caps
Inspector71 said
Nov 26, 2011
One answer was to prepare a supervisor's fitness for duty report
One answer was to notify the Duty Captain (which is an always)
One answer was to voucher the cap
and I can't remember the last answer
RISING IDIOT said
Nov 26, 2011
First immediate step is notify co/duty. I believe the question asked what is your 1st step
NeedOutOfNarcotics said
Nov 27, 2011
That damn "etc.", edubz, gets me every time! LOL
Edubz said
Nov 27, 2011
we will see on thursday when we have the test booklet once again. i don't recall it asking for the first step, but then again, it has been 4 weeks since we last viewed it
PatrolGuideismyBible said
Nov 27, 2011
RISING IDIOT wrote:
First immediate step is notify co/duty. I believe the question asked what is your 1st step
It may have in so many words or "most correct". But the invoicing of the hypo cap would fall into the addtional data when it refers to another procedure from 218 and does not follow a sequential order with the rest of the procedure, so its a real cheap shot and I think could be protestable.
The only way they can defend it from a double answer is if they say you as a supervisor are not mentioned as an invoicing officer.
NYG37 said
Nov 27, 2011
I don't think it has an actor. Again depends on the wording could be profitable
NYG37 said
Nov 30, 2011
We are not gonna be able to have a double answer for this question. as the choice I picked stated you have to immediately voucher the cap. in additional data it just says to voucher. Not profitable.
Edubz said
Nov 30, 2011
so the cap is vouchered but in the stem of the question it asks what you do immediately?
wereinbacklog said
Nov 30, 2011
Edubz wrote:
so the cap is vouchered but in the stem of the question it asks what you do immediately?
It stated what is the most correct action. However the answer choice for vouchering the cap states to do so immediately but the word "immediately" is not included in the PG note. Cheap shot for sure.
NYG37 said
Nov 30, 2011
No it asks for the best answer. so the best answer is to notify immediately co. One of the answers was to immediately voucher the cap. additional data states to voucher does not mention word immediately.
Does any one remember the question about you suspecting mos using illegal drugs and then a cap for the hyperdermic needle falls out? I don't remember the answer choices. anyone remember them? was it one of the challengeable questions?
-- Edited by NYG37 on Friday 25th of November 2011 10:24:49 PM
-- Edited by NYG37 on Friday 25th of November 2011 11:46:11 PM
-- Edited by NYG37 on Saturday 26th of November 2011 02:25:19 AM
LOL, just kidding guys, had to, just to "laugh to stop from cryin"
Yeah, I guess. Step #1 in the procedure is notify co & having the evidence vouchered is in add. data (which doesn't really stipulate when it occurs). And realistically, are you going to go notify the CO as drug paraphenalia sits on the ground in front of ya?
it was #50
They were so grimey on this test, they didnt even give you the full hypo, they said hypo cap. I mean C'MON!!! i chose A for 50. I have it right. I know I didnt voucher it. I believe I told the CO or duty capt.
The PG states to notify the CO immediately. The additional data states to voucher the property, but it does not state to do it immediately.
Pretty cheap.
can you really consider a hypo cap contraband evidence? I know of diabetics on this job who carry insulin shots. I do agree this question was one of many really really cheap shot questions.
-- Edited by HabidasheryAuto on Saturday 26th of November 2011 02:17:53 AM
hypodermic needle appeared nowhere in the fact pattern for Question #50.
The only reference was to the hypodermic cap that fell onto the floor.
Just the cap being considered "contraband" is definitely worthy of a protest.
What if the answer was to call the duty Capt/CO? Then the cap is irrelevant.
Is a cap really the same as a hypodermic needle, though?
"Ooh, PO Smith just dropped a key, and a key can potentially be used to snort cocaine- Voucher it and notify the CO, quick!"
"An investigating supervisor finding controlled substances contraband, i.e., drugs or
instruments used to administer drugs, e.g., hypodermic syringes/needles, crack pipes,
etc., on or in the vicinity of a suspected member of the service (uniformed or civilian)
will have such items invoiced on PROPERTY CLERKS INVOICE (PD521-141) as
investigatory evidence.."
Etc leaves the window open for other related items such as needle caps
One answer was to prepare a supervisor's fitness for duty report
One answer was to notify the Duty Captain (which is an always)
One answer was to voucher the cap
and I can't remember the last answer
It may have in so many words or "most correct". But the invoicing of the hypo cap would fall into the addtional data when it refers to another procedure from 218 and does not follow a sequential order with the rest of the procedure, so its a real cheap shot and I think could be protestable.
The only way they can defend it from a double answer is if they say you as a supervisor are not mentioned as an invoicing officer.
It stated what is the most correct action. However the answer choice for vouchering the cap states to do so immediately but the word "immediately" is not included in the PG note. Cheap shot for sure.