I guarantee i win this one, you are not understanding what i am protesting, the word Southern was written correctly yes, if you look it up it states Southern Winds mean coming from the south, this will blow the yellow smoke from the explosion north and into the park, if DCAS doesnt throw this out than i am gonna retire due to possible future health concerns that we can have a mobiliazation in an area where yellow smoke from an explosion with 35mph winds will be inhaled in our lungs.This is not a double answer this is a must throw out question. No One Gets It !!!!
skiguy37 said
Nov 18, 2011
OK, retire then. No one on here cares.
gotabimer said
Nov 18, 2011
marco what is wrong with you i think you need to talk to papa cope
nycn8tive said
Nov 18, 2011
marc0
You really need to see a psych....how many times are you going to protest that question on multiple threads, Really? You need to go protest it the way you are doing it in all these forums to DCAS and be done with it! Talk about Desperate!!!
bigfoot45 said
Nov 18, 2011
MARRRRCCOOOOO
POLLLOOOOOOOOO
MARCOOOOOOOOOOO
Marco thinking to himself (HMMMM... sounds like my name is being called from the north... but wait if must have originated from the south. Must be coming from the stadium... but wait the stadium is circular which would force all sound to go straight up since the retractable roof is open. That means since today is windy, and since the wind is SOUTHERLY, meaning it originated form the north, that the person calling my name must be coming from the West. AHA...
AT that point MARCO turned around and saw Large Marge
gotabimer said
Nov 18, 2011
lmfao
-- Edited by gotabimer on Sunday 20th of November 2011 08:54:41 PM
nycn8tive said
Nov 18, 2011
LMAO.....keep them coming!!!
Su Madre 24 said
Nov 18, 2011
Marco wasn't a troublemaker on this site but he's def gone off the deep end
Oso60 said
Nov 18, 2011
Marco did u actually go to the protest or are you making everyones eyes bleed for no reason. If u feel u have a valid point then u should have went to the protest
Devil Dog said
Nov 18, 2011
Your right Marc we don't get it.
MamaBear said
Nov 18, 2011
Marco ACTUALLY sent me a MESSAGE about this southerly winds question!? WTF, telling me he's gonna win this, I never said anything to him about this...
OkeeDokee said
Nov 18, 2011
Marco, can you explain your point again? I don't get it. A southern wind goes toward the south in a southerly direction, right? Please elaborate.
RMP6969 said
Nov 19, 2011
No Marco we get it. You failed. Try harder next time bud.....
10-10 VisciousRacoon said
Nov 20, 2011
Marco,
You can win this protest on two key points.
First, when the test writers stated "the distance between any two blocks is 500 feet" they failed to explain from what point on the block. For instance, is just across the street 500 feet? Is it midblock to midblock, near corner to far corner? Its not clear and THEY DID NOT INCLUDE A MAP SCALE on the map which is critical in determining distance. Therefore, since a full block separated the explosion from the stadium lot, crossing 2 steets should equal 1000 feet.
Second, you are right on the wind, but the problem you have is that the patol guide in the HazMat procedure states the set up upwind, IF POSSIBLE. To win your point on the wind, you have to prove that not only was the wind blowing from the south, but that it WAS POSSIBLE to set up at the Stadium parking lot. To do that you have on your side the fact that the test writers never said or implied that the LOT did not have space for the mobilization. Just because the concert at the stadium was full does not automatically translate to the lot not having room. Even if that is what the test writers meant, they did not make a statement in the test to make that clear. You can beat them on that.
Basically, hit DCAS on the above two points and you can most likely have this question turned to a double answer for A and D.
gotabimer said
Nov 20, 2011
Good luck 10-10 dont pay no mind to the negativity i think you have a chance brother
Su Madre 24 said
Nov 20, 2011
Listen Timer if he wins that protest god bless him. Im always rooting for a cop to make it PLUS i got them wrong as I put A for both questions so I would benefit
bigfoot45 said
Nov 20, 2011
I picked the stadium because it was the only location that was two blocks from the hazmat, making it 1,000 feet away. I thought that was what they were looking for so I didnt bother to check if an event was going on there. Those were the only 2 I got wrong on the inbasket. If someone on here types up a protest and posts it, I'll mail one in too. I'll just basically rewrite it.
Scammer Auto 63 at base said
Nov 21, 2011
The City of New York Department of Citywide Administrative Services proposed answer key for PROMOTION TO SERGEANT (POLICE) Exam No. 1533 records choice "d" as a correct answer for question number 16.
Several crucial facts indicate that choice "a" is the most correct answer, and is as good as or better than the proposed key answer choice "d".
The question asks the reader to locate the appropriate mobilization point for an explosion that has occurred at a clinic where there is an orange smoke coming from the clinic. This orange smoke would indicate a hazardous material that is airborne and can be blown by the wind. Patrol Guide 212-37 (Hazardous Materials) states to establish frozen zones for 2-c. Explosion or fire: (1) Outdoors - at least 1000 feet in radius from explosive indicating that the mobilization point must be at least 1000 feet from the clinic. It further states to 18-b-(1) Choose area on high ground and/or upwind of hazardous material, if possible, to avoid contamination. Patrol Guide 213-02 (Emergency Incidents) then states that NOTE: Mobilization point should be of sufficient size to accommodate a Level 3 or 4 mobilization.
This leads the reader to look for 3 criteria in choosing a mobilization point: 1) that it is at least 1000 feet away from the clinic, 2) can accommodate a Level 3 or 4 mobilization and 3), if possible, be located upwind.
For the 1000 feet minimum distance, the information for the map stated the distance between any two blocks is 500 feet. There were no scales on the map. This is very ambiguous and begs the question; is the distance measured from the same point on the two blocks? Could just going from one corner across the street to the other corner be 500 feet? Since there was one full block between the clinic and the stadium parking lot, then based on the given statement crossing 2 streets that separates 3 blocks (clinic, stadium parking lot, and the block between them) would meet the minimum distance of 1000 feet.
For the ability of the mobilization point to be able to accommodate a Level 3 or 4 mobilization, several material in the in-basket indicated there was a sold-out concert at the stadium that was over capacity. What was not mentioned was the size/capacity of the parking lot nor was mentioned how much of the parking lot was used/not available when determining if it could be used for a mobilization point. This can lead one to believe that perhaps the parking lot could have been very large and still have ample space even with an over-capacity event. The information given was not specific enough about the space available in the stadium parking lot. Therefore, the stadium parking lot must be assumed to be able to accommodate a Level 3 or 4 mobilization.
Finally, as for locating the mobilization point upwind, if possible, the introduction to the in-basket stated that winds were southern at 35 MPH. According to Webster Dictionary, both southern and southerly mean coming from the south <a southern breeze> meaning the wind blows from south to north. Since the stadium was south of the clinic and the wind is blowing north, then the stadium is upwind of the explosion and smoke.
In summation, choice "d", the park, may be over 1000 feet away and capable of accommodating a Level 3 or 4 mobilization, but it is downwind of an airborne hazardous material and IT WAS POSSIBLE to mobilize at the stadium parking lot. Choice "a" on the other hand, is a correct statement due to the fact that it meets all the criteria for a mobilization point: it is upwind, at least 1000 feet away, and is apparently able to accommodate a Level 3 or 4 mobilization.
Based upon the foregoing facts, choice "a" is noticeably the most correct answer, and as such, should be the key answer for question number 16. It is therefore respectfully requested that the Test Validation Board change the final key answer for question number 16 to read "a".
LiberalismIsAMentalDisorder said
Nov 24, 2011
The point Scammer makes which you are all missing is this: Every one of you who picked the park quickly assume that because there was a concert IN THE STADIUM that was also overflowing meant that the parking lot must have had no room for the mobilization.
Scammer is right when he says that the test writers never told us how big the parking lot was and how much of the space was used or available. Since they were never specific enough, you cannot just make assumptions based on the fact that a concert was going on.
For all we know, the parking lot could have been so big that half of it was empty.
He is right and all of you who don't understand that are tree-hugging libs.
I guarantee i win this one, you are not understanding what i am protesting, the word Southern was written correctly yes, if you look it up it states Southern Winds mean coming from the south, this will blow the yellow smoke from the explosion north and into the park, if DCAS doesnt throw this out than i am gonna retire due to possible future health concerns that we can have a mobiliazation in an area where yellow smoke from an explosion with 35mph winds will be inhaled in our lungs.This is not a double answer this is a must throw out question. No One Gets It !!!!
You really need to see a psych....how many times are you going to protest that question on multiple threads, Really? You need to go protest it the way you are doing it in all these forums to DCAS and be done with it! Talk about Desperate!!!
MARRRRCCOOOOO
POLLLOOOOOOOOO
MARCOOOOOOOOOOO
Marco thinking to himself (HMMMM... sounds like my name is being called from the north... but wait if must have originated from the south. Must be coming from the stadium... but wait the stadium is circular which would force all sound to go straight up since the retractable roof is open. That means since today is windy, and since the wind is SOUTHERLY, meaning it originated form the north, that the person calling my name must be coming from the West. AHA...
AT that point MARCO turned around and saw Large Marge
lmfao
-- Edited by gotabimer on Sunday 20th of November 2011 08:54:41 PM
Please elaborate.
Marco,
You can win this protest on two key points.
First, when the test writers stated "the distance between any two blocks is 500 feet" they failed to explain from what point on the block. For instance, is just across the street 500 feet? Is it midblock to midblock, near corner to far corner? Its not clear and THEY DID NOT INCLUDE A MAP SCALE on the map which is critical in determining distance. Therefore, since a full block separated the explosion from the stadium lot, crossing 2 steets should equal 1000 feet.
Second, you are right on the wind, but the problem you have is that the patol guide in the HazMat procedure states the set up upwind, IF POSSIBLE. To win your point on the wind, you have to prove that not only was the wind blowing from the south, but that it WAS POSSIBLE to set up at the Stadium parking lot. To do that you have on your side the fact that the test writers never said or implied that the LOT did not have space for the mobilization. Just because the concert at the stadium was full does not automatically translate to the lot not having room. Even if that is what the test writers meant, they did not make a statement in the test to make that clear. You can beat them on that.
Basically, hit DCAS on the above two points and you can most likely have this question turned to a double answer for A and D.
I picked the stadium because it was the only location that was two blocks from the hazmat, making it 1,000 feet away. I thought that was what they were looking for so I didnt bother to check if an event was going on there. Those were the only 2 I got wrong on the inbasket. If someone on here types up a protest and posts it, I'll mail one in too. I'll just basically rewrite it.
The City of New York Department of Citywide Administrative Services proposed answer key for PROMOTION TO SERGEANT (POLICE) Exam No. 1533 records choice "d" as a correct answer for question number 16.
Several crucial facts indicate that choice "a" is the most correct answer, and is as good as or better than the proposed key answer choice "d".
The question asks the reader to locate the appropriate mobilization point for an explosion that has occurred at a clinic where there is an orange smoke coming from the clinic. This orange smoke would indicate a hazardous material that is airborne and can be blown by the wind. Patrol Guide 212-37 (Hazardous Materials) states to establish frozen zones for 2-c. Explosion or fire: (1) Outdoors - at least 1000 feet in radius from explosive indicating that the mobilization point must be at least 1000 feet from the clinic. It further states to 18-b-(1) Choose area on high ground and/or upwind of hazardous material, if possible, to avoid contamination. Patrol Guide 213-02 (Emergency Incidents) then states that NOTE: Mobilization point should be of sufficient size to accommodate a Level 3 or 4 mobilization.
This leads the reader to look for 3 criteria in choosing a mobilization point: 1) that it is at least 1000 feet away from the clinic, 2) can accommodate a Level 3 or 4 mobilization and 3), if possible, be located upwind.
For the 1000 feet minimum distance, the information for the map stated the distance between any two blocks is 500 feet. There were no scales on the map. This is very ambiguous and begs the question; is the distance measured from the same point on the two blocks? Could just going from one corner across the street to the other corner be 500 feet? Since there was one full block between the clinic and the stadium parking lot, then based on the given statement crossing 2 streets that separates 3 blocks (clinic, stadium parking lot, and the block between them) would meet the minimum distance of 1000 feet.
For the ability of the mobilization point to be able to accommodate a Level 3 or 4 mobilization, several material in the in-basket indicated there was a sold-out concert at the stadium that was over capacity. What was not mentioned was the size/capacity of the parking lot nor was mentioned how much of the parking lot was used/not available when determining if it could be used for a mobilization point. This can lead one to believe that perhaps the parking lot could have been very large and still have ample space even with an over-capacity event. The information given was not specific enough about the space available in the stadium parking lot. Therefore, the stadium parking lot must be assumed to be able to accommodate a Level 3 or 4 mobilization.
Finally, as for locating the mobilization point upwind, if possible, the introduction to the in-basket stated that winds were southern at 35 MPH. According to Webster Dictionary, both southern and southerly mean coming from the south <a southern breeze> meaning the wind blows from south to north. Since the stadium was south of the clinic and the wind is blowing north, then the stadium is upwind of the explosion and smoke.
In summation, choice "d", the park, may be over 1000 feet away and capable of accommodating a Level 3 or 4 mobilization, but it is downwind of an airborne hazardous material and IT WAS POSSIBLE to mobilize at the stadium parking lot. Choice "a" on the other hand, is a correct statement due to the fact that it meets all the criteria for a mobilization point: it is upwind, at least 1000 feet away, and is apparently able to accommodate a Level 3 or 4 mobilization.
Based upon the foregoing facts, choice "a" is noticeably the most correct answer, and as such, should be the key answer for question number 16. It is therefore respectfully requested that the Test Validation Board change the final key answer for question number 16 to read "a".
Scammer is right when he says that the test writers never told us how big the parking lot was and how much of the space was used or available. Since they were never specific enough, you cannot just make assumptions based on the fact that a concert was going on.
For all we know, the parking lot could have been so big that half of it was empty.
He is right and all of you who don't understand that are tree-hugging libs.